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Cindy 08-27-2012 07:35 PM

Texas Delegates Mutiny
 
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/t...225837647.html

TAMPA--On Monday morning, at a meeting of more than 100 Texan delegates and alternates at the Saddlebrook Resort 20 miles north of Tampa, one topic got the crowd more fired up than any other. Delegate Melinda Fredricks read aloud a letter condemning recent changes to the national Republican party's rules that would allow the GOP presidential candidate to veto and replace state delegates.

AreYouReady? 08-27-2012 07:42 PM

Re: Texas Delegates Mutiny
 
If this RNC rule is allowed to stand, they are usurping the will of the people.

Pressing-On 08-27-2012 07:45 PM

Re: Texas Delegates Mutiny
 
Texas took care of business. We are the ones carrying the big stick, it appears. And even though they backed down, they are still power grabbing Rhinos.
Quote:

Republicans reach rules change deal to avert floor fight
http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2012...t-floor-fight/

Michael The Disciple 08-27-2012 08:00 PM

Re: Texas Delegates Mutiny
 
Well I thought I might vote for Paul Ryan. Now I saw today Romney says abortion is ok for a womans HEALTH. Anyone in pro life knows what that means. He has no conviction about it whatsoever.

CC1 08-27-2012 08:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1184720)
Well I thought I might vote for Paul Ryan. Now I saw today Romney says abortion is ok for a womans HEALTH. Anyone in pro life knows what that means. He has no conviction about it whatsoever.

Yeah, so lets not support Romney and insure Obama is re-elected because he has so much conviction about abortion.

This is not the election where the drivers should be social issues. Our economy is in tatters and we need more than a left wing socialist community organizer at the helm.

Sam 08-27-2012 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1184736)
Yeah, so lets not support Romney and insure Obama is re-elected because he has so much conviction about abortion.

This is not the election where the drivers should be social issues. Our economy is in tatters and we need more than a left wing socialist community organizer at the helm.

I don't know how liberal Romney is on abortion but it can't be as liberal as Obama is. Ron Paul is strong against abortion. The Republican platform will have a "token" plank about abortion. Barack Obama is in favor of abortion at any time, even after the birth of the child.

Dedicated Mind 08-27-2012 09:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1184720)
Well I thought I might vote for Paul Ryan. Now I saw today Romney says abortion is ok for a womans HEALTH. Anyone in pro life knows what that means. He has no conviction about it whatsoever.

where did you see that? I think his position is if the LIFE of the mother is at risk not the health.

Pressing-On 08-27-2012 11:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1184736)
Yeah, so lets not support Romney and insure Obama is re-elected because he has so much conviction about abortion.

This is not the election where the drivers should be social issues. Our economy is in tatters and we need more than a left wing socialist community organizer at the helm.

Right, because a liar is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llg-...yer_embedded#!

Bro. Robbins 08-28-2012 06:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1184720)
Well I thought I might vote for Paul Ryan. Now I saw today Romney says abortion is ok for a womans HEALTH. Anyone in pro life knows what that means. He has no conviction about it whatsoever.

Michael, I am totally opposed to Abortion in all cases.. no matter what, I believe it's murder. However, of the two clear choices you have.... and if Abortion is your compass for voting... you have one man who may favor it when the life of the mother is at stake... and another man who has gone on record for not only favoring partial birth abortions where the baby is murdered partly outside the womb.... but also said, in cases where babies actually survive a botched abortion and are living outside the womb... he didn't favor getting medical help to that now living, breathing baby.....


So you tell me... is there not something inside of you that tells you the stand of the two men is night and day???

MissBrattified 08-28-2012 06:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1184720)
Well I thought I might vote for Paul Ryan. Now I saw today Romney says abortion is ok for a womans HEALTH. Anyone in pro life knows what that means. He has no conviction about it whatsoever.

Romney is no worse than my husband. My husband and I vehemently disagree over the "mother's life" clause. He has told me in no uncertain terms that if HE ever had to choose between me and an unborn baby, he would pick me. As persuasive as I am :D, I haven't been able to budge him on that one.

trialedbyfire 08-28-2012 06:17 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1184783)
Michael, I am totally opposed to Abortion in all cases.. no matter what, I believe it's murder. However, of the two clear choices you have.... and if Abortion is your compass for voting... you have one man who may favor it when the life of the mother is at stake... and another man who has gone on record for not only favoring partial birth abortions where the baby is murdered partly outside the womb.... but also said, in cases where babies actually survive a botched abortion and are living outside the womb... he didn't favor getting medical help to that now living, breathing baby.....


So you tell me... is there not something inside of you that tells you the stand of the two men is night and day???

Exactly. :highfive

bbyrd009 08-28-2012 07:56 AM

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:lol

Timmy 08-28-2012 08:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1184738)
I don't know how liberal Romney is on abortion but it can't be as liberal as Obama is. Ron Paul is strong against abortion. The Republican platform will have a "token" plank about abortion. Barack Obama is in favor of abortion at any time, even after the birth of the child.

