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Michael The Disciple 08-30-2012 06:55 AM

Video Of Muslim Crucifiction
 
Very graphic. Be advised.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/shocking-...c-crucifixion/

trialedbyfire 08-30-2012 07:13 AM

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No... not the peace-loving muslims...

canam 08-30-2012 09:26 AM

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:thumbsup

canam 08-30-2012 09:30 AM

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and these guys are obama supporters and working there way into the dem party

Sam 08-30-2012 09:49 AM

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"Islam is a religion of peace."
GWB

Walks_in_islam 08-31-2012 08:39 AM

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This has nothing to do with religion.

The death penalty is applied to spies in the US as well.

Foreigners who are caught running drugs into Saudi are put in an open courtyard in Riyadh and have their heads lopped off in public. If you lop off drug runners heads in public you get very, very few drug runners. Take note of this.


A nod to your 'pals' over in Isreal who executed your "savior" for doing nothing. Instead of outrage you people celebrate this every year.

What hypocrites.

Praxeas 08-31-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1185951)
This has nothing to do with religion.

The death penalty is applied to spies in the US as well.

Foreigners who are caught running drugs into Saudi are put in an open courtyard in Riyadh and have their heads lopped off in public. If you lop off drug runners heads in public you get very, very few drug runners. Take note of this.


A nod to your 'pals' over in Isreal who executed your "savior" for doing nothing. Instead of outrage you people celebrate this every year.

What hypocrites.

Walks, had you stood up as a moderate Muslim and condemned this act, Im sure more non-Muslims would have more respect for you and Islam. But you don't! Instead you lash out as if you defend these acts.

Now from the News article this did indeed have to do with religion, the Islamic Religion you claim to follow

According to a report by Lebanon Today translated into English, the Yemeni jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah took control of the Azzan area of Yemen and imposed Islamic law, or Shariah.

In the process, the group crucified three men, accusing them of being agents for the U.S. The executions reportedly took place several months ago.

Former PLO operative turned terrorism analyst Walid Shoebat says the inscription in the photo of one of the victims reads, “He was crucified for three days in accordance to Shariah.”


“One they nicknamed ‘Captain’ was executed by crucifixion for three days at the entrance to the city of Jaar in the Abyan province, to be viewed by passersby entering and leaving the city.

Second, do you know the last time we executed a spy? First of all we have due process and rather than operating by mob rule and dragging someone off the street and executing them without a long judicial process designed to give them a FAIR trial.

“‘In Afghanistan, the ones who receive this type of executions are those who are considered spies. But in Yemen this is the first time we have seen such phenomenon, which has become a natural thing now because al-Qaida now exercises the powers of the state and it’s natural that it carries out such executions.”

So WII? Do you support Al Qaida because the previous islamic government was not crucifying people but now Al Qaida is? You clearly support beheading people for their crimes in a public display of brutal ,gruesome and bloody justice.

Oh, and what kind of person would point to the people in Israel as the ones that crucified Jesus? That is absolutely asinine. You've got to be kidding. The crucifixion occurred nearly 2000 years ago. We don't approve of crucifixion. But it was His death that cleanses us from sin and made the covenant with God. How he died is irrelevant to us.

We celebrate His willing submission to God and the Roman authorities to put him to death, not the method.

We view what happened to Jesus as equally brutal, gruesome and bloody as your Islamic methods of justice.

Oh and before you go comparing how the church USED to be, just remember that is how the church USED to be. We don't approve of such methods either, but you Islamists are stuck in that age.

It's people like you WII, that causes the fear, irrational or deserved, of Islamics here in America, for fear they will try to impose your Sharia laws

Praxeas 08-31-2012 12:32 PM

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BTW Im sure you realize that desperate governments like Saddam's and others, will execute an innocent person to send a message to the real thugs.

canam 08-31-2012 01:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1186001)
Walks, had you stood up as a moderate Muslim and condemned this act, Im sure more non-Muslims would have more respect for you and Islam. But you don't! Instead you lash out as if you defend these acts.

Now from the News article this did indeed have to do with religion, the Islamic Religion you claim to follow

According to a report by Lebanon Today translated into English, the Yemeni jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah took control of the Azzan area of Yemen and imposed Islamic law, or Shariah.

In the process, the group crucified three men, accusing them of being agents for the U.S. The executions reportedly took place several months ago.

Former PLO operative turned terrorism analyst Walid Shoebat says the inscription in the photo of one of the victims reads, “He was crucified for three days in accordance to Shariah.”


“One they nicknamed ‘Captain’ was executed by crucifixion for three days at the entrance to the city of Jaar in the Abyan province, to be viewed by passersby entering and leaving the city.

Second, do you know the last time we executed a spy? First of all we have due process and rather than operating by mob rule and dragging someone off the street and executing them without a long judicial process designed to give them a FAIR trial.

“‘In Afghanistan, the ones who receive this type of executions are those who are considered spies. But in Yemen this is the first time we have seen such phenomenon, which has become a natural thing now because al-Qaida now exercises the powers of the state and it’s natural that it carries out such executions.”

So WII? Do you support Al Qaida because the previous islamic government was not crucifying people but now Al Qaida is? You clearly support beheading people for their crimes in a public display of brutal ,gruesome and bloody justice.

Oh, and what kind of person would point to the people in Israel as the ones that crucified Jesus? That is absolutely asinine. You've got to be kidding. The crucifixion occurred nearly 2000 years ago. We don't approve of crucifixion. But it was His death that cleanses us from sin and made the covenant with God. How he died is irrelevant to us.

We celebrate His willing submission to God and the Roman authorities to put him to death, not the method.

We view what happened to Jesus as equally brutal, gruesome and bloody as your Islamic methods of justice.

Oh and before you go comparing how the church USED to be, just remember that is how the church USED to be. We don't approve of such methods either, but you Islamists are stuck in that age.

