Christians and Muslims Unite against porn
 

Conservative Christians and Muslims differ theologically, but with regards to sexual morality they share a common concern: Pornography.


In a jointly-authored letterhttp://global.fncstatic.com/static/v...ernal-link.png, Christian and Muslim scholars are calling on the CEOs of Hilton, Hyatt, Marriott, Choice and Starwood hotels, urging a ban on adult entertainment in rooms... as "...a commitment to human dignity and the common good."

This should be an interesting thread.

I say kudos to this effort.

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why do fundamentalists want to get into people's bedrooms mind your own business pedophiles and perverts.

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Christians should not work together with the devil against evil!:foottap

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What a stupid response.

They are telling organizations to quit selling the stuff, they are not going through your personal porn stash Deminted Mind.

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a double play!

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So Christians should be FOR porn than?

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Lulz

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sorry to interupt your viewing pleasures perv lover

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apparently the koran doesnt have anything written about beastiality though since that was rampant in night vids taken, while my son was over there.

Lulz

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I'm all for liberty. Hotels provide this form of entertainment because people want it. Should I urge the CEO of a book store chain not to sell adult books and magazines simply because it offends my sensibilities??? Why not just... choose not to buy the stuff? No one forces the materials on anyone that I am aware of.

I'm also leery of the Islamic motive here. You see... Islam is becoming a growing force in the United States. Soon Muslims will begin forming larger and larger political action committies. We've seen how foregin countries in Europe have faced these bodies and began incorporating Islamic law in their legal codes to satisfy the Islamic citizens. I've often warned that if we tear down the walls dividing church and state... the Muslims are waiting in the shadows to let their voice be heard. For this reason, I've become a STRONG supporter of the separation of church and state. Don't get too cozy with Muslims. Not all of them are as pure in their motive as we think. If this "friendship" becomes comfortable it will extend into the political realm and we might see religious law becoming more and more prevalent in America.

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If the separation of church and state fails, then the muslims managed to do something that the Christian church could not. How well does that speak for Christians?

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For the record, I am not against the political unity for the "common good".

I am against the intrusion of privacy.

Let freedom ring!


Legislating righteousness will only lead to a godless society. Compare Europe's history with Europe's present and you will see what I mean.

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First, we legislate morality all the time. Don't kill, don't steal, etc. that stupid catch phrase from the left is worn out and makes no sense at all.

Second, and most importantly this isn't legislation, this is pressuring businesses not to make it available in their place of business.

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I thought about that admittedly overused and "stupid catch phrase" after I typed it, but I don't know how else to express that I want LIMITED government intrusion and limited government mandates on moral matters.

I didn't read carefully enough and I am glad it's not the government pressuring for this.

The fact that private citizens have united for this cause is encouraging. The fact that private businesses have the choice to give in or stand their ground is encouraging.

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Mohammed married 12 times (including his adopted son's wife, Zainab) who is claimed to be a child
(Considered as incest in Arabia but a special case for the prophet, see Surah 33: 37-39).

And Christians are suppose to be working with these people to make a stand against porn? That's a joke!

Jesus: "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth."
He was talking about the ones that deny Him as Saviour.

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Reliably ignorant, at least. Hopefully you get that I
am not attempting to change your mind,
but refute your inbred, antichristian rhetoric,
as I fear that it is a commonly held misconception.

Your words might be true, strictly speaking,
but this reps most Muslims like the Pope
granting indulgences reps most Christians.

And all "separation of church and state"
is going to get you, people, is what you have
right now;
http://i.imgur.com/DW7Z1.jpg
Christians divided by a (Rep/Dem) wall,
satan in charge, and his influence leaking from
every pore; and Dordt's confidently clueless posts,
where Muslims are concerned, anyway.

Although I will say that I am confident that the horrors
you all predict will come to pass; which will, of course,
be "blamed" on Muslims, instead of the humongous vacuum
created by "Christians" who worship at the altar of Politics.

Frankly, I think America will be a much better place then.
We obviously have no clue what "Iron Scepter" means right now...

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Or possibly the Crusades might rep you better than the Pope...

"Those who say religion has nothing to do with politics do not know what religion means."
Mahatma Gandhi

Ignore Ghandi at your peril. This guy completely
changed the plight of the poor in his country,
using Christ's model.

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I still appreciate your posts, Dordt-
-you make the Light shine brighter.

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Never read the bible? David the adulterer?
His adopted son's wife is not a blood relative. That's not incest.

It was very common for girls to marry very very young in those days even in Israel

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I'd expect the Muslims to succeed. Politics and Islam are both of this world. Christianity is not. It would only demonstrate that we had been off focus.

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You're right. However, I believe when legislating morality the GOVERNMENT should only address those issues that endanger the life, liberty, or property of another. For example, governments role isn't to ban women's pants. In keeping with this there are certain rights... such as free speech, press, privacy, etc.

True. But it's like "mob rule". We don't like it when the church, as a private entity, is challenged by a mob to embrace or do something we disagree with, for example gay marriage. Yet these Christians are teaming up with Muslims to tell another private entity how to run their business. I think it makes it sound like unless the hotels ban this stuff in their business the poor Christians and Muslims are just too weak to resist. lol Why don't they just NOT purchase adult entertainment? This is supposed to be a free country. If I don't want adult entertainment, I don't have to buy it. If I want adult entertainment, I have the right to buy it.

