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shag 08-13-2012 06:26 AM

Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Growing up, my sister was raised "pentecostal'. She did not attend anywhere for many years, then while in her late 20's she joined the AOG, and has been for the past 15 years or so, every since. She's deffinatley die hard aog, and is very involved.

My mother and her were recently at a public place, and they noticed a lady in shorts with the edge of her butt cheeks peeking out. My mother commented to her on it being so short, and my sister replied "well, those are probably a little short, but I think it is perfectly fine(as a Christian woman) if her shorts are worn 2" below the butt cheek.
To which my mother said "thats not modest". My sister said "well, we just have two different ideas of modesty"...

Obviously.
I am kinda surprised at the butt cheek being the line to her.

Is this a common "line" in the AG(:D) or is it simply personal conviction/preference?

navygoat1998 08-13-2012 06:57 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
I wear my shorts below my knees! Because I am holy.......a little chunky as well. :thumbsup

Bro. Robbins 08-13-2012 07:11 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shag (Post 1181508)
Growing up, my sister was raised "pentecostal'. She did not attend anywhere for many years, then while in her late 20's she joined the AOG, and has been for the past 15 years or so, every since. She's deffinatley die hard aog, and is very involved.

My mother and her were recently at a public place, and they noticed a lady in shorts with the edge of her butt cheeks peeking out. My mother commented to her on it being so short, and my sister replied "well, those are probably a little short, but I think it is perfectly fine(as a Christian woman) if her shorts are worn 2" below the butt cheek.
To which my mother said "thats not modest". My sister said "well, we just have two different ideas of modesty"...

Obviously.
I am kinda surprised at the butt cheek being the line to her.

Is this the common "line" in the aog, or is it simply personal conviction/preference?

First... you might want to say AG. I'm not sure why, but my Assembly of God Pastor friends always correct me on that. I was Church of God for years, and we would use the acronym COG, so it just seemed reasonable to use AOG as well, and I've had my hand smacked by them various times making sure I knew it was AG... I know, what's the difference?

Now regarding AG teachings of modesty. You will find within the Trinitarian Pentecostal churches that there are wide ranges of difference regarding Lifestyle Holiness within the organizations, and everyone isn't expected to feel the same like you might see in Oneness Pentecostal org's. For example, right here in Nashville, I can take you to an AG church where 75% of the women still don't cut their hair, don't wear pants, and you'd think you were in a UPC church for the most part. And then right up the street, there's another AG church that runs 4000 people, holds rodeo's in their sanctuary, people attend church in tank tops and shorts, and their members would never think anything about having short shorts on.

The AG's are very autonomous churches, therefore, there is a wide range of diversity among them, and they are fine with that. The COG has that same diversity, though there's more discussion and even controversy within that org about it. You'll see more of them criticizing each other calling each other legalists and the other's compromisers or emergents. But neither in the AG or COG, there isn't any effort for modesty to mean the same across the entire organization, it really is down to the individual church, unlike what I've seen in most Oneness org's.

Sidenote: The small Oneness org I'm a part of has less than a hundred churches, but we are extremely diverse and it works for us. We have some churches that the skirts are always to the ankle, no hair cutting, the men never wear shorts and no man would ever wear a tank top.... and then we have other churches in our fellowship that if you walked in you'd think you were in a baptist church by appearance. And it works for us.

Cindy 08-13-2012 07:12 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
I don't think it has anything to do with the AOG.

Timmy 08-13-2012 07:28 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shag (Post 1181508)
Growing up, my sister was raised "pentecostal'. She did not attend anywhere for many years, then while in her late 20's she joined the AOG, and has been for the past 15 years or so, every since. She's deffinatley die hard aog, and is very involved.

My mother and her were recently at a public place, and they noticed a lady in shorts with the edge of her butt cheeks peeking out. My mother commented to her on it being so short, and my sister replied "well, those are probably a little short, but I think it is perfectly fine(as a Christian woman) if her shorts are worn 2" below the butt cheek.
To which my mother said "thats not modest". My sister said "well, we just have two different ideas of modesty"...

Obviously.
I am kinda surprised at the butt cheek being the line to her.

Is this a common "line" in the AG(:D) or is it simply personal conviction/preference?

It's in the AG manual, section 184, paragraph 78, subparagraph.... Nah, just kidding. :lol I don't recall hearing anything like this, in my 50 years in the AG.

Cindy 08-13-2012 08:30 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
My personal opinion is: Showing your butt or cleavage is not modest. And for some the knees are not that attractive either............. :girlnails.

deafdriscoll 08-13-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
i had some neighbors that always wore their pants half way down like that. My cats would sit and watch them threw the window. I have always wondered what my cats thought about it. :heeheehee :happydance Do you wonder what animals think about us when we act stupid :highfive Theywould just watch those clowns for hours when they were outside with their pants hanging half way down their butts. :laffatu :spit :thumbsup

Praxeas 08-13-2012 11:59 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shag (Post 1181508)
Growing up, my sister was raised "pentecostal'. She did not attend anywhere for many years, then while in her late 20's she joined the AOG, and has been for the past 15 years or so, every since. She's deffinatley die hard aog, and is very involved.

My mother and her were recently at a public place, and they noticed a lady in shorts with the edge of her butt cheeks peeking out. My mother commented to her on it being so short, and my sister replied "well, those are probably a little short, but I think it is perfectly fine(as a Christian woman) if her shorts are worn 2" below the butt cheek.
To which my mother said "thats not modest". My sister said "well, we just have two different ideas of modesty"...