It's people like you WII, that causes the fear, irrational or deserved, of Islamics here in America, for fear they will try to impose your Sharia laws

:yourock thanks prax thats why i waited for you i knew you would take care of this little piece

Bro. Robbins 08-31-2012 01:40 PM

Re: Video Of Muslim Crucifiction
 
Looking at those images are horrible, apalling, and so very disturbing. And then I think that our Lord went through that very act of being crucified, and in my opinion, an even much more horrific fashion..... and all because he wanted to rescue me.

Sam 08-31-2012 04:22 PM

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that is one method of the death penalty.
others are stoning, lethal injection, electric chair, firing squad, hanging, etc.

Walks_in_islam 09-01-2012 04:31 PM

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My posts are not made with the slightest concern as to what you or your peers may or may not think of me. On some things we agree, on some we dont. I do not agree, in this case, that the outrage is warranted.

With this in mind: That wasnt a lash. That was a comment that spies are executed in Yemen just like they are executed here. I am a bit tired of you and your colleagues looking overseas and posting critical remarks about problems over there without, again, cleaning out your own backyards. They do things differently over there. You may not think it is right but crucifixian is an accepted method of punishment by death penalty under the law.

Putting some poor schmuck in a chair, hooking electrodes up to him, and shocking him over and over while watching him twitch and vomit all over himself was taken.

I have nothing to do with Al Qaida. I lose as little sleep over some druggie getting his head chopped as you lose over some villager up in the pakastani mountains getting summarily executed with a random bomb. The druggie does get a chance to wash and pray before he sticks his neck out.

On the issue of fair trials. Do you to read a book called "Dreams of Ada" or even better a book called "The Innocent Man (more recommended because you will know the author, John Grisham) then come back to me and tell me about the fair trials given to those on death row right here. Nothing to do with religion, but about (4) innocent people put on death row by the same prosecuter.

Now lets talk about modern christians. You don't lose a single iota of sleep or express outrage or wave your standards of fairness when islamic 'extremists' who have never been to court and who are nowhere near America, Americans, or American interests get randomly blown to bits in some faraway overseas village. This is who and what you are NOW and TODAY and matches who and what you were THEN and in the PAST. You have much to say of trials and fairnesss only when some spies get executed by Muslims and nothing to say when Muslims get summarily executed on sight by bombs and guns. So this makes you any different from those who hacked their way through Jerusalem during the Crusades? I think not.

About your jewish buddies: Do you know who Rachel Corrie is? She is the girl from Washington State who was run down (then backed over) with a bulldozer by an Israeli soldior when she was protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza. Their comments: "There are no civilians in war". Get this and this has nothing to do with religion Prax: In Texas we don't run over unarmed women with heavy machinery. If we need someone moved, we man up and move them. Not only do you not give "fair trials" to the "extremists" that are summarily executed around the world, you support outright murder of our own by your Jewish pals. That girl for SURE didnt get a trial but that's their law.

Summary: I still call the comments about the article hypocritical

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1186001)
Walks, had you stood up as a moderate Muslim and condemned this act, Im sure more non-Muslims would have more respect for you and Islam. But you don't! Instead you lash out as if you defend these acts.

Now from the News article this did indeed have to do with religion, the Islamic Religion you claim to follow

According to a report by Lebanon Today translated into English, the Yemeni jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah took control of the Azzan area of Yemen and imposed Islamic law, or Shariah.

In the process, the group crucified three men, accusing them of being agents for the U.S. The executions reportedly took place several months ago.

Former PLO operative turned terrorism analyst Walid Shoebat says the inscription in the photo of one of the victims reads, “He was crucified for three days in accordance to Shariah.”


“One they nicknamed ‘Captain’ was executed by crucifixion for three days at the entrance to the city of Jaar in the Abyan province, to be viewed by passersby entering and leaving the city.

Second, do you know the last time we executed a spy? First of all we have due process and rather than operating by mob rule and dragging someone off the street and executing them without a long judicial process designed to give them a FAIR trial.

“‘In Afghanistan, the ones who receive this type of executions are those who are considered spies. But in Yemen this is the first time we have seen such phenomenon, which has become a natural thing now because al-Qaida now exercises the powers of the state and it’s natural that it carries out such executions.”

So WII? Do you support Al Qaida because the previous islamic government was not crucifying people but now Al Qaida is? You clearly support beheading people for their crimes in a public display of brutal ,gruesome and bloody justice.

Oh, and what kind of person would point to the people in Israel as the ones that crucified Jesus? That is absolutely asinine. You've got to be kidding. The crucifixion occurred nearly 2000 years ago. We don't approve of crucifixion. But it was His death that cleanses us from sin and made the covenant with God. How he died is irrelevant to us.

We celebrate His willing submission to God and the Roman authorities to put him to death, not the method.

We view what happened to Jesus as equally brutal, gruesome and bloody as your Islamic methods of justice.

Oh and before you go comparing how the church USED to be, just remember that is how the church USED to be. We don't approve of such methods either, but you Islamists are stuck in that age.

It's people like you WII, that causes the fear, irrational or deserved, of Islamics here in America, for fear they will try to impose your Sharia laws


houston 09-01-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1186205)
My posts are not made with the slightest concern as to what you or your peers may or may not think of me. On some things we agree, on some we dont. I do not agree, in this case, that the outrage is warranted.

With this in mind: That wasnt a lash. That was a comment that spies are executed in Yemen just like they are executed here. I am a bit tired of you and your colleagues looking overseas and posting critical remarks about problems over there without, again, cleaning out your own backyards. They do things differently over there. You may not think it is right but crucifixian is an accepted method of punishment by death penalty under the law.

Putting some poor schmuck in a chair, hooking electrodes up to him, and shocking him over and over while watching him twitch and vomit all over himself was taken.

I have nothing to do with Al Qaida. I lose as little sleep over some druggie getting his head chopped as you lose over some villager up in the pakastani mountains getting summarily executed with a random bomb. The druggie does get a chance to wash and pray before he sticks his neck out.

On the issue of fair trials. Do you to read a book called "Dreams of Ada" or even better a book called "The Innocent Man (more recommended because you will know the author, John Grisham) then come back to me and tell me about the fair trials given to those on death row right here. Nothing to do with religion, but about (4) innocent people put on death row by the same prosecuter.

