Commanded to Speak in Tongues?
 

Is there anywhere in the Bible where someone was commanded to speak in tongues?

Is there a verse in the Bible that attaches eternal destiny to speaking in tongues?

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no

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It depends on whether or not you believe that receiving God's Spirit is evidenced by speaking in tongues. I happen to believe that it does according to Acts 2:33.

Whichever way you want to believe it, you must be Spirit filled - Romans 8:9 "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

I don't have to wrestle with the question or have doubts because, I have spoken in tongues as the Spirit gave the utterance - just like the Apostles and the Mother of Jesus Christ. She bore Him in her womb and obtained Him later in her heart. Awesome!

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Ok, be honest; you participated in glossololia, and not xenoglossia, as is recorded.

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LOL! This such a ridiculous argument. Can you imagine Paul saying - Act 19:2 "He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost."

Now WAIT, it ACTUALLY happened this way, "He said unto them, Have ye received glossololia or xenoglossia since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any glossololia or xenoglossia."


:toofunny :toofunny

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No.

No.

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The members of the New Covenant Church are commanded to pray in the spirit.

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. 20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Jude 1:19-20

18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; Ephesians 6:18

What does it mean to pray in the spirit?

14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth , but my understanding is unfruitful.

So yes God wants all his children praying in tongues.

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Just listen to Lonnie he will teach you all you need to know about them tongues.....lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkn1BilNhmc

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Charnock,

You've come a long way since first posting.

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When tongues were first introduced at Pentecost the onlookers understood what was being said. I have never been in a church service and understood what someone said when they were speaking in tongues...In the bible it clearly gives instructions in Corith on how to use tongues. I have a hard time finding scripture for the tongues I hear in church today cause 1. it's not the tongues at Pentecost or the onlookers would understand what was being said 2. It's not a prayer language cause I am hearing it and that goes against the Corith teaching...

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1. Jude verses 20 and 21 encourage us to keep ourselves in the love of God and to look for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ by building ourselves up (edifying ourselves) by praying in the Spirit. Praying in the Spirit and edifying one's self is praying with tongues according to my understanding of 1 Corinthians 12. Ephesians 6:18 encourages us to pray in the Spirit i.e. pray in tongues or in our prayer language.

2. In my opinion, no

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Pentecost is the only time it was recorded that tongues were understood

Corinth does not say you can't pray in tongues.

Paul says he prays "in the spirit", the context shows he was speaking of tongues


1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will also pray with the mind; I will sing with the spirit, and I will also sing with the mind.

Be nice

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Bingo, imo.
Amen to that. Tongues is not the Holy Spirit.
We are clearly informed by Paul that tongues will cease, while the Holy Spirit will not. Your babbling is singing to satan, imo, and strictly a sideshow, and has no relation to the xenoglossia of Scripture.

Please witness the fruit of tongues today for me; dissension is all I find in it. It is strictly an arguing point among believers. Peace to you.

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Since that may be a bit harsh-
-as many truths seem to be-
-let me say something that perhaps we can both agree on:

If you allow the Spirit to be your guide here,
and not some Apo/Pent who sees fit to add
on to the end of Acts 2:38, you will surely be guided correctly.

Pardon me if I was rude.

PO sings to Satan? O.o

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Evidence of having received.

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I wrote a song to you, diablo? :happydance

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We all sing to satan, in our own ways.
We are much more comfortable with his ideas than God's.
One is known by their fruit, and we are in a fourth generation.

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Lacking that in the text, it is you who have added this, onto the end of a beautiful Scripture that is not revealing tongues. Anyone who seeks may find here, and may the Spirit be your guide. Dissect the relevant verses on a Bible engine; you could spend 4 hours on a verse now. Or, witness the fruit :lol

Vas a ver...

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There is more evidence in the Book of Acts supporting tongues than against it.

The fruit of the spirit bears out how we have allowed continual, effectual change in our relationship with God.

