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No... not the peace-loving muslims...
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and these guys are obama supporters and working there way into the dem party
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"Islam is a religion of peace."
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This has nothing to do with religion.
The death penalty is applied to spies in the US as well. Foreigners who are caught running drugs into Saudi are put in an open courtyard in Riyadh and have their heads lopped off in public. If you lop off drug runners heads in public you get very, very few drug runners. Take note of this. A nod to your 'pals' over in Isreal who executed your "savior" for doing nothing. Instead of outrage you people celebrate this every year. What hypocrites. |
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Now from the News article this did indeed have to do with religion, the Islamic Religion you claim to follow According to a report by Lebanon Today translated into English, the Yemeni jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah took control of the Azzan area of Yemen and imposed Islamic law, or Shariah. In the process, the group crucified three men, accusing them of being agents for the U.S. The executions reportedly took place several months ago. Former PLO operative turned terrorism analyst Walid Shoebat says the inscription in the photo of one of the victims reads, “He was crucified for three days in accordance to Shariah.” “One they nicknamed ‘Captain’ was executed by crucifixion for three days at the entrance to the city of Jaar in the Abyan province, to be viewed by passersby entering and leaving the city. Second, do you know the last time we executed a spy? First of all we have due process and rather than operating by mob rule and dragging someone off the street and executing them without a long judicial process designed to give them a FAIR trial. “‘In Afghanistan, the ones who receive this type of executions are those who are considered spies. But in Yemen this is the first time we have seen such phenomenon, which has become a natural thing now because al-Qaida now exercises the powers of the state and it’s natural that it carries out such executions.” So WII? Do you support Al Qaida because the previous islamic government was not crucifying people but now Al Qaida is? You clearly support beheading people for their crimes in a public display of brutal ,gruesome and bloody justice. Oh, and what kind of person would point to the people in Israel as the ones that crucified Jesus? That is absolutely asinine. You've got to be kidding. The crucifixion occurred nearly 2000 years ago. We don't approve of crucifixion. But it was His death that cleanses us from sin and made the covenant with God. How he died is irrelevant to us. We celebrate His willing submission to God and the Roman authorities to put him to death, not the method. We view what happened to Jesus as equally brutal, gruesome and bloody as your Islamic methods of justice. Oh and before you go comparing how the church USED to be, just remember that is how the church USED to be. We don't approve of such methods either, but you Islamists are stuck in that age. It's people like you WII, that causes the fear, irrational or deserved, of Islamics here in America, for fear they will try to impose your Sharia laws |
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BTW Im sure you realize that desperate governments like Saddam's and others, will execute an innocent person to send a message to the real thugs.
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Looking at those images are horrible, apalling, and so very disturbing. And then I think that our Lord went through that very act of being crucified, and in my opinion, an even much more horrific fashion..... and all because he wanted to rescue me.
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that is one method of the death penalty.
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My posts are not made with the slightest concern as to what you or your peers may or may not think of me. On some things we agree, on some we dont. I do not agree, in this case, that the outrage is warranted.
With this in mind: That wasnt a lash. That was a comment that spies are executed in Yemen just like they are executed here. I am a bit tired of you and your colleagues looking overseas and posting critical remarks about problems over there without, again, cleaning out your own backyards. They do things differently over there. You may not think it is right but crucifixian is an accepted method of punishment by death penalty under the law. Putting some poor schmuck in a chair, hooking electrodes up to him, and shocking him over and over while watching him twitch and vomit all over himself was taken. I have nothing to do with Al Qaida. I lose as little sleep over some druggie getting his head chopped as you lose over some villager up in the pakastani mountains getting summarily executed with a random bomb. The druggie does get a chance to wash and pray before he sticks his neck out. On the issue of fair trials. Do you to read a book called "Dreams of Ada" or even better a book called "The Innocent Man (more recommended because you will know the author, John Grisham) then come back to me and tell me about the fair trials given to those on death row right here. Nothing to do with religion, but about (4) innocent people put on death row by the same prosecuter. Now lets talk about modern christians. You don't lose a single iota of sleep or express outrage or wave your standards of fairness when islamic 'extremists' who have never been to court and who are nowhere near America, Americans, or American interests get randomly blown to bits in some faraway overseas village. This is who and what you are NOW and TODAY and matches who and what you were THEN and in the PAST. You have much to say of trials and fairnesss only when some spies get executed by Muslims and nothing to say when Muslims get summarily executed on sight by bombs and guns. So this makes you any different from those who hacked their way through Jerusalem during the Crusades? I think not. About your jewish buddies: Do you know who Rachel Corrie is? She is the girl from Washington State who was run down (then backed over) with a bulldozer by an Israeli soldior when she was protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza. Their comments: "There are no civilians in war". Get this and this has nothing to do with religion Prax: In Texas we don't run over unarmed women with heavy machinery. If we need someone moved, we man up and move them. Not only do you not give "fair trials" to the "extremists" that are summarily executed around the world, you support outright murder of our own by your Jewish pals. That girl for SURE didnt get a trial but that's their law. Summary: I still call the comments about the article hypocritical Quote:
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I would comment, but what I have to say would offend a certain poster who travels with a pedophile religion... Ooops, said it anyway.