Now lets talk about modern christians. You don't lose a single iota of sleep or express outrage or wave your standards of fairness when islamic 'extremists' who have never been to court and who are nowhere near America, Americans, or American interests get randomly blown to bits in some faraway overseas village. This is who and what you are NOW and TODAY and matches who and what you were THEN and in the PAST. You have much to say of trials and fairnesss only when some spies get executed by Muslims and nothing to say when Muslims get summarily executed on sight by bombs and guns. So this makes you any different from those who hacked their way through Jerusalem during the Crusades? I think not.

About your jewish buddies: Do you know who Rachel Corrie is? She is the girl from Washington State who was run down (then backed over) with a bulldozer by an Israeli soldior when she was protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza. Their comments: "There are no civilians in war". Get this and this has nothing to do with religion Prax: In Texas we don't run over unarmed women with heavy machinery. If we need someone moved, we man up and move them. Not only do you not give "fair trials" to the "extremists" that are summarily executed around the world, you support outright murder of our own by your Jewish pals. That girl for SURE didnt get a trial but that's their law.

Summary: I still call the comments about the article hypocritical

Well stated. :)

UnTraditional 09-02-2012 01:07 PM

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I would comment, but what I have to say would offend a certain poster who travels with a pedophile religion... Ooops, said it anyway.

Praxeas 09-02-2012 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1186205)
My posts are not made with the slightest concern as to what you or your peers may or may not think of me. On some things we agree, on some we dont. I do not agree, in this case, that the outrage is warranted.

And as more and more Muslims like yourself don't stand up against this kind of stuff why are you so upset and surprised that non-Muslims react this way? They are led to believe you are ALL for this kind of stuff because rather than speaking out against it, you seem to justify it.

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With this in mind: That wasnt a lash. That was a comment that spies are executed in Yemen just like they are executed here.
Uh, no.

As I said, we have an extensive justice system that ensures the rights of the accused to a fair trial plus appeals process

If you read the article this was not the government putting this man to death. It was a jihadist group that had taken over an area of Yemen

They crucified the man for THREE DAYS. That is not comparable to putting a man to death in the states. And it was not a gruesome three day public event

While Executions by the Federal Government is allowed, it's also very rare (and opposed to by many many Americans)

The issue with the video was not that it was punishment for spying but the fact it was videod, the fact it was public, the fact the method was brutal and gruesome and that it was for 3 days.

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I am a bit tired of you and your colleagues looking overseas and posting critical remarks about problems over there without, again, cleaning out your own backyards.
You aren't very objective. We and my "colleagues" post about stuff that is happening here in America too! And we discuss it and and speak out against it.

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They do things differently over there. You may not think it is right but crucifixian is an accepted method of punishment by death penalty under the law.
Yes we know that. That is exactly WHY it becomes news just as your beheadings. Do you really believe people overseas never hear about what goes on in the States? It's the fact that it is acceptable that makes it an issue. It's the fact that beheadings are still acceptable over there that makes it news worthy.

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Putting some poor schmuck in a chair, hooking electrodes up to him, and shocking him over and over while watching him twitch and vomit all over himself was taken.
First of all, most executions are chemical where the person is anesthetized first so they won't feel anything. Second when they did use the chair it was not "shocking him over and over". It was a lethal shock but even then they way we have sought to become more humane in the process we have tried to make the person unaware of the procedure chemically. The purpose of such methods were not meant to be torture. That is UNLIKE a three day execution OR a bloody beheading. Even in the Guillotine era death was swift. But our society has judged even that to be brutal and not meant to be a spectacle.

These executions are not televised or done in public square and if they were most Americans would probably protest just as many protest the death penalty now

But we CAN protest....you can't. Because this was a RELIGIOUS act and not a governmental act or a government acting as a religious authority. I already posted this once before

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Yemeni jihadist group Ansar al-Shariah took control of the Azzan area of Yemen and imposed Islamic law, or Shariah.

In the process, the group crucified three men, accusing them of being agents for the U.S. The executions reportedly took place several months ago.

Former PLO operative turned terrorism analyst Walid Shoebat says the inscription in the photo of one of the victims reads, “He was crucified for three days in accordance to Shariah.”

“One they nicknamed ‘Captain’ was executed by crucifixion for three days at the entrance to the city of Jaar in the Abyan province, to be viewed by passersby entering and leaving the city.

“‘In Afghanistan, the ones who receive this type of executions are those who are considered spies. But in Yemen this is the first time we have seen such phenomenon, which has become a natural thing now because al-Qaida now exercises the powers of the state and it’s natural that it carries out such executions.”
No but you are indirectly supporting them but NOT speaking out and using your "You do it too" method of posting.

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I have nothing to do with Al Qaida. I lose as little sleep over some druggie getting his head chopped as you lose over some villager up in the pakastani mountains getting summarily executed with a random bomb. The druggie does get a chance to wash and pray before he sticks his neck out.
I find it very disturbing when an innocent person get's killed by a US bomb as much as an Israeli or some other person get's blown to bits by an Islamic militant and yes I find it sad that you don't lose any sleep over the use of a sword to cut someone's head off for as little as using drugs. You seem to be desensitized to such viscous and brutal forms of execution. How many have you witnessed?

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On the issue of fair trials. Do you to read a book called "Dreams of Ada" or even better a book called "The Innocent Man (more recommended because you will know the author, John Grisham) then come back to me and tell me about the fair trials given to those on death row right here. Nothing to do with religion, but about (4) innocent people put on death row by the same prosecuter.
For the most part our judicial system is not run by a group of religious thugs and we have a system of checks and balances. And for THIS reason the Death Penalty is opposed by many people in the US...how about in Yemen or Saudi Arabia? Does anyone oppose these brutal forms of execution? Or can they?