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Western civilization had a state church for over a thousand years and it went very very badly. Ask the over 85 million people who were executed for various offenses against the church during that period. Offenses ranged from private sexual behaviors between adults to blasphemy, sedition, and heresy.

Frankly, I look down through history and find the separation of church and state a beautiful thing. State power has ALWAYS corrupted the church. I can't find an instance when it didn't.

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You don't have to visit a church you don't like and certainly not support it.

They are telling businesses THEY patronize, we don't want porn available to anyone that rents a room. That includes children/teenagers who might be in a room alone.

Why can't the Hotel operators make it so, on request, a room has no access to TV?

It's called "accommodation".

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If they were to make sure that every single man and woman who was involved in porn was there WILLINGLY and not because they needed money to support their drug habit and eat food, then we might talk about 'freedom" and all that. I think porn is slavery, mostly of women. Most women in porn/prostitution would tell you they were choosing to be there, but only because they felt they had no choice but to say so. I wonder how many men who watch porn would want their wives, sisters and mothers practicing this so called "freedom"?

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Amen. Here's a rad idea for ya-and it just happens
to be God's idea; make the State of no effect.
Supercede it. Can't think of any shining examples of the
State that I would save or emulate...can you?

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True... so instead of forcing a business they patronize to do something... why don't they just go somewhere else?

Isn't that the business of the next person who rents a room??? Why not tell these hotels not to rent a room out to unmarried couples??? I find it interesting that they are more interested in porn being available for viewing than actual fornicators and adulterers. Oh... and Muslims are highly offended by pork... maybe they should tell the business NOT to sell or provide any pork products. Maybe, since both groups have a high tendency to lean on public modesty, they should tell the hotels not to provide a pool with mixed swimming. Maybe the Christians and Muslims can tell the business that they have to be closed on both Fridays and Sundays. C'mon. This is stupid Prax and you know it. If I was a hotel owner I'd be concerned that if I met this demand... what demand comes next. A Koran and a Bible in the nightstand??? lol I'd then politely explain that they are only a small portion of patrons and that most patrons haven't expressed similar concerns. I'd explain that I am in the hospitality business and that the desires of my patrons is what I am here to provide. What they desire in the privacy of their rooms is entirely their business as long as it is legal.

I'd say that parents need to parent their kids. Teach your kids better or supervise them. Hotels aren't daycares. Wa, wa, wa. They're your kids. And from a parental perspective... kids and teens ARE going to get curious and look this stuff up. Watch the kids. That's your job. You're the parent.

I'd see nothing wrong with a business providing television only by request. But then I'd charge for just basic television services. Someone has to make sure the requests are properly handled. That takes time and attention from other duties. That means... money. For an extra $5 dollars we can limit or perhaps allow television in a room (depending on how a business wants to do it).

Or... you can simply not turn the stupid thing on! Hey, go figure. Personal responsibility. lol

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First, this is outside the subject. We aren't talking about porn itself. Just it's availability.

Drug addiction or not... it's an individual's choice to do it. I know plenty of people who have had drug habits... pretty bad ones... and none turned to porn to make money.

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Sadly, no.

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Does everything written in the Quran apply to Muslims today?

Does everything written in the Bible apply to Christians today?

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Many Muslims are moderate and don't apply all Koranic passages literally

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Hmm, been searching; having lots of trouble finding any Muslim EXOTIC dancers (a more precise truth = an infraction here, apparently)...
And the Qur'an I'm reading sez follow Christ or
get ready for hell, so...I find your post uninformed, at best,
where Islam is concerned, but this just confirms my fear
that Dordt's position on Muslims is a common one.
I expected better from you, frankly, being from a more
enlightened generation; our current position may be fully laid
at baby boomer's doorsteps, so I expect them to be
flopping around with clueless, defensive posts...?

"Politics and Islam are both of this world. Christianity is not."
Hmm, a brief look at the active threads in this forum
will put paid to that soon enough. Calling this obtuse would be kind.

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Thanks. Same goes for many Christians! :winkgrin

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Yikes; me, agreeing with Prax...

and this is why I love you, Timmy,
you see the weeds in your own yard;
even if it is at your old house! :lol

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:highfive

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So should all drugs be legalized and provided to patrons of any establishment who want to use them? Meaning talking about drug availability?

I am talking about the MAKERS of porn. Most of those women are likely on drugs.

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As point one, what the heck are you talking about? What does free speech, press, and privacy have to do with anything? We legislate morality, to say the government shouldn't is asinine. To point to limits or things they should not legislate doesn't change anything.

It is not like mob rule. This is not about free speech, or weak Christians. It is about letting a business know that they would prefer they not provide the smut in their rooms. Giving businesses incentives to do what is right is not mob rule.

Will they be successful? Doubtful. There is too much profit in it. The only way it will be successful is when it costs them more than they make.

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Every thread has a surprise or two it seems...

I just want to say to the great "Baron", DITTO!