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As I said, we have an extensive justice system that ensures the rights of the accused to a fair trial plus appeals process If you read the article this was not the government putting this man to death. It was a jihadist group that had taken over an area of Yemen They crucified the man for THREE DAYS. That is not comparable to putting a man to death in the states. And it was not a gruesome three day public event While Executions by the Federal Government is allowed, it's also very rare (and opposed to by many many Americans) The issue with the video was not that it was punishment for spying but the fact it was videod, the fact it was public, the fact the method was brutal and gruesome and that it was for 3 days. Quote:
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These executions are not televised or done in public square and if they were most Americans would probably protest just as many protest the death penalty now But we CAN protest....you can't. Because this was a RELIGIOUS act and not a governmental act or a government acting as a religious authority. I already posted this once before Quote:
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Nor is it randomly. There is a process of intel and identification that goes on to identify the enemy. Afghanistan is a combat zone. Quote:
In America EVERY citizen, Muslim or not, get's the same protections under the law. While ordinary citizens have protested the building of a Mosque the government protected their rights and it was built. Nor do all Americans or Christians agree with those that protest. That is how we are different. WE stand up and oppose or speak out about wrongs or injustices. Most of the Muslims being killed are combatants and when an innocent dies it is regrettable and even our leaders will apologize and admit how regrettable it is. But what about Muslims? You Muslims randomly blow up targets that are often nothing more than citizens, non combatants without weapons like on a bus. Or car bombs where there are no military targets remotely close. Do your Muslims colleagues stand up and lament how terrible it was for that to happen and to ensure they will investigate the process so that it does not happen again? Do you? Do they? Do your governments stand up and speak up every time a Muslim kills other Muslims? Jews? Christians, because they ARE Jews or Christians and not military combatants? Our government is NOT a religious institution. We don't institute Religious laws as guidance to execute people or kill Muslims, Jews or Christians. Quote:
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As I said earlier this is Texas and we don't do things the same way here that they do in Isreal or Yemen. You must otherwise be numb if you actually believe I am either upset or surprised that you take the execution of good Muslims and use it to further your anti-Muslim agenda.
My initial comment that this had nothing to do with religion stands and do not mistake my comments towards your ongoing anti-muslim agenda while pointing out your hypocracy as sympathy towards the current direction of Yemeni policy. Since you continue to make this about Islam and Muslims I guess I will bite. I have some free time. Reminder: We talked about this a couple of years ago when you were babbling about how afraid you are that some tent-dwelling Yemeni was going to declare jihad on your small town from his mud hut and I tried to calm your fears by briefing you that on the very day that you were cowering in fear over your keyboard there were brave Muslim (Saudi) soldiers down at the Yemeni border (just) south of us who took up weapons and stood the wall for you. Rather than acknowledging this with a simple thanks you have again convinced yourself that those brave soldiers who were in fact protecting your hometown are actually, due to their religion, part of the problem rather than using the business end of their weapons to be part of the solution. Since you will not acknowledge this I will cheerfully do it for you. The fact that you cannot acknowledge it no matter what factual information is put in front of you only demonstrates your own fear and weakness. With that said I will pick through your posts and answer them: And as more and more Muslims like yourself don't stand up against this kind of stuff why are you so upset and surprised that non-Muslims react this way? They are led to believe you are ALL for this kind of stuff because rather than speaking out against it, you seem to justify it. Good Muslims gave their lives in a horrible way to stand up against the very thing that you apply across the board to all Muslims. At a minimum you owe them a simple thank you unless you are willing to pick up a weapon and stand the wall? Didnt think so. A simple thanks will suffice then. You aren't very objective. Objective? It is one thing to risk the death penalty in California, where you are 90% likely to die of old age. It is quite another to risk a sure death to stand up against the likes of Al'Qaeda. The Muslims who were executed standing up to them took their chances and do not deserve your anti-Muslim comments. First of all, most executions are chemical where the person is anesthetized first so they won't feel anything. Second when they did use the chair it was not "shocking him over and over". It was a lethal shock but even then they way we have sought to become more humane in the process we have tried to make the person unaware of the procedure chemically. The purpose of such methods were not meant to be torture. That is UNLIKE a three day execution