Obviously.
I am kinda surprised at the butt cheek being the line to her.

Is this a common "line" in the AG(:D) or is it simply personal conviction/preference?

Ah yes, the infamous AOG buttcheek rule....

Sam 08-13-2012 01:30 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1181513)
...Sidenote: The small Oneness org I'm a part of has less than a hundred churches, but we are extremely diverse and it works for us. We have some churches that the skirts are always to the ankle, no hair cutting, the men never wear shorts and no man would ever wear a tank top.... and then we have other churches in our fellowship that if you walked in you'd think you were in a baptist church by appearance. And it works for us.

I like that.
:thumbsup

shag 08-13-2012 03:31 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1181516)
It's in the AG manual, section 184, paragraph 78, subparagraph.... Nah, just kidding. :lol I don't recall hearing anything like this, in my 50 years in the AG.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1181547)
Ah yes, the infamous AOG buttcheek rule....

A tolerance chart can be found toward the back of the manual as well, in smaller print. Directly under the heading "Butt Cheek Tolerances". It reads +2", -O" (or + 50.8 mm, - 0 mm).

Dordrecht 08-13-2012 05:49 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
I would go by rule 45B in section 67 of the latest publication.

HolyFire 08-13-2012 06:42 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
My thought is if you cause someone else to sin you are yourself sinning by offense to your brother (or sister).

Dordrecht 08-13-2012 06:48 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Are you saying you would somebody cause to sin by wearing something short?

Wow.

You must be good looking!

BeenThinkin 08-13-2012 06:56 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181606)
Are you saying you would somebody cause to sin by wearing something short?

Wow.

You must be good looking!



Dordrecht, cool down. The Butt Cheek discussion must have you buzzed. Look at your above statement... "Are you saying you would somebody cause...????" :happydance

Been Thinkin

Evenuntodeath 08-13-2012 07:42 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181606)
Are you saying you would somebody cause to sin by wearing something short?

Wow.

You must be good looking!

Only supermodels should dress modestly???

Okey doke. :icecream

Dordrecht 08-13-2012 08:29 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath (Post 1181610)
Only supermodels should dress modestly???

Okey doke. :icecream

Absolutely.
Problem is there are not many in the UPC.
:heeheehee

MawMaw 08-13-2012 08:57 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181606)
Are you saying you would somebody cause to sin by wearing something short?

Wow.

You must be good looking!

She/He could look like a dog....ain't nobody lookin at the face! :icecream

MawMaw 08-13-2012 09:00 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181621)
Absolutely.
Problem is there are not many in the UPC.
:heeheehee

Evidently you haven't seen many of the absolutely
stunning UPC ladies lately! Some of the most
beautiful women around! :nod

Dordrecht 08-13-2012 10:08 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 1181625)
Evidently you haven't seen many of the absolutely
stunning UPC ladies lately! Some of the most
beautiful women around! :nod

Where?? Don't keep it secret!:smack

Evenuntodeath 08-13-2012 10:37 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181621)
Absolutely.
Problem is there are not many in the UPC.
:heeheehee

Bad dordrecht! Very Bad! :foottap

Sam 08-13-2012 10:49 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
He shall beautify the meek with salvation

Dordrecht 08-14-2012 10:16 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath (Post 1181647)
Bad dordrecht! Very Bad! :foottap

:sorry:

lalala

navygoat1998 08-14-2012 10:26 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181640)
Where?? Don't keep it secret!:smack

Dordrecht that would be below the knee sexy

Dordrecht 08-14-2012 10:29 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1181723)
Dordrecht that would be below the knee sexy

I did not mean to ask where the good stuff is on the body.
I was asking where the super models were attending church.
That's a secret for now which I like to bring out in the open!

:crazyluv

navygoat1998 08-14-2012 10:43 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1181725)
I did not mean to ask where the good stuff is on the body.
I was asking where the super models were attending church.
That's a secret for now which I like to bring out in the open!

:crazyluv

I wish I could help, but I have only found one super model in the church and I married her.:whistle

Dordrecht 08-14-2012 10:55 AM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1181727)
I wish I could help, but I have only found one super model in the church and I married her.:whistle

You lucky guy!:yourock

Aquila 08-14-2012 12:56 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
I don't think it's modest. If a Christian woman dressed like this I'd say it's a mark of spiritual immaturity.

hometown guy 08-14-2012 01:37 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1181764)
I don't think it's modest. If a Christian woman dressed like this I'd say it's a mark of spiritual immaturity.

Don't turn this into a standards thread by trying to push your standards on everyone :icecream

Hoovie 08-14-2012 07:38 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1181775)
Don't turn this into a standards thread by trying to push your standards on everyone :icecream

Yeah! If a little cheeky cellulite is a turn on, then there is a deeper problem in the looker than the wearer! jk

BeenThinkin 08-14-2012 07:49 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1181854)
Yeah! If a little cheeky cellulite is a turn on, then there is a deeper problem in the looker than the wearer! jk


Hoovie, where have you seen "cheeky cellulite"? :foottap

Been Thinkin

houston 08-14-2012 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 1181625)

Evidently you haven't seen many of the absolutely
stunning UPC ladies lately! Some of the most
beautiful women around! :nod

You a stand up comedienne?

shag 08-14-2012 08:41 PM

Re: Modesty, 2 inches below the butt cheek?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 1181625)
Evidently you haven't seen many of the absolutely
stunning UPC ladies lately! Some of the most
beautiful women around! :nod

My wife falls into that category. :D


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