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Now lets talk about modern christians. You don't lose a single iota of sleep or express outrage or wave your standards of fairness when islamic 'extremists' who have never been to court and who are nowhere near America, Americans, or American interests get randomly blown to bits in some faraway overseas village.
US forces, not the church, try to apprehend as many of these extremists as possible. But you have your apples and oranges mixed up. These are government actions by a secular government that is not adhering to a religious text of laws. You are also mixing your apples and oranges by comparing and execution as a legal remedy to breaking a law to a war. Nazi Germany was no where near America either. If Germans surrendered, we took them and fed them. Otherwise in the course of a war when enemy combatants have not disarmed, yes deaths do occur

Nor is it randomly. There is a process of intel and identification that goes on to identify the enemy. Afghanistan is a combat zone.

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This is who and what you are NOW and TODAY and matches who and what you were THEN and in the PAST. You have much to say of trials and fairnesss only when some spies get executed by Muslims and nothing to say when Muslims get summarily executed on sight by bombs and guns. So this makes you any different from those who hacked their way through Jerusalem during the Crusades? I think not.
No as I laid out earlier, Christianity and Western societies have changed and continue to change. Our governments can change because they are not forced to follow a religious text.

In America EVERY citizen, Muslim or not, get's the same protections under the law. While ordinary citizens have protested the building of a Mosque the government protected their rights and it was built. Nor do all Americans or Christians agree with those that protest.

That is how we are different. WE stand up and oppose or speak out about wrongs or injustices.

Most of the Muslims being killed are combatants and when an innocent dies it is regrettable and even our leaders will apologize and admit how regrettable it is.

But what about Muslims? You Muslims randomly blow up targets that are often nothing more than citizens, non combatants without weapons like on a bus. Or car bombs where there are no military targets remotely close. Do your Muslims colleagues stand up and lament how terrible it was for that to happen and to ensure they will investigate the process so that it does not happen again?

Do you? Do they? Do your governments stand up and speak up every time a Muslim kills other Muslims? Jews? Christians, because they ARE Jews or Christians and not military combatants?

Our government is NOT a religious institution. We don't institute Religious laws as guidance to execute people or kill Muslims, Jews or Christians.

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About your jewish buddies:
You don't like Jews do you?

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Do you know who Rachel Corrie is? She is the girl from Washington State who was run down (then backed over) with a bulldozer by an Israeli soldior when she was protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza. Their comments: "There are no civilians in war". Get this and this has nothing to do with religion Prax:
And I think that is TERRIBLE. And you are right, It has nothing to do with religion. The Israeli government is NOT a religious government implementing a set of religious laws everyone has to follow. But you made that about ALL Jews when in reality it was about an Israeli soldier and the Israeli government. Many Jews in the US and other places would just as much find that action deplorable and rather than make excuses, speak out against it.

What about you?

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In Texas we don't run over unarmed women with heavy machinery.
And if it happens, we speak up!

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If we need someone moved, we man up and move them. Not only do you not give "fair trials" to the "extremists" that are summarily executed around the world, you support outright murder of our own by your Jewish pals. That girl for SURE didnt get a trial but that's their law.

Summary: I still call the comments about the article hypocritical
Please show me where I supported that. I think it was horrible. The Israeli government is not perfect and have a lot of things to answer for just as many past US Administrations have to.

Walks_in_islam 09-03-2012 05:51 AM

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As I said earlier this is Texas and we don't do things the same way here that they do in Isreal or Yemen. You must otherwise be numb if you actually believe I am either upset or surprised that you take the execution of good Muslims and use it to further your anti-Muslim agenda.

My initial comment that this had nothing to do with religion stands and do not mistake my comments towards your ongoing anti-muslim agenda while pointing out your hypocracy as sympathy towards the current direction of Yemeni policy. Since you continue to make this about Islam and Muslims I guess I will bite. I have some free time.

Reminder: We talked about this a couple of years ago when you were babbling about how afraid you are that some tent-dwelling Yemeni was going to declare jihad on your small town from his mud hut and I tried to calm your fears by briefing you that on the very day that you were cowering in fear over your keyboard there were brave Muslim (Saudi) soldiers down at the Yemeni border (just) south of us who took up weapons and stood the wall for you. Rather than acknowledging this with a simple thanks you have again convinced yourself that those brave soldiers who were in fact protecting your hometown are actually, due to their religion, part of the problem rather than using the business end of their weapons to be part of the solution.

Since you will not acknowledge this I will cheerfully do it for you. The fact that you cannot acknowledge it no matter what factual information is put in front of you only demonstrates your own fear and weakness.

With that said I will pick through your posts and answer them:

And as more and more Muslims like yourself don't stand up against this kind of stuff why are you so upset and surprised that non-Muslims react this way? They are led to believe you are ALL for this kind of stuff because rather than speaking out against it, you seem to justify it.

Good Muslims gave their lives in a horrible way to stand up against the very thing that you apply across the board to all Muslims. At a minimum you owe them a simple thank you unless you are willing to pick up a weapon and stand the wall? Didnt think so. A simple thanks will suffice then.

You aren't very objective.

Objective? It is one thing to risk the death penalty in California, where you are 90% likely to die of old age. It is quite another to risk a sure death to stand up against the likes of Al'Qaeda. The Muslims who were executed standing up to them took their chances and do not deserve your anti-Muslim comments.

First of all, most executions are chemical where the person is anesthetized first so they won't feel anything. Second when they did use the chair it was not "shocking him over and over". It was a lethal shock but even then they way we have sought to become more humane in the process we have tried to make the person unaware of the procedure chemically. The purpose of such methods were not meant to be torture. That is UNLIKE a three day execution OR a bloody beheading. Even in the Guillotine era death was swift. But our society has judged even that to be brutal and not meant to be a spectacle.

Beheading is swift. Which is why it is the preferred method of execution. Ole sparky was not always meaning rarely lethal the first time (LOL are you KIDDING me trying to describe how humane the electric chair was? this is not the first time Prax that you have mistaken me for ignorant) which is why it has been retired. Firing squads were still used up to 3-4 years ago as ole Ronnie Lee found out back in 2010 (Utah? chilling thought - maybe the soon to be new president will start that back up?). I guess it depends on how good a shot the triggerman is but it is suspected that it is possible that perhaps the first shot may not have gotten the job done the first time.

