Pedophilia in Kansas Church
 

Adultery, homosexuality and pedophilia within leadership at a Kansas church?

I am shocked.

Oh well, at least none of them had TVs.

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/C...166055296.html

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/junc...A1HP0HH4SATVLL

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Are strict church rules really relevant? I'm pretty sure that liberal denominations have similar issues with perverts. :rolleyes2

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This is news because it's the church of the guy who created the Affirmation Statement. You know, the guy who wanted purity? To kick all of the unholy people out?

From what I gather the allegations are that the pastor was having sex with young women and his son has a thing for underage males? Oh, and that the church finances are a mess and money is missing?

Yeah, that sounds like your typical ultracon holiness church to me.

The good thing is that brand of "Apostolic" is forever marked in that community.

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Unless you can provide stats that show ultra-conservative groups have a higher rate of perverts than liberal groups, your point doesn't really have much validity. What I think is more relevant is that perhaps God doesn't appreciate holier-than-thou attitudes and may allow things to come to light in order to provide some come-uppance. The fact that people don't watch TV doesn't mean they are more likely to molest children.

Also, the article says that the new pastor is fully cooperating with the authorities: "The church’s new pastor, Nathan Dudley, said he could not comment on any allegations or the police investigation, telling WIBW that he does not want to do anything to impede on the JCPD probe but that the church is fully cooperating with authorities. Dudley says he has only been the pastor for several days."

If the leadership of the church cooperates and is forthcoming with all necessary information, it won't hurt their reputation in the community. It's a good way to restore it, actually.

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This story is heartbreaking. :(

All of Christianity suffers when stuff like this happens.

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These types of thing happen across all denominations. It is sad to say the least and we need to pray for the victims and the saints of this church because they are in for a Faith shaking storm.

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How would you like to be the new pastor that stepped into that mess? God give him wisdom and strength.

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Don't you feel any conviction typing this stuff?
Bad enough the son was arrested, but you speak badly of the Pastor too?

Don't you have any conviction?
Or do you think it is God's Will for you to kick a man when he is down?

Despite what has happened, you yourself are on thin ice and you better go pray.

I am not being sarcastic and there aren't any smileys.

Be careful!

They are not! Some people never move on from bitterness.

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No.

I am simply tired of the church ignoring the fact that hard-liners have huge moral issues. They hide behind a look while engaging in gross sin.

These are the guys who constantly push ministers out of orgs because of doctrinal impurities.

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Well it was the son, not the father who was arrested.
At 25, he is old enough to answer for his alleged actions.

Your assault on the reputation of a forner Pastor when it is his son that is accused does not compute.

Have you prayed for this family and church?

I hope you do.

I know I intend to.


"There go I but by the Grace of God." Have you ever heard this phrase before?

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You need your mouth washed with soap.

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Forget about the victims of the alleged abuse. Let's drag more people thru the mud.

-.-

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Please avoid slang and curse words. We don't allow that on this forum.

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Ya that was a pretty broad brush, there.
I can't buy that anything like "most,"
or even "many" churches that hold to
standards would be in this situation.

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Sorry for the outburst. I know people who were molested by ministers. This thread won't help the victims at all.

Nearly everyone I know is over the affirmation statement debacle. The AS has nothing to do with the crimes the preacher is accused of committing.

Chateau is spreading gossip. "From what I gather" means CH was deliberately looking for for "evidence" of wrongdoing. Even then the best CH could come up with was allegations. CH has convicted someone with hearsay and second hand information. It is ignorant for a christian to stick their nose into a situation where there is no intention of trying to make the situation better.

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Funny stuff.

I am not afraid.

Evil men get by with these things because lemmings let them.

You employ the fear tactics of the ultracons.

These men have told story after story of people who have "left standards" only to fall into sin or some untimely demise. The premise is that legalism saves and protects.

Except it doesn't. We all have issues.

This illustrates the end result of works-based theology.

Flesh stinks no matter how you dress it.

As I posted earlier, at least they don't have TVs.

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Read this:

http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experi...win_young.html

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Do you have a dog in the fight? If not your part of the problem instead of the solution. You are doing nothing to help the situation. If I'm not mistaken, the Bible has something to say about people trying to cause trouble. I think people would like to know your motive. Why you want to be judge, jury, and executioner on allegations. Let the authorities handle the case and pray for the alleged victims.

