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Are these children responsible for their own evil?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnuqnd-kUao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2-Re_Fl_L4

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LOL! No, it is not a trick question. I just thought it would make for interesting conversation. That video about that little girl blew me away. I didn't believe it at first.

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ILG, you've brought up an excellent subject!! Point and case, what happens to children who are sold into sex slavery? They are addicted to heroin, and then they are given over to sexual deviants who viciously abuse and murder them.

Many die before they are even adults. They die harlots. They die adulterers. They die in evil. The below link is from a movie we just watched, based on true events. This film left me in a daze for over a week. It's beyond difficult to watch, but every, single human being on this planet needs to see this!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al3anBiHwmI

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That looks very interesting. Blowing the whistle can really put you in a world of hurts, for sure.

I don't think we can measure the "sin" of someone raised in a great home the same way we measure the "sin" of someone who was raised as a sex slave. There are going to be two totally different worldviews....

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Absolutely!! And, IMO, to different "God-views". This is the thing that many Ultra-Cons can't stomach. It goes to show, judgment is NOT cut and dry. “Gasp”, God might even have mercy on a Catholic!!!!!

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Rahab was a harlot....

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Jesus was very compassionate with sinners. Not so much with religious people. He came to heal and save the sick and lost, and make them whole.

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Excuse me, but could you explain the above comment?

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Yes, Rahab the harlot was saved. Why? She was a harlot. It doesn't even say she was an ex-harlot.

Sometimes, people are caught in situations where righteousness is impossible for them. Although I believe people should turn from wrong ways, sometimes what is seen as wrong varies between people and I don't think God holds it against them when they have faith because faith is what connects people to God, not good works.

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Excuse me, but how does Rahab fit with the above?

You don't think Rahab joined with the Israelites after Joshua 6:23?

Sis, I think, she is called Rahab the harlot as to differentiate her from other individuals who may have the name Rahab. Not that it was a part of her DNA, or that she came from a race of harlots.

;)

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It doesn't say what her behavior was afterwards. The assumption is made she cleaned up but we don't know that for sure. We assume that because we expect harlots to stop doing what they do when they become part of "church". However, if you take a harlot and put her in a church, even with a faith experience she is not going to act like the sweet little church girl who was raised nicely. It's not in her make-up. What I am saying is that what is good and evil is not as readily evident to everyone as some people suggest.

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Wow, may the force be with you.

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I thought it was self-explanatory.

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Didn't israelites stone women to death for adultery? Rahab married an israelite, no? I think the fact that she cleaned up is implied. I've never heard of any biblical cases where married women openly sold their bodies without repercussions. This was not the norm for Jewish people.

In any case, the story of Rahab and children sold as sex slaves are really two different scenarios.

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YOUR KUNG FU, IS VERY GOOD!

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I suspect Rahab cleaned up. But her behavior was probably never the same as the daughter of an upright Israelite.

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LOL.

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You mean someone from outside the group can never really get it together?

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That's not what I am saying.

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:killinme

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Ok, this I understand. Please don't think I mean to derail or belittle your thread. The subject of sex trafficking is VERY horrible and makes me sad to think of it.

I just thought Rahab was not the best metaphor. But yes, her behavior probably was not the same as other jewish women. And I know this from experience. I have a good friend of mine who dabbled into various sin, including pornography. She serves God now but I can't really say she's the perfect lady like our pastor's wife, she is more laid back so to speak.

I guess your question was whether children brought into sinful situations or show very wicked tendencies at a young age can still make it to heaven?

I have to give this some thought and get back to this thread.

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Then by all means please clarify.

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I know some people who were at "Rick James" level when they were in the world, and to be around them you would NEVER even think it.

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True, nothing is impossible for the Lord.

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Praise Jesus for His power! :highfive

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People who are damaged like this young lady was, are not responsible for their actions, they have no real choice. It is great when a psychologist or therapist can help them heal, and restore them to a place where they can once again make real choices.

