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Dordrecht 07-21-2012 08:47 AM
Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??

Hoovie 07-21-2012 09:33 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1176942)
Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
Ultimately no. But in this life it rains on the just and the unjust. Many many saints of God suffer, untold pain from disease, illness and injuries and go on to die.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 10:20 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Many many saints of God suffer, untold pain from disease, illness and injuries and go on to die.
Why? I always thought satan comes to destroy and kill.

Is it because satan waters down scripture, attacks preachers and infiltrates the church confusing Christians?



My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge....?

bbyrd009 07-21-2012 10:34 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
I wonder the difference of the healing
we read about v the healing we would like;
someone blind or lame from birth,
v seeking a cure for a symptom, cancer say.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 12:54 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Well, I know one girl who was born blind in one eye and she was healed by the Lord through prayer.

Hoovie 07-21-2012 01:27 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1176947)
Why? I always thought satan comes to destroy and kill.

Is it because satan waters down scripture, attacks preachers and infiltrates the church confusing Christians?



My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge....?
No one knows, yet. But it is the reality of our fallen human condition. Denying the truth is not "faith".

I will rest in the eternal confidence and faith I have in Him, knowing this is not my permanent abode nor permanent immortal body.

bbyrd009 07-21-2012 03:07 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1176971)
Well, I know one girl who was born blind in one eye and she was healed by the Lord through prayer.
Ergo, God does not deny anyone healing; however, should one feel compelled to ingest fluoride (all your happy pills contain fluoride), it is prolly pointless to then pray for a clear mind, or "healing" for depression.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 03:12 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
I'm glad you pointed that out!

bbyrd009 07-21-2012 03:43 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Ha, don't get me started.
Like praying for health, and eating from Safeway.
Mutually exclusive.
"My people perish for lack of knowledge,"
which is completely self-inflicted, imo-
-they perish because they do not want to know.

Jermyn Davidson 07-21-2012 05:26 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1176942)
Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
In His Sovereignty, yes.

His Grace was sufficient for St. Paul.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 06:07 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1177037)
In His Sovereignty, yes.

His Grace was sufficient for St. Paul.

Yeh, what about Paul???

Jermyn Davidson 07-21-2012 06:24 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1177045)
Yeh, what about Paul???
God was glorified in Paul's "weakness".

It pleased the Father to bruise, torture, and not deliver His Son. It pleased the Father that the Son die.

We know that the story didn't end there for Jesus just as we know that death is not the end for anyone, saved or unsaved.

Sometimes, Our Father says, "No"-- which would count as a denial.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 06:25 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
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Sometimes, Our Father says, "No"-- which would count as a denial.
Scripture??

ILG 07-21-2012 06:29 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
I think it's pretty obvious that not everybody gets healed. As a matter of fact, it would seem to be the exception.

bbyrd009 07-21-2012 07:40 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Don't have a quote Dordt, but it seems obvious
that if it serves God's purpose better for one not to be healed,
then they are not healed. We pray "Your will be done,"
and although God's ways are mysterious, examples
of suffering producing fruit are not opaque to us.

houston 07-21-2012 08:32 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1177037)
In His Sovereignty, yes.

His Grace was sufficient for St. Paul.
Paul wasn't ill.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 09:27 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Don't have a quote Dordt, but it seems obvious
that if it serves God's purpose better for one not to be healed,
then they are not healed
It seems you are just guessing.
But I'm glad my pastor does not preach what you posted here.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 09:27 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1177080)
Paul wasn't ill.
That's right.

Sam 07-21-2012 09:36 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1177080)
Paul wasn't ill.
we don't really know what Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was.
we are just told that it was "the angel/messenger of satan..." (2 Corinthians 12:7)

The Scofield Bible note about the "thorn" says:
It has been conjectured that Paul's "thorn in the flesh" was chronic ophthalmia, inducing bodily weakness, and a repulsive appearance Galatians 4:15 ; 1 Corinthians 2:3 1 Corinthians 2:4 ; 2 Corinthians 10:10 . This cannot be positively known, and the reserve of Scripture is as sure a mark of inspiration as its revelations. Paul's particular "thorn" is not described that his consolations may avail for all to who any thorn is given.


P.S. Did y'all know the Scofield notes are available online at
http://www.biblestudytools.com/comme...ference-notes/

RandyWayne 07-21-2012 10:03 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Often it is God's will NOT to heal -not because He is being spiteful, but because He has very good reasons for it. Just imagine the world of hurt we would be in if God had listened to His Son's cry to "take this cup from me".

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 10:46 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Paul's Thorn In The Flesh:

Of the jews 5 times I received 40 stripes save one.
3 times was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned,
3 times I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day
I have been in the deep.
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers,
in perils by mine own countrymen,
in perils by the heathen,
in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness,
in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren.

