Can God lie?
 

Webster's def of "lie" should do fine.

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Oh Timmy...you know you set yourself up for this one.

To rest in a horizontal or flat position.

Everyone on here knows that Jesus is God, and it is evident that Jesus would have to lie at some point or he would never have been able to get a good nights sleep.

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:lol

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38 view, 0 votes. And no non-TIC posts.

Matterwichoo? :lol

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59 views, 0 votes. Yer skeert, arntcha? :heeheehee

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Yay! 3 votes! And 108 views! :lol

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dumb question since there is actually a verse in the bible that says god cannot lie. you would know that if you weren't a communist atheist.

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:lol

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Ok, well, yud have to call that stuff in Acts
"Apolitical Communism..." :lol
but ya he's right.

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:heeheehee

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4 votes, 156 views.

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You guys would say the following, if I am not mistaken:

God can kill, but He cannot murder.

So, would you also say this?

God can say something that isn't true, but He cannot lie.

Why or why not?

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I think maybe some of us are waiting to see what scripture you are going to spring on us. So why don't you just give us the scriptures you have in mind and let's discuss that? :)

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Where's the fun in that? :heeheehee

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Actually, yes, I do have some scriptures in mind, but they aren't really relevant here. The questions I'm asking are theoretical: Can God lie? Can He say something that isn't true? I think these can be answered without considering what may or may not be examples. In particular, if I posted what I think is an example of God saying something that isn't true (and I have done this before), nobody would accept it (like before). But it doesn't matter.

Can God lie?

Can God tell an untruth?

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Acceptance goes both ways.
You got a great answer, it just didn't fit
your pov of God, Whom you accuse.

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What? I've never accused God of anything.

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Anyway, like I said, it's just a theoretical question. Two of them, now. I'd like your answer to the second one, if you don't mind.

Can God say something that is not true?

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No though it may or may not happen in our lifetime or how we think it ought too God cannot lie or say something that is not true.

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Thanks.

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Here's how I've heard it explained in the past:

It is impossible for God to say something that is NOT true, because, since He is God, as soon as He says it, it becomes truth!

For instance, if God said "The sun rises in the west", as soon as he said that, the sun would begin rising in the west.

Anyway, take it for what's its worth.......

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Ah, that's an interesting take.

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That is Dabar.
You can have it, too.

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Ok. :nah since Numbers 23:19 & Titus 1:2 declares that God cannot lie.

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:toofunny

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Oh wait, was what DM said name calling?

:hmmm

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:nah That was just 'gentle correction'.

:toofunny

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The Numbers scripture is interesting. It says two things: God won't lie and God won't repent. But He has repented! Exodus 32:14, 1 Samuel 15:35, Amos 7:6. What does that say about Numbers 23:19, and the two things it claims?

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Yeah. Much gentler than :smack. :lol

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This still does not show a lie rather theses verses simply show that God can have compassion on sinful man and that God may call a man or nation but still respects that man or nations liberty to turn away from Him and anytime that love is rejected it causes sorrow which is the number one meaning of the word repent in all of the above listed scriptures.

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Not saying God lied, in these scriptures. Merely that one scripture says God will not repent and several other scriptures say God repented. Note that repent, in both contexts, simply means to change one's mind.

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I find it interesting that it says "nor the son of man," When Jesus was considered the son of man. Matthew 25:31

Thats a boggler, imma have to look deeper into that.

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Yeah, I puzzled over that, too. But I think it's merely a rhetorical device, here, which is used a lot elsewhere in the OT, especially Proverbs: the same thing is termed in different ways. In this case, being man and being a "son" of man, which in literal terms means being a man. I don't think the Numbers scripture makes sense, otherwise.

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*Update*
Found something pretty odd in that numbers chapter...

Numbers 23:22
Unicorn?

Isaiah 34:7

Psalm 29:6

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Yeah that's what I was thinking, I am horrible when it comes to grammar rules and explaining them so I didn't want to post on it and sound like a babbling idiot lol.

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No the main meaning in those passages means to be sorry:

- 1. to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted

Strong's Definition: A primitive root; properly to sigh, that is, breathe strongly; by implication to be sorry, that is, (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue ; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself): - comfort (self), ease [one's self], repent (-er, -ing, self).

As it is the same Hebrew word used each time and this word does not mean to change one's mind ( see above definition ) rather than showing God change it simply shows that He has emotions.

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The KJ translators did the best they could. :lol I don't jump on this, as some critics do. It's merely a variance in translation, and at the time of KJ, maybe unicorns were thought to exist, not sure. Modern translators generally render the Hebrew word as "wild ox" or similar.

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Ah. Living with regret is tough, I know. :lol

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Anyway. It's a landslide. 6 No, 0 anything else. Even if He wanted to, God would find it impossible to lie. Kinda like Jim Carrey in "Liar Liar" I guess. :lol

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Didn't get much discussion of this. So, bump! ;)