What?

Sam 08-28-2012 11:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1184783)
Michael, I am totally opposed to Abortion in all cases.. no matter what, I believe it's murder. However, of the two clear choices you have.... and if Abortion is your compass for voting... you have one man who may favor it when the life of the mother is at stake... and another man who has gone on record for not only favoring partial birth abortions where the baby is murdered partly outside the womb.... but also said, in cases where babies actually survive a botched abortion and are living outside the womb... he didn't favor getting medical help to that now living, breathing baby.....


So you tell me... is there not something inside of you that tells you the stand of the two men is night and day???

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Sam 08-28-2012 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1184811)
What?

When I said that Barack Obama was in favor of abortion even after the birth of the child, I meant:
1. He believes in "partial birth abortion" i.e. stopping the birth process after the head has emerged and then piercing the skull and brain to kill the partially born child
2. If an abortion is botched and the child is born alive, Barack Obama opposes any medical treatment to keep the baby alive but instead is in favor of either killing the child outright or providing no care until the child dies of neglect.

Michael The Disciple 08-28-2012 02:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1184785)
Romney is no worse than my husband. My husband and I vehemently disagree over the "mother's life" clause. He has told me in no uncertain terms that if HE ever had to choose between me and an unborn baby, he would pick me. As persuasive as I am :D, I haven't been able to budge him on that one.

You missed my point. I never mentioned the Mothers "life". I myself am for the exception to save the Mothers LIFE.

My wife was on the cutting edge of the pro life movement for years being imprisoned in various states for preaching the gospel.

How the devil works is by making a clause for the womans HEALTH. That is much different than her LIFE. The health clause means basically ANYTHING. It is as if there are no restrictions at all.

Her "health" can mean she does not like her breasts to sag. It can mean she may have stress because she has to care for children. It may hurt her mental well being because she may have to give up time she likes to use for other things to train up a child. See?

The HEALTH of the mother is much different than the LIFE of the mother. In the abortion debate this is how the liberals pacify the people deceiving them into thinking the two things are the same.

The health of the mother exception could mean ANYTHING one chooses it to mean it is just a smokescreen for unjustified homicide of the child.

In other words Romney has come full circle from pro choice to pro life now to the very safe politically correct position of exception for the HEALTH of the mother. I think that fits very nicely with the pro choice position.


No I wont walk across the street to vote for a man who ok with murdering the unborn and giving innocent children away to "gay" couples.

It will be interesting to see what Paul Ryan now says. Im sure he has opposed the HEALTH exception if he has followed the battle over the years.

Dedicated Mind 08-28-2012 02:55 PM

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paul ryan is definitely against health exception, but yes, mitt romney said, "äbortion in cases of HEALTH or life of the mother" in cbs interview on yesterday.

AreYouReady? 08-28-2012 03:00 PM

Re: Texas Delegates Mutiny
 
You are so right Michael. Words mean something, but most people do not take the time to pick out those words.

Everybody thinks Bush had a 'partial birth abortion' ban passed. But most did not read the wording in that bill and reality is...there is no real ban on partial birth abortions. Full term babies are still being killed according to what I read on what a doctor said.

Michael The Disciple 08-28-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1185004)
paul ryan is definitely against health exception, but yes, mitt romney said, "äbortion in cases of HEALTH or life of the mother" in cbs interview on yesterday.

Now that Mitt has the nomination hes comfortable to let the HEALTH exception put the unaware voter back to sleep assuming he is pro life.

He may do the same with his position on guns slowly without fanfare drifting back to his original anti 2 nd amendment position. He has never come out against gay rights only in support of traditional marriage.

Michael The Disciple 08-28-2012 03:05 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1185007)
You are so right Michael. Words mean something, but most people do not take the time to pick out those words.

Everybody thinks Bush had a 'partial birth abortion' ban passed. But most did not read the wording in that bill and reality is...there is no real ban on partial birth abortions. Full term babies are still being killed according to what I read on what a doctor said.

Exactly.

CC1 08-28-2012 07:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins (Post 1184783)
Michael, I am totally opposed to Abortion in all cases.. no matter what, I believe it's murder. However, of the two clear choices you have.... and if Abortion is your compass for voting... you have one man who may favor it when the life of the mother is at stake... and another man who has gone on record for not only favoring partial birth abortions where the baby is murdered partly outside the womb.... but also said, in cases where babies actually survive a botched abortion and are living outside the womb... he didn't favor getting medical help to that now living, breathing baby.....


So you tell me... is there not something inside of you that tells you the stand of the two men is night and day???

Excellent post and I noticed no one had a contradiction to it because any rational person cannot contradict it.

There will probably never be a candidate whose positions I fully agree with. However upon given a choice between one candidate who supports 75% of my positions on issues vs one who supports 5% I will go with the 75% guy everytime.

People like PO and a few others are letting bitterness blind common sense.


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