The AS statement has nothing to do with the alleged crime.
That organization is so irrelevant in christianity. Why do you think DKB feels the need to "revise" their history? He has as to justify the organization's existence to the sheeple.

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Wow. Big, fat, broad sweeping generalization there. I realize what you are saying, but don't cast everyone who makes a stand at a particular place in the same light. I realize you disagree with the UPCI (and are ex-UPCI), but your post sounds very bitter.

Why do we never hear about the ones who are doing good, 'hard-liners' like Larry Booker, busing in ghetto kids to church and helping kids who have no chance in life by giving them the Gospel and pushing them towards educations (as we often do in my 'hard-line' church).

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You accuse TV1 as part of the problem then go and slam DKB, I guess it is who has their own agenda's?

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My friend, I rarely respond/post much here; however, statements (such as the bolded section) really tend to get me riled up a bit. There are hundreds if not thousands of your so called ultra con churches. For you to allege that the "typical" ultra conservative church is one in which the pastor is committing adultery and the ministry staff are molesting children is not only absurd it is IMHO evil and vile.

There is no defense for the indefensible behavior that is alleged in this instance, nor for ANY other perverse and unrighteous action that robs a child of his/her innocence and scars them for life. There is no excuse for a pastor/leader to break their covenant of marriage for an affair and far worse IMO to use their office/position of authority to manipulate anyone regardless of their age causing them to partake in sinful acts. The truth of the matter is these things happen across the board in EVERY religious org trinitarian, oneness, independent, etc.

I know many conservative men who are wonderful Christians, love God, love their spouse and families, love their congregation, and live clean godly lives. Are there some who are mean spirited? Some who are lords over God's heritage? Some who make shipwreck? Absolutely! But what happened in this church is NOT TYPICAL of Apostolics (cons or libs) Methodists, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. In fact (and I may take some heat here) I do not even believe it was "typical" in the Catholic church. There are millions of Catholics and by comparison few instances. Even one is too many and once more I am NOT defending the indefensible, I am just answering the charge that this is "typical" behavior for any church.

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And there are Pharisees on both sides of the street...

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If this is a personal thing, then I have one thing to say:

"Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when they stumble, do not let your heart rejoice," --Proverbs 24:17

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:highfive:

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It is evident DKB is trying to legitimize his organizational stance by revising history. Those are facts. You don't put a lawyer in charge of writing history. DKB is writing a fairy tale.

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Post of the Day.

Yep

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dC6beL09tQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocJNTFXuR7Y


...wow.

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I preached there once and am a friend of the new pastor. This horrid sin on both parties (father & son) are sad and disgusting. NO group is immune to immorality. It is sad you are still so full of bitterness that you cannot go on with your life.

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This is very true. Anywhere there are people, there will be problems and sin.

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FYI, I was once a member of that church. People who leave there are not necessarily bitter, nor have most had much chance to "move on" in some ways.

This has been of interest to me because I have no one there I can contact, yet I want to know what's happening. I had friends there, left friends there. Even though we no longer communicate (it was against the rules to "fellowship backsliders"), still my heart goes out to them.

It's not necessarily bitterness that some may hear in our voices. It's outrage that such was done in the name of the Lord and that it was allowed to continue so long, and anger that no one believed us or that we even at times doubted ourselves.

It could have happened anywhere. But it didn't happen anywhere. It happened in my church. To my friends and loved ones.

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I wear shorts, go to the movies and watch tv, and this thread still troubles me.

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TV1, you're killing me.

You stated that I am a bitter gossip and then slam DKB?

In the same thread?

lol

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It is rather ironic. :D Of the men in question on this thread, DKB is the one who doesn't belong (on a thread like this). Whether DKB is right or wrong about Apostolic history, he's still a godly, Christian man.

I do NOT believe that DKB would deliberately lie about our history or obfuscate facts to suit his purposes. If anyone truly believes he's doing that, they should confront him directly. Being unintentionally wrong does not make a person a liar. In order to be a liar, you must have the intent to lie. Ministers throw around the "liar" and "false prophet" labels much too freely--in regard to their peers. Save that for the men who are deliberately misleading their congregations and constituents; not the ones who might be sincerely wrong about something.

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Seems a lot of people have their pet enemy to lash out at

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Elder, I sincerely hope you did not intend the bolded portion to me.....my post is actually in agreement with yours.

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I think it was pointed at the OP.

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We are in agreementt.