The only thing worse than the damage done those who abuse is those who force them to live in a broken state by simply giving them a religion but no real help. Like those who have a broken leg and all that is done is praying for them but no medical help given.

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People who had horrible experiences, and childhoods are not responsible for their actions? Are you currently working as a public defendant?

Could you explain your theory further?

Does God intervene to convert, when a person is willing to allow God into their lives?


I agree with you here, just giving someone religion without any real physical or supernatural help is just a band-aid on a bullet wound.

Restoration takes time and work with everyone involved.


I understand what you mean, but I was a witness of the accident of church sister's son, when he flipped his Stingray bicycle broke his arm, and she quietly knelt by his side, silently prayed, and the boy's arm was healed.

While I believe that individuals have the "faith" to allow God to perform the impossible, I also understand that Jesus Himself (God in the flesh) asked people to leave the room, and while visiting His home town could not perform many miracles. Taking that all into consideration one needs to know what they are dealing with, in order to see the impossible change before their eyes.

People have a free will and not only need our prayers but need our positive actions. In order to change their minds towards rehabilitation, and restoration.

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Absent a real choice one is simply acting as an animal would. They little girl in the video didn't have just a horrible experience she was repeatedly raped at one year old. That kind of damage is so severe that real freedom is not available to them to make choices. She had no emotion, no feelings of right and wrong, the working definition of legal insanity. She cannot conform her actions to what she ought.






The reality we live in is that God does not usually, if ever, heal broken bones outside of medical attention. The psyche is just as much in need of medical help in a situation like this, we are not talking about a cut or a bruise, we are talking about injuries so severe she cannot function in society.

Maybe the arm was broke, maybe it wasn't I was not there but the truth is many times people blame God and/or give give him credit for things He has never done.

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Children who have behaved in depraved ways CAN change. In some ways, it is easier for them to repent than adults who have become set in their ways.

The scripture says that we all need to come to Him as little children- a lot of people in their 30s, 40s and beyond are very full of themselves and/or think they have sinned, no use to pray or that they are the chief of sinners or what have you. While it is true that there are psychopathic and sociopathic children, I wouldn't say that they can't experience deep repentance.

The other scripture that comes to mind is where sin abounds, grace abounds so much more.

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You are exhausting me. ;)

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Yes, to this, I agree!! Very good.

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This is what I was talking about when I opened this thread....:thumbsup

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:heeheehee

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Psychology, schmychology. It's demons.

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And some kids were just born bad!

http://www.google.com/url?source=img...Z7OqDlrLE6tV7g

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This is where God knows what people have endured... and people have no idea what has happened to their fellow man/woman (in the past) when they walk through the church doors. Many assume that most people come from loving homes, when in fact they would be horrified to hear about what kind of conditions they had to endure when they were children. Most churchgoers do not even want to hear about it because, as some say, they cannot do anything about it so why listen to it?

I've asked this same question before in another thread. What do Preachers and congregants in general do when they encounter people who have endured mental/emotional/physical abuse? I like baron's answer the best.

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Thus the unsaid doctrine of "Leave it at the apostolic alter!". Pray while trembling and having a few "Mmm shaka!"'s shouted in your face, and no one has to deal with any issues afterwards. If anyone DOES that just means the prayers and "Mmm Shaka!"'s weren't loud and forceful enough.

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...or you did not receive the blessing of the mmm Shaka! :)

Fact is, I have not found any church that is equipped to handle a person who may have grown up like little Beth. She has exceptional parents who recognizes that there were big problems. For the most part, children like this go unnoticed or are cast aside as rebellious.

It is amazing to me that a 6-year-old acted out on an act that was done to her repeatedly while she was one-year-old. This goes to show us humans that people have reasons why they are the way they are. We may not always be aware of those reasons, but our subconscious is. And so is God.

So yes, I agree that maybe God judges, not based upon appearance, but upon all that he knows about us and what happens to us in our lifetime.

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I thought as much. :nod