OR a bloody beheading. Even in the Guillotine era death was swift. But our society has judged even that to be brutal and not meant to be a spectacle. Beheading is swift. Which is why it is the preferred method of execution. Ole sparky was not always meaning rarely lethal the first time (LOL are you KIDDING me trying to describe how humane the electric chair was? this is not the first time Prax that you have mistaken me for ignorant) which is why it has been retired. Firing squads were still used up to 3-4 years ago as ole Ronnie Lee found out back in 2010 (Utah? chilling thought - maybe the soon to be new president will start that back up?). I guess it depends on how good a shot the triggerman is but it is suspected that it is possible that perhaps the first shot may not have gotten the job done the first time. I find it very disturbing when an innocent person get's killed by a US bomb as much as an Israeli or some other person get's blown to bits by an Islamic militant and yes I find it sad that you don't lose any sleep over the use of a sword to cut someone's head off for as little as using drugs. You seem to be desensitized to such viscous and brutal forms of execution. How many have you witnessed? Using drugs gets you lashed. It is dealing or running drugs that gets you executed. It's clearly written down. When a government writes down that drug smugglers get executed and drug smugglers try to smuggle them anyway and get executed for it (drug smuggling isnt btw mentioned in the Quran either so where do you get off tying this to religion again?) then they fairly bought the ticket and took the ride. In your excitement to describe all the wonderful and humane ways to execute death penalty inmates I caught a tiny impression that, like the drone shots used to blow up people who have had no trial or hearing, you sleep peacefully in your belief that you are somehow different because you do the same thing more humanely. This dude is in a pretty bad fix. Shame. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-cannabis.html If Germans surrendered, we took them and fed them. Otherwise in the course of a war when enemy combatants have not disarmed, yes deaths do occur Now you have wandered away from the truth again. I am not sure if your statements are deliberate lies or if you really are unaware of what happened to captured German officers on the battlefield. Where did you say you are from? Public school education you said? Skipped history lessons? German officers or suspected spies were tied to a post, a black cloth was put over their head, a group of men lined up in front of them, and they were shot. It's posted in black and white all over utube dude. I considered copying and pasting the links but will leave you to google "execution of german officers" if you wish to educate yourself and you can choose to check for yourself or not. It's pretty graphic and I suspect some of your peers right here on this site may know anyway so you are free to educate yourself on your own time. Nor is it randomly. There is a process of intel and identification that goes on to identify the enemy. Afghanistan is a combat zone. At least 30 members of an Afghan wedding party were killed and many more wounded when a U.S. plane bombed a village in the central province of Uruzgan today, Afghan officials and residents said. The bombing happened today in a village in the rugged, mountainous region 175 km (105 miles) northeast of the southern city of Kandahar, residents said. They told the local Pashtu service of the BBC at least 120 people had been either killed or wounded. A Defence Ministry official said celebrants were firing into the air, as is traditional in Pashtun weddings. "There was no-one to help last night," resident Abdul Saboor told the BBC. "We managed to transfer some of the wounded to Kandahar in the morning. Some of the foreigners' choppers also came to help. "There are no Taliban or al Qaeda or Arabs here. These people were all civilians, women and children." OOPS Please show me where I supported that. I think it was horrible. The Israeli government is not perfect and have a lot of things to answer for just as many past US Administrations have to. Show me where (I) or any Muslim you know support crucifixion of other Muslims who are doing the necessary to fight Al'Qaeda. Otherwise don't interpret my comments about you applying these actions to all Muslims (which is personally directed towards you) as support for what happened to those brave Muslims who gave their lives protecting YOU. You don't like Jews do you? I highly resent it when a Jew gets away with cold-blooded murder of an unarmed American woman without comment just because he is a Jew. So no I do not like that one nor do I like the position of the Jewish government or courts afterwards when they basically gave her family the finger. Replace "Jewish" with "anyone else who runs over an unarmed American woman with a bulldozer (then backs over her to make sure the job was really done)" and they can join the line with this bulldozer-wielding hero. |
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Feel free to buy yourself a ticket junior. Just dont cry if your feelings get hurt
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Yes America needs to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq now. We have done enough damage. There used to be Churches in Afghanistan before we got there. I understand now there are none. It was supposed to be about getting BinLaden. Hes dead. We way, way overreeached. Now its all about our version of making it a better place for them to live. So unreal.