I find it very disturbing when an innocent person get's killed by a US bomb as much as an Israeli or some other person get's blown to bits by an Islamic militant and yes I find it sad that you don't lose any sleep over the use of a sword to cut someone's head off for as little as using drugs. You seem to be desensitized to such viscous and brutal forms of execution. How many have you witnessed?

Using drugs gets you lashed. It is dealing or running drugs that gets you executed. It's clearly written down. When a government writes down that drug smugglers get executed and drug smugglers try to smuggle them anyway and get executed for it (drug smuggling isnt btw mentioned in the Quran either so where do you get off tying this to religion again?) then they fairly bought the ticket and took the ride. In your excitement to describe all the wonderful and humane ways to execute death penalty inmates I caught a tiny impression that, like the drone shots used to blow up people who have had no trial or hearing, you sleep peacefully in your belief that you are somehow different because you do the same thing more humanely.

This dude is in a pretty bad fix. Shame.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-cannabis.html

If Germans surrendered, we took them and fed them. Otherwise in the course of a war when enemy combatants have not disarmed, yes deaths do occur

Now you have wandered away from the truth again. I am not sure if your statements are deliberate lies or if you really are unaware of what happened to captured German officers on the battlefield. Where did you say you are from? Public school education you said? Skipped history lessons? German officers or suspected spies were tied to a post, a black cloth was put over their head, a group of men lined up in front of them, and they were shot. It's posted in black and white all over utube dude. I considered copying and pasting the links but will leave you to google "execution of german officers" if you wish to educate yourself and you can choose to check for yourself or not. It's pretty graphic and I suspect some of your peers right here on this site may know anyway so you are free to educate yourself on your own time.

Nor is it randomly. There is a process of intel and identification that goes on to identify the enemy. Afghanistan is a combat zone.

At least 30 members of an Afghan wedding party were killed and many more wounded when a U.S. plane bombed a village in the central province of Uruzgan today, Afghan officials and residents said.
The bombing happened today in a village in the rugged, mountainous region 175 km (105 miles) northeast of the southern city of Kandahar, residents said.
They told the local Pashtu service of the BBC at least 120 people had been either killed or wounded.
A Defence Ministry official said celebrants were firing into the air, as is traditional in Pashtun weddings.
"There was no-one to help last night," resident Abdul Saboor told the BBC. "We managed to transfer some of the wounded to Kandahar in the morning. Some of the foreigners' choppers also came to help.
"There are no Taliban or al Qaeda or Arabs here. These people were all civilians, women and children."


OOPS

Please show me where I supported that. I think it was horrible. The Israeli government is not perfect and have a lot of things to answer for just as many past US Administrations have to.

Show me where (I) or any Muslim you know support crucifixion of other Muslims who are doing the necessary to fight Al'Qaeda. Otherwise don't interpret my comments about you applying these actions to all Muslims (which is personally directed towards you) as support for what happened to those brave Muslims who gave their lives protecting YOU.

You don't like Jews do you?

I highly resent it when a Jew gets away with cold-blooded murder of an unarmed American woman without comment just because he is a Jew. So no I do not like that one nor do I like the position of the Jewish government or courts afterwards when they basically gave her family the finger. Replace "Jewish" with "anyone else who runs over an unarmed American woman with a bulldozer (then backs over her to make sure the job was really done)" and they can join the line with this bulldozer-wielding hero.

Walks_in_islam 09-03-2012 05:59 AM

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Feel free to buy yourself a ticket junior. Just dont cry if your feelings get hurt

C'mon. "Skin that smoke wagon and watch what happens" LOL

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional (Post 1186288)
I would comment, but what I have to say would offend a certain poster who travels with a pedophile religion... Ooops, said it anyway.


Michael The Disciple 09-03-2012 06:07 AM

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Yes America needs to get out of Afghanistan and Iraq now. We have done enough damage. There used to be Churches in Afghanistan before we got there. I understand now there are none. It was supposed to be about getting BinLaden. Hes dead. We way, way overreeached. Now its all about our version of making it a better place for them to live. So unreal.

UnTraditional 09-03-2012 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1186367)
Feel free to buy yourself a ticket junior. Just dont cry if your feelings get hurt

C'mon. "Skin that smoke wagon and watch what happens" LOL

Read your posts. See your spirit. Please leave.

houston 09-03-2012 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional (Post 1186369)

Read your posts. See your spirit. Please leave.

Who are YOU to tell anyone to leave?

W.I.I. has been cordial. You can not refute so you resort to this? BWAHAHAHA!

Walks_in_islam 09-03-2012 07:31 AM

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For someone with so much to say about "pedophiles" you are strangely silent on the subject at hand. You were politely invited to share your thoughts sport.

Have at it. I dont think you belong on this playground or in this particular sandbox but since you spoke up I reckon you should get a chance to take the floor.

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Originally Posted by UnTraditional (Post 1186369)
Read your posts. See your spirit. Please leave.


canam 09-03-2012 09:01 AM

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most likely wii is just a phony provacatuer who works in arabic countries for the oil companies ,thereby the" walks shtick", he married an arab so he has to do the manly support thing ,he hates america but loves to cash our checks.

Sam 09-03-2012 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1186371)
Who are YOU to tell anyone to leave?...

Who is any of us to tell any other person to leave?

We are a diverse group of individuals here.
That's good.

Praxeas 09-03-2012 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1186366)
As I said earlier this is Texas and we don't do things the same way here that they do in Isreal or Yemen.

I think everyone knows we do things differently...isn't that WHY it's newsworthy?

what if we dragged every muslim out, legally, and beat them up...we can just say "well we do things differently here than you do over there"...The fact that it's done differently in one area or another is irrelevant.

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You must otherwise be numb if you actually believe I am either upset or surprised that you take the execution of good Muslims and use it to further your anti-Muslim agenda.
So when good muslims are executed it does not upset you?

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My initial comment that this had nothing to do with religion stands
Uh, no it doesn't. This was an action NOT by the Yemeni government but by an extremist group implementing Sharia Law.