All these difficulties were THE THORN IN PAUL'S FLESH,
and nothing else!

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 10:48 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Often it is God's will NOT to heal -not because He is being spiteful, but because He has very good reasons for it...
Like what or when ??

RandyWayne 07-21-2012 10:51 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1177137)
Like what or when ??
See the 2nd part of my post.

Dordrecht 07-21-2012 10:52 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
What could be a reason?

CC1 07-21-2012 11:13 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1176942)
Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
Yes. A lot of the time.

If God healed everybody all of the time Christians would live forever here on earth in this earthly body.

tv1a 07-22-2012 04:42 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
To be more precise, it was a messenger of Satan who was the thorn in the flesh.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1177135)
Paul's Thorn In The Flesh:

Of the jews 5 times I received 40 stripes save one.
3 times was I beaten with rods, once I was stoned,
3 times I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day
I have been in the deep.
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers,
in perils by mine own countrymen,
in perils by the heathen,
in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness,
in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren.

All these difficulties were THE THORN IN PAUL'S FLESH,
and nothing else!

tv1a 07-22-2012 04:48 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Is God a liar when scripture says I am God who heals ALL disease? The Bible says Jesus healed EVERYONE who came to him. Jesus didn't play the is it God's will game with people for healing. If Jesus healed everyone while he was on earth, and he is the same yesterday, today and forever, than either the Bible is wrong or the theology is wrong.

All the speculation why people doesn't get healed doesn't line up with the Bible. I admit I don't have the answer, but when I study the answers people give for lack of healing versus what the Bible says, human reasoning falls short.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1177119)
Often it is God's will NOT to heal -not because He is being spiteful, but because He has very good reasons for it. Just imagine the world of hurt we would be in if God had listened to His Son's cry to "take this cup from me".

The Matt 07-22-2012 08:41 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1177178)
Is God a liar when scripture says I am God who heals ALL disease? The Bible says Jesus healed EVERYONE who came to him. Jesus didn't play the is it God's will game with people for healing. If Jesus healed everyone while he was on earth, and he is the same yesterday, today and forever, than either the Bible is wrong or the theology is wrong.

All the speculation why people doesn't get healed doesn't line up with the Bible. I admit I don't have the answer, but when I study the answers people give for lack of healing versus what the Bible says, human reasoning falls short.
This is just my theory, don't quote this as doctrine or anything, but I believe the faith men had in the bible days isn't the faith we have today. When people in the bible days saw Jesus, and heard stories about what he was doing, they didn't have television, internet, special effects, all that junk, to give them things to compare with Jesus to make them doubt. They had people, telling them, there was a man that was healing people. And word of mouth was the way to bring about information back then. You only doubted fools. So when someone said the Son of God came back, and is coming toward you, and his healing, they believed, "OH GOD! You're coming to take my misery away! You're coming to make me whole! There was no, "You're coming to save me, but what if it's not true." That's just what I believe. Amount up to a hill of beans?

tv1a 07-22-2012 10:01 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
The two main reasons for lack of healing are ignorance and unbelief.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Matt (Post 1177190)
This is just my theory, don't quote this as doctrine or anything, but I believe the faith men had in the bible days isn't the faith we have today. When people in the bible days saw Jesus, and heard stories about what he was doing, they didn't have television, internet, special effects, all that junk, to give them things to compare with Jesus to make them doubt. They had people, telling them, there was a man that was healing people. And word of mouth was the way to bring about information back then. You only doubted fools. So when someone said the Son of God came back, and is coming toward you, and his healing, they believed, "OH GOD! You're coming to take my misery away! You're coming to make me whole! There was no, "You're coming to save me, but what if it's not true." That's just what I believe. Amount up to a hill of beans?

The Matt 07-22-2012 11:15 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1177195)
The two main reasons for lack of healing are ignorance and unbelief.
Wait...I'm partially insane with lack of sleep....um...did I win? I can has cookie nao? ≧✯◡✯≦

The Matt 07-22-2012 11:17 AM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
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Originally Posted by The Matt (Post 1177202)
Wait...I'm partially insane with lack of sleep....um...did I win? I can has cookie nao? ≧✯◡✯≦
Note to self: Sum up a paragraph someone wrote, with one sentence that gives the gist of what they were saying, You will be seen as intelligent, efficient, and agree with them, without actually having to agree, at the same time.

DULY noted.

RandyWayne 07-22-2012 12:05 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1177147)
Yes. A lot of the time.

If God healed everybody all of the time Christians would live forever here on earth in this earthly body.
Shhhhhh, don't let faulty human reasoning cloud the issue!

RandyWayne 07-22-2012 12:12 PM
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I remember my wife telling me how she went back to school shortly after her mother died of cancer and of the headmasters asking her what sin her mother had in her life that God didn't heal her.