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See what?

See me tie my tie

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:toofunny

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See my tie
See my bow tie
See me tie my tie
See me tie my bow tie

from the official "Guide to Altar Workers"

:happydance:happydance:happydance:happydance

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Right; that's why Apo/Pents feel compelled to add to Acts 2:38--and furnish "Timmy" posts like yours here, rather than just quote some relevant Scripture.

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It seems an easy test for this is,
"Are your borders increasing?"
Another would be to have a glossololia session,
and then 2 trusted "interpretations."
We both know the results there tho, I bet.

But rather than pick that scab, again, this part of your post seems more worth pursuing; but I don't get the relation to tongues. And I would have said it the other way:
"If we allow continual, effectual change (of our minds) in relationship to Christ, the fruit of the spirit will bear this out." I sub Christ for God, as Christ is our way to God.

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Too me it does not make any since to say anywhere else besides Pentecost was tongues not understood, the day tongues where spoken and everyone understood it, is the way it happened through the rest of the time tongues were present. To say that tongues is not an understood language by listeners is not biblical,cause the bible says no such thing, except in the book of Corith then if you are speaking in tongues "between you and god" as scripture states I should not hear you,just as the bible states.

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I assumed anyone posting on an "Apostolic" forum would know them. You don't? I posted my first scripture reference with my first response.

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That's what I'm reading. However, I completely understand
the reluctance for a new believer especially to compare some church they
feel good about with the Corinthians; but this is not a new problem, and Paul spoke well about it. It is a sideshow.

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That's where you miss it..."between you and God" does NOT AUTOMATICALLY translate to people nearby not hearing the speaker.

If I came into your church and I began praying in an African dialect, are you gonna stop me from praying just because you don't understand what I'm saying? You would have no idea whether I am speaking in tongues or not.

You should be focused on God during a service and not listening in on the person nearby.

The whole point of 1 Cor 14 is not to forbid tongues in a service, but that it should be done in order.

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It is a gift from God and is your choice to receive it.

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What did Paul mean when he said "Not all speak with tongues" and he wished that all WOULD speak in tongues?

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Wasn't he addressing the Corinth church that he'd rather them speak with the physical tongue (their language) and not babble as some did when they worshiped Pagan gods and brought that into the church.

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So where does Paul say anything about babbling to pagan gods? Can you please cite the chapter and verse? Or anything about "babbling"?

It seems like people do not even believe in the things of the spirit anymore. They mock then blame it on some Church that abused them but it really seems as if unbelief is abounding.

Oh, I believe.

I'm just recalling from my past studies.

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He was talking about the 'gift of tongues' not the evidence of tongues.

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1 Cor 14
1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Right off the bat, the "tongues" Paul is referring to here is not natural language as EVIDENCED by his statement "...in the spirit, he speaketh mysteries (and NO MAN UNDERSTANDS IT)

3 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

Tongues (without interpretation as stated later in the chapter) serve for PERSONAL EDIFICATION (In lame man's terms: It's like recharging a battery...lol)

5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

The Apostle DESIRED that ALL his CONVERTS spoke with tongues (PERSONAL EDIFICATION) but most importantly to PROPHESY (OTHER'S EDIFICATION). When we realize the root of the gospel, we understand why prophecy is greater than tongues because it focuses on others and NOT SELF.

The root of the gospel is a selfless love and that is exemplified in prophesying


14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. (Again, not a natural language)

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit (supernatural), and I will pray with the understanding also (natural): I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.(Amen!)

As for the use of tongues while saints are gathered togthered:

28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

"Let him keep silence" and "let him speak to himself and God" are not contradictory when we realize that the subject at hand is about order in the church. The "tongue speaker (who cannot interprete) should speak to God in a non-disorderly way...

38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order

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Prolly the best argument for tongues.
I do note that "speaking" suddenly
turned to "praying" there, but good points.