Why do you crucify people? Was it an arbitrary decision by a secular government or is it a religious teaching of Islam? Beheadings? Amputations?

I already quoted the News source. The Yemen government never did such a thing. This was an Islamic based punishment in accordance with Shariah law

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and do not mistake my comments towards your ongoing anti-muslim agenda while pointing out your hypocracy as sympathy towards the current direction of Yemeni policy. Since you continue to make this about Islam and Muslims I guess I will bite. I have some free time.
This is an amazing forum. We post negative stuff about Pentecostals and some people say we have an anti-Pentecostal agenda. We post stuff about Democrats and we have an anti-Democrat agenda etc etc..then WII comes along any time something is posted about Islam and we are also all anti-Muslim. LOL.

What Yemeni policy? This was NOT the actions of the Yemeni government. I already posted that information.
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Reminder: We talked about this a couple of years ago when you were babbling about how afraid you are that some tent-dwelling Yemeni was going to declare jihad on your small town from his mud hut and I tried to calm your fears by briefing you that on the very day that you were cowering in fear over your keyboard there were brave Muslim (Saudi) soldiers down at the Yemeni border (just) south of us who took up weapons and stood the wall for you. Rather than acknowledging this with a simple thanks you have again convinced yourself that those brave soldiers who were in fact protecting your hometown are actually, due to their religion, part of the problem rather than using the business end of their weapons to be part of the solution.
Yeah right. Oh yeah I remember that "conversation". lol..it never happened. What a load of camel dung WII.

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Since you will not acknowledge this I will cheerfully do it for you. The fact that you cannot acknowledge it no matter what factual information is put in front of you only demonstrates your own fear and weakness.
Hey, why not do a search and post the link to that "conversation" where I expressed fear of some tent dwelling Yemeni blah blah blah :heeheehee

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With that said I will pick through your posts and answer them:

And as more and more Muslims like yourself don't stand up against this kind of stuff why are you so upset and surprised that non-Muslims react this way? They are led to believe you are ALL for this kind of stuff because rather than speaking out against it, you seem to justify it.

Good Muslims gave their lives in a horrible way to stand up against the very thing that you apply across the board to all Muslims. At a minimum you owe them a simple thank you unless you are willing to pick up a weapon and stand the wall? Didnt think so. A simple thanks will suffice then.
So in other words you won't stand up against these forms of brutal punishments or the actions of extremist groups. No of course not. That is what leads many people to believe that even the so called Moderate muslims really do support their actions. That is why threads like this continue with the presumption and all or most Muslims are the same. Why not just stand up and say "Muslims don't all agree with that kind of stuff. Most of us are Moderate and find the actions of those muslims deplorable."

You don't and it makes people really wonder and believe you support that kind of stuff. If you DO support it, then why not just post "Yes I agree with that stuff" instead of trying to turn the tables on those that post? Are you embarrassed at the behavior of Muslims in the middle east?

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You aren't very objective.

Objective? It is one thing to risk the death penalty in California, where you are 90% likely to die of old age. It is quite another to risk a sure death to stand up against the likes of Al'Qaeda. The Muslims who were executed standing up to them took their chances and do not deserve your anti-Muslim comments.
But you can post anonymously HERE against Al Queda...actually the Muslims that, if they were really Muslims, died in such a way that WE find deplorable. And you have yet to stand up and AGREE. That is the problem. You turn everything into a blanket "anti-muslim" agenda issue when in reality I found THIS act against others deplorable whether they were Muslims or not. I find Muslim on Muslim violence as deplorable as any other but the METHOD in this situation was brutal yet you seemed to JUSTIFY it rather than agree that it was terrible.

That is what I had been saying. Had you just stood and posted "I find these executions deplorable" , you would have deserved an AMEN!

But you did not and you seemed to justify them when you lamented that the US also executes spys...nothing said about how brutal a 3 day crucifixion was from you

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Beheading is swift. Which is why it is the preferred method of execution.
It's preferred because Islamic Law makes it one of the preferred methods. It's a bloody mess and if the guy doing it messes up it's rather brutal. It's done publicly and in addition these people might also often be crucified publicly for days for everyone else to see

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Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabian authorities beheaded four men in February 2007— Sangeeth Kumara, Victor Corea, Ranjith Silva and Sanath Pushpakumara.These four Sri Lankan workers were convicted in a Saudi Arabian court for an armed robbery committed in October 2004. Their deaths sparked reactions from the international human rights group Amnesty International, which called on the Saudi authorities to abolish the death sentence. The court also ruled that the bodies of the four workers be crucified for public view as an example for others. In most such cases the respective embassy is notified only after the execution, thereby eliminating chances for international or diplomatic protest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation

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Ole sparky was not always meaning rarely lethal the first time (LOL are you KIDDING me trying to describe how humane the electric chair was?
Most of the time but again this is why most states of stopped using the chair.

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this is not the first time Prax that you have mistaken me for ignorant) which is why it has been retired.
You are talking about a rarity.

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Firing squads were still used up to 3-4 years ago as ole Ronnie Lee found out back in 2010 (Utah? chilling thought - maybe the soon to be new president will start that back up?).
Right, but not any more. I also find firing squads deplorable as I do the chair as I do CRUCIFIXION for 3 days. See, you take criticisms of how Muslims execute people as anti-Muslim yet I also am against the forms of executions that have occured in the US and in Europe.,.what "anti" does that make me?

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I guess it depends on how good a shot the triggerman is but it is suspected that it is possible that perhaps the first shot may not have gotten the job done the first time.
Yes just as it depends on how good a swing the guy is who swings the sword. I find both rather primitive.