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W.I.I. has been cordial. You can not refute so you resort to this? BWAHAHAHA! |
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For someone with so much to say about "pedophiles" you are strangely silent on the subject at hand. You were politely invited to share your thoughts sport.
Have at it. I dont think you belong on this playground or in this particular sandbox but since you spoke up I reckon you should get a chance to take the floor. Quote:
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most likely wii is just a phony provacatuer who works in arabic countries for the oil companies ,thereby the" walks shtick", he married an arab so he has to do the manly support thing ,he hates america but loves to cash our checks.
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We are a diverse group of individuals here. That's good. |
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what if we dragged every muslim out, legally, and beat them up...we can just say "well we do things differently here than you do over there"...The fact that it's done differently in one area or another is irrelevant. Quote:
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Why do you crucify people? Was it an arbitrary decision by a secular government or is it a religious teaching of Islam? Beheadings? Amputations? I already quoted the News source. The Yemen government never did such a thing. This was an Islamic based punishment in accordance with Shariah law Quote:
What Yemeni policy? This was NOT the actions of the Yemeni government. I already posted that information. Quote:
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That is what I had been saying. Had you just stood and posted "I find these executions deplorable" , you would have deserved an AMEN! But you did not and you seemed to justify them when you lamented that the US also executes spys...nothing said about how brutal a 3 day crucifixion was from you Quote:
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The death penalty can be imposed for a wide range of offences[2] including murder, rape, armed robbery, repeated drug use, apostasy,[3] adultery,[4] witchcraft and sorcery[5] and can be carried out by beheading with a sword, or more rarely by firing squad, and sometimes by stoning. The 345 reported executions between 2007 and 2010 were all carried out by public beheading.[6] The last reported execution for sorcery took place in 2012.[7] There were no reports of stoning between 2007 and 2010,[6] but between 1981 and 1992 there were four cases of execution by stoning reported.[8] Crucifixion of the beheaded body is sometimes ordered.[5] For example, in 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that "An Abha court has sentenced the leader of an armed gang to death and three-day crucifixion (public displaying of the beheaded body) and six other gang members to beheading for their role in jewelry store robberies in Asir."[9] In 2003, Muhammad Saad al-Beshi, whom the BBC described as "Saudi Arabia's leading executioner", gave a rare interview to Arab News.[3] He described his first execution in 1998: "The criminal was tied and blindfolded. With one stroke of the sword I severed his head. It rolled metres away...People are amazed how fast [the sword] can separate the head from the body."[3] He also said that before an execution he visits the victim's family to seek forgiveness for the criminal, which can lead to the criminal's life being spared.[3] Once an execution goes ahead, his only conversation with the prisoner is to tell him or her to recite the Muslim declaration of belief, the Shahada.[3] "When they get to the execution square, their strength drains away. Then I read the execution order, and at a signal I cut the prisoner's head off," he said.[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital...n_Saudi_Arabia Anyone carrying an amount of drugs for their personal use can be said to be a dealer With one of the world’s highest rates of illegal drug use, particularly opium, it is not unknown for Iranian pilgrims to carry drugs for personal use while travelling to Saudi Arabia for the annual Haj pilgrimage in Mecca. Iranian media say many have been arrested after Saudi law enforcement officers found them to be possessing narcotics. Officials in Iran have previously warned pilgrims that they could be hanged or beheaded if found carrying just one gram of illicit drugs in Saudi Arabia. They have advised users not to travel to the Haj before they have cured their addiction. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...g-7848550.html Quote:
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If a criminal comes out with a gun instead of surrendering and is a threat to the police and innocents then yes I support the necessary actions to immediately stop that person. Do I find it unsettling that person died? Yes Same goes for the armed Taliban/Al Quada forces in Afghanistan and other areas. I find it bothersome that their deaths happened and had they surrendered so they can have a trial, their deaths would not have happened during a war. As I said, same thing happened when we fought Nazi Germany. Some gave up and others did not Quote:
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My Jewish buddies? You don't like Jews? Do you have any Jewish buddies? You did not say :"Your buddies in the Israeli government" which would have been pretty asinine as if I know anyone in the Israeli government, nor did you specify that one soldier, as if I knew him too You generically says "Jews" |
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WII, do you or do you NOT agree with what happened to those Muslims by the non Yemeni governmental group to crucify that man for 3 days?