After abruptly telling the headmaster to "Go to hell!" she stormed out. Needlessly her theology degree ended that afternoon. TV, would you have asked her that question?

Jermyn Davidson 07-22-2012 01:24 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1177195)
The two main reasons for lack of healing are ignorance and unbelief.
What are the other ancillary reasons?

AreYouReady? 07-22-2012 02:26 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Yeah...I remember reading where Job's friends all blamed him when his life fell apart.

RandyWayne 07-22-2012 02:57 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1177242)
Yeah...I remember reading where Job's friends all blamed him when his life fell apart.
Ya, there is that as well.

ILG 07-22-2012 07:16 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1177242)
Yeah...I remember reading where Job's friends all blamed him when his life fell apart.
People like to think they are in control. If they are at fault, they can also fix it.

Hoovie 07-22-2012 07:42 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1177321)
People like to think they are in control. If they are at fault, they can also fix it.
A VERY good point!

tv1a 07-23-2012 10:02 PM
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Your wife handled that situation with a lot more class than I would have. I'm sorry she had to go through that.

Jesus didn't put any requirement on healing. The Bible says Jesus healed everyone who asked. Even when He played hard to get, the gentile woman's belief the crumbs were enough to heal her daughter. Jesus was so amazed at the woman's faith, he healed her daughter.

Jesus did not attribute sickness to sin in a person's life. Jesus did not withhold healing from someone because of sin. That wasn't his character. He told a few people there sins were forgiven. The reason Jesus did that was because he wanted the religious people to know who He was. Christ has the power to forgive sin AND to heal.

What I've done with every excuse why Jesus doesn't heal is to line it up with the Bible and see how it matches up with the character of Christ. Every reason I've heard or read contradicts the character of Christ. If everyone is honest with themselves, they can only speculate why healing doesn't always happen.

These are the facts I live on.
The Bible is true.
If I what I believe doesn't line up with the Bible, I line up with the Bible.
The Bible says God heals all diseases. The Bible says with His stripes we are healed. The Bible says multitudes came to Jesus and He healed them all. The Bible says God doesn't play favorites. The Bibles shows us Jesus commanded his followers to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out devils. I have to conclude that God will come through on His Word.

Unfortunately OP's don't have a great track record in the signs, wonders, and miracles department. It's a ........ shoot with OP's. There are people who left a blazing trail of healings all over the world. Smith Wigglesworth, John G Lake are a couple that come to mind. Lake had over 500,000 document cases of healing. He opened up healing rooms on the west coast which are still being used today. The city Lake ministered healings in was identified as the healthiest city in the United States at one time. There are catholic mystics who God gave supernatural power to heal people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1177217)
I remember my wife telling me how she went back to school shortly after her mother died of cancer and of the headmasters asking her what sin her mother had in her life that God didn't heal her.

After abruptly telling the headmaster to "Go to hell!" she stormed out. Needlessly her theology degree ended that afternoon. TV, would you have asked her that question?

Dordrecht 07-23-2012 10:09 PM
Re: Does the Lord deny anybody being healed??
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1177638)
Your wife handled that situation with a lot more class than I would have. I'm sorry she had to go through that.

Jesus didn't put any requirement on healing. The Bible says Jesus healed everyone who asked. Even when He played hard to get, the gentile woman's belief the crumbs were enough to heal her daughter. Jesus was so amazed at the woman's faith, he healed her daughter.

Jesus did not attribute sickness to sin in a person's life. Jesus did not withhold healing from someone because of sin. That wasn't his character. He told a few people there sins were forgiven. The reason Jesus did that was because he wanted the religious people to know who He was. Christ has the power to forgive sin AND to heal.

What I've done with every excuse why Jesus doesn't heal is to line it up with the Bible and see how it matches up with the character of Christ. Every reason I've heard or read contradicts the character of Christ. If everyone is honest with themselves, they can only speculate why healing doesn't always happen.

These are the facts I live on.
The Bible is true.
If I what I believe doesn't line up with the Bible, I line up with the Bible.
The Bible says God heals all diseases. The Bible says with His stripes we are healed. The Bible says multitudes came to Jesus and He healed them all. The Bible says God doesn't play favorites. The Bibles shows us Jesus commanded his followers to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out devils. I have to conclude that God will come through on His Word.

Unfortunately OP's don't have a great track record in the signs, wonders, and miracles department. It's a ........ shoot with OP's. There are people who left a blazing trail of healings all over the world. Smith Wigglesworth, John G Lake are a couple that come to mind. Lake had over 500,000 document cases of healing. He opened up healing rooms on the west coast which are still being used today. The city Lake ministered healings in was identified as the healthiest city in the United States at one time. There are catholic mystics who God gave supernatural power to heal people.

I haven't found a Bible answer why everyone isn't healed. Every answer I attempted from logic and reasoning doesn't line up with the Biblical concept of Christ.
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