Praxeas 09-03-2012 12:30 PM

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Using drugs gets you lashed. It is dealing or running drugs that gets you executed.
Saudi Arabia has a criminal justice system based on a hardline and literal form of Sharia law due to Islam being the official state religion.
The death penalty can be imposed for a wide range of offences[2] including murder, rape, armed robbery, repeated drug use, apostasy,[3] adultery,[4] witchcraft and sorcery[5] and can be carried out by beheading with a sword, or more rarely by firing squad, and sometimes by stoning.
The 345 reported executions between 2007 and 2010 were all carried out by public beheading.[6] The last reported execution for sorcery took place in 2012.[7] There were no reports of stoning between 2007 and 2010,[6] but between 1981 and 1992 there were four cases of execution by stoning reported.[8]
Crucifixion of the beheaded body is sometimes ordered.[5] For example, in 2009, the Saudi Gazette reported that "An Abha court has sentenced the leader of an armed gang to death and three-day crucifixion (public displaying of the beheaded body) and six other gang members to beheading for their role in jewelry store robberies in Asir."[9]
In 2003, Muhammad Saad al-Beshi, whom the BBC described as "Saudi Arabia's leading executioner", gave a rare interview to Arab News.[3] He described his first execution in 1998: "The criminal was tied and blindfolded. With one stroke of the sword I severed his head. It rolled metres away...People are amazed how fast [the sword] can separate the head from the body."[3] He also said that before an execution he visits the victim's family to seek forgiveness for the criminal, which can lead to the criminal's life being spared.[3] Once an execution goes ahead, his only conversation with the prisoner is to tell him or her to recite the Muslim declaration of belief, the Shahada.[3] "When they get to the execution square, their strength drains away. Then I read the execution order, and at a signal I cut the prisoner's head off," he said.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital...n_Saudi_Arabia


Anyone carrying an amount of drugs for their personal use can be said to be a dealer


With one of the world’s highest rates of illegal drug use, particularly opium, it is not unknown for Iranian pilgrims to carry drugs for personal use while travelling to Saudi Arabia for the annual Haj pilgrimage in Mecca. Iranian media say many have been arrested after Saudi law enforcement officers found them to be possessing narcotics.
Officials in Iran have previously warned pilgrims that they could be hanged or beheaded if found carrying just one gram of illicit drugs in Saudi Arabia. They have advised users not to travel to the Haj before they have cured their addiction.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...g-7848550.html

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It's clearly written down. When a government writes down that drug smugglers get executed and drug smugglers try to smuggle them anyway and get executed for it (drug smuggling isnt btw mentioned in the Quran either so where do you get off tying this to religion again?)
I already showed you. The crucifixions were done by an Islamic extremist group implementing SHARIA LAW.

BTW Do you agree drug dealers should be executed? Adulterers?

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then they fairly bought the ticket and took the ride. In your excitement to describe all the wonderful and humane ways to execute death penalty inmates I caught a tiny impression that, like the drone shots used to blow up people who have had no trial or hearing, you sleep peacefully in your belief that you are somehow different because you do the same thing more humanely.
I don't personally subscribe to the death penalty except in the most extreme unrepented cases of murder, even then Im still undecided and unsettled at any method of execution. I also stated before, and you read it, I find it unsettling that any innocent person should die as a result of war. These things happen in all wars. What is happening in Afghanistan is a continued war with Taliban forces.

If a criminal comes out with a gun instead of surrendering and is a threat to the police and innocents then yes I support the necessary actions to immediately stop that person. Do I find it unsettling that person died? Yes

Same goes for the armed Taliban/Al Quada forces in Afghanistan and other areas. I find it bothersome that their deaths happened and had they surrendered so they can have a trial, their deaths would not have happened during a war. As I said, same thing happened when we fought Nazi Germany. Some gave up and others did not

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Now you have wandered away from the truth again. I am not sure if your statements are deliberate lies or if you really are unaware of what happened to captured German officers on the battlefield. Where did you say you are from? Public school education you said? Skipped history lessons? German officers or suspected spies were tied to a post, a black cloth was put over their head, a group of men lined up in front of them, and they were shot. It's posted in black and white all over utube dude. I considered copying and pasting the links but will leave you to google "execution of german officers" if you wish to educate yourself and you can choose to check for yourself or not. It's pretty graphic and I suspect some of your peers right here on this site may know anyway so you are free to educate yourself on your own time.
So there were no German POWs eh? If any were summarily executed the way you said, that was against the geneva convention


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At least 30 members of an Afghan wedding party were killed and many more wounded when a U.S. plane bombed a village in the central province of Uruzgan today, Afghan officials and residents said.
Right, that was a terrible mistake. Everyone involved admitted as much
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The bombing happened today in a village in the rugged, mountainous region 175 km (105 miles) northeast of the southern city of Kandahar, residents said.
They told the local Pashtu service of the BBC at least 120 people had been either killed or wounded.
A Defence Ministry official said celebrants were firing into the air, as is traditional in Pashtun weddings.
"There was no-one to help last night," resident Abdul Saboor told the BBC. "We managed to transfer some of the wounded to Kandahar in the morning. Some of the foreigners' choppers also came to help.
"There are no Taliban or al Qaeda or Arabs here. These people were all civilians, women and children."

Yep, but again these were terrible mistakes and we own up to them and investigate them to make sure they don't happen again
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Show me where (I) or any Muslim you know support crucifixion of other Muslims who are doing the necessary to fight Al'Qaeda. Otherwise don't interpret my comments about you applying these actions to all Muslims (which is personally directed towards you) as support for what happened to those brave Muslims who gave their lives protecting YOU.
YOU! How? By refusing to do as I suggested and stand up AGAINST what was reported on this thread. Instead you just post stuff what Americans have done or Christians have done. When I suggested you would do better to stand up against it you became even more belligerent. You justified as "they do things different over there"

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You don't like Jews do you?

I highly resent it when a Jew gets away with cold-blooded murder of an unarmed American woman without comment just because he is a Jew.
I resent it when ANYONE does...why does it have to be "jews"? How comes Jews are "My buddies" but not yours?

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So no I do not like that one nor do I like the position of the Jewish government or courts afterwards when they basically gave her family the finger.
no no, you said "About your jewish buddies: "

My Jewish buddies? You don't like Jews? Do you have any Jewish buddies? You did not say :"Your buddies in the Israeli government" which would have been pretty asinine as if I know anyone in the Israeli government, nor did you specify that one soldier, as if I knew him too

You generically says "Jews"

Praxeas 09-03-2012 01:06 PM

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WII, do you or do you NOT agree with what happened to those Muslims by the non Yemeni governmental group to crucify that man for 3 days?