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I DO hear some noise but not from crickets I guess someone hopped off of coadie's lap and onto another. Do you have something to add to this discussion? Here is my answer: Notification from US Consulate Dhahran last week: http://riyadh.usembassy.gov/amcitmessages.html Riyadh, Shawwal 8, 1433, August 26, 2012, SPA - The Security spokesman at the Interior Ministry stated that the concerned security authorities monitored over several months the activities of suspicious elements having contact with the deviant “Takfiri” organization abroad, noting that it has been clear from the follow-up that these elements formed a terrorist cell in Riyadh advertising for deviant thought, and recruiting members to carry out criminal operations targeting security men, citizens, residents, and public facilities. The Spokesman said, “Through the intensification of follow-up of these elements, it has become clear that they have reached an advanced stage in the quest to achieve their goals, including the preparation and equipping of explosives to be tested outside the city of Riyadh, which led to the injury of one of them with burns and amputation of his fingers, as they have worked for communicating with the deviant organization abroad in preparation for the start of their distinctive criminal operations. The Spokesman said that security forces have arrested a citizen heading this cell who gave detailed information about its members, plans and equipment that have been prepared and identities used in their communication with the deviant organization, and others who are similar to them such as Al-Assad Alhasour, Fares Al Maarakah, Nimr Al-Jihad and Abu Jandal Al- Yamani. He indicated that this has resulted in the arrest of six members of this cell, all of them Yemenis, adding that investigations with these elements, have been completed and their confessions were approved according to Sharia. Three locations, one of them is a room attached to a mosque in the city of Riyadh, were searched and chemicals used to manufacture explosives and booby-trapped mobiles to be used through remote detonations, documents and cash were found and impounded, the Spokesman said. It is also in the context of investigations based on the background of these facts, links of this cell have been found with another cell in Jeddah. One of its elements, a Saudi national, was arrested. He was working on the preparation and testing of chemical explosives, according to this statements certified within the framework of Sharia. The subject is still under security follow-up. On the basis of (what is mentioned) above, the specialized security authorities want to summon citizen Saleh Mohammed Abdulrahman Al-Suhaibani and citizen Ali Nasser Abdullah Al Arar Asiri, who are in hiding, to clarify the facts of their positions. Their families have been informed about this. As the Ministry of Interior announces the detection and thwarting of these terrorist plots targeting the homeland and its resources, the Ministry calls on anyone who knows any information about them to inform about them on the number (990) or to the nearest security authority. At the same time, the Ministry warns anyone who harbors or deals with them from falling under legal accountability. When these men are caught, and if crucifixion is chosen for their execution, and it is public, then I will not lose a single bit of sleep over it. It was fairly earned. Quote:
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like i said, he wont say it because he approves of the violence like they all do !
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As a Christian I have no problem saying I disagree with certain actions by other Christians.
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You must have missed the post about the (2) guys that the Saudis are looking for. They are probably and likely Muslims and yet I strongly disagree with the direction that they have chosen (bombmaking I believe).
Hopefully their executions are public. They will get a chance to pray before the sword falls and that is also the law. When they are executed you will probably say from one fork of your tongue that Muslims are so so violent and with the other that Muslims don't stand up to extremists and terrorists. Just declare once and for all that you believe all Muslims are bad no matter what they do and move on. Geeze already. You may also amuse yourself (and me) by then pinning the actions of those who execute the bombmakers AND the bombmakers on me even though they are currently thousands of miles away. I otherwise and honestly believe that you and your buddy have selective vision or something LOL. I can come out and directly say the very thing that you declare I wont say and you will post just under it that it was not said and didnt happen. That narrow and bigoted mindset is quite funny to me. Quote:
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But here you are confusing breaking the law and punishment with Muslims in general speaking up and condemning terrorism and the acts of Extremists such as those 3 day crucifixions by non governmental agencies Quote:
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Question for the walks in Islam, what has Allah done for you?
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Well WII was supposed to be limited to discussing Islamic stuff in an area made for that.
But we have always allowed non- Apostolics to participate but if they want to promote their non Apostolic views that was to be limited to certain areas. I have tried to be patient with people like Wii |
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