Simple question.

Walks_in_islam 09-07-2012 02:27 AM

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Your answers

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1186400)

I already showed you. The crucifixions were done by an Islamic extremist group implementing SHARIA LAW.

Sorry about the delay. Business trip. San Diego. Nice town. Dude you need to wiki this if necessary - Yemen is already governed under "SHARIA LAW". Has been firmly implemented for decades and decades. SO: Claiming that this is suddenly "new implementation of 'SHARIA LAW" might be a teeeny bit misleading. You then rail at me because Muslims do not stand up against extremism while posting and commenting on an article about Muslims who not only stood up but lost their lives in a particularly nasty way fighting it and what does that make you? Because you fail to either recognize or acknowledge this it leaves the general impression that you dislike them all and that is fine - but continually accusing all Muslims (including me) of being involved in and supporting these activities while failing to acknowledge that the dead WERE Muslims who were, not in words, but in actions fighting it only implies that you have a problem with Muslims in general. THAT is what makes you look anti-Muslim. When you are able to acknowledge that those dead Muslims are good people doing good and right then that impression may change.

BTW Do you agree drug dealers should be executed? Adulterers?

You do not? Because if you say you do not, then you are stating to God himself that the laws He personally penned for Moses were wrong and it is not I but Him you challenge. Who are we to question them? It is for this reason alone that I have no comment to your question. As I stated in earlier post I do not lose sleep when said laws are properly applied

I don't personally subscribe to the death penalty except in the most extreme unrepented cases of murder, even then Im still undecided and unsettled at any method of execution. I also stated before, and you read it, I find it unsettling that any innocent person should die as a result of war. These things happen in all wars. What is happening in Afghanistan is a continued war with Taliban forces.

When spies are caught, during wartime, they are generally and often executed. Yemen has been at war between Shia and Sunni for several years. As you yourself say, these things happen.

Our beliefs coincide with the beliefs of the executed ones so my personal response is a very deep anger for what happened here. Those executed were born and raised under "SHARIA LAW" also and risked / indeed lost their lives fighting the extremism that you staple to me and my peers.


If a criminal comes out with a gun instead of surrendering and is a threat to the police and innocents then yes I support the necessary actions to immediately stop that person. Do I find it unsettling that person died? Yes

Your nod to the necessary is enough. No further words needed

Same goes for the armed Taliban/Al Quada forces in Afghanistan and other areas. I find it bothersome that their deaths happened and had they surrendered so they can have a trial, their deaths would not have happened during a war. As I said, same thing happened when we fought Nazi Germany. Some gave up and others did not

So there were no German POWs eh? If any were summarily executed the way you said, that was against the geneva convention

You should polish up on the term "unlawful combatant" then come back and comment. There are rules for those in wartime fighting under uniform and rules for those in wartime for those who are fighting and not in uniform and those rules are different.

Right, that was a terrible mistake. Everyone involved admitted as much
Yep, but again these were terrible mistakes and we own up to them and investigate them to make sure they don't happen again

Yeah. Sure. Right. Noticed they accidentally droned (aka summarily executed) some pakistani military a few weeks ago. They are all over that "dont happen" thing like a Texas dust storm LOL

YOU! How? By refusing to do as I suggested and stand up AGAINST what was reported on this thread. Instead you just post stuff what Americans have done or Christians have done. When I suggested you would do better to stand up against it you became even more belligerent. You justified as "they do things different over there"

Justified? I briefed you that they execute people over there for the same reasons that we execute people over here but they used a particularly nasty way to do it. That nasty way, though distasteful, is a legal form of execution under their law. That's not justification. It is simple and factual information. No Wiki needed. Note comments above. What were those 3 (now dead) Muslims doing over there if not standing up to the extremists??

I resent it when ANYONE does...why does it have to be "jews"? How comes Jews are "My buddies" but not yours?

Once justification for the action became the policy of the state as formally noted by the government and courts the comments apply to the state as a whole. NOTE: Be regretfully informed that if you deliberately bulldoze unarmed women you dont get to be wii's buddy. LOL

no no, you said "About your jewish buddies:

Be informed that you are generically classified with the rest of the "christian right" as having unwavering support for that state and their actions. As such that makes them your buddies

My Jewish buddies? You don't like Jews? Do you have any Jewish buddies? You did not say :"Your buddies in the Israeli government" which would have been pretty asinine as if I know anyone in the Israeli government, nor did you specify that one soldier, as if I knew him too

You generically says "Jews"

Good to see you upset. Your indignation matches mine when you generically say "Muslims" and staple actions that you dislike, even actions taken against other or different Muslims who are fighting the very extremism stapled to them, to all of us.


Walks_in_islam 09-07-2012 03:01 AM

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Your answer:

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1186399)
I think everyone knows we do things differently...isn't that WHY it's newsworthy?

It is always newsworthy when we exercise our "stand your ground" rights and summarily exercise our right to protect our homes LOL

what if we dragged every muslim out, legally, and beat them up...we can just say "well we do things differently here than you do over there"...The fact that it's done differently in one area or another is irrelevant.

You wish. LOL

So when good muslims are executed it does not upset you?

You're kidding right?

Uh, no it doesn't. This was an action NOT by the Yemeni government but by an extremist group implementing Sharia Law.

Sharia Law was implemented in Yemen decades ago. So what is that extremist group doing then?

Why do you crucify people? Was it an arbitrary decision by a secular government or is it a religious teaching of Islam? Beheadings? Amputations?

Feel free to remove your umbrella of bigotry towards all Muslims in all places away from me. You say now that somehow I and my family, over here in Texas, had something to do with this? You must be numb.

I already quoted the News source. The Yemen government never did such a thing. This was an Islamic based punishment in accordance with Shariah law

Except that Yemen is already under Shariah law. So since they are all lumped together then this IS the policy of the government right?

This is an amazing forum. We post negative stuff about Pentecostals and some people say we have an anti-Pentecostal agenda. We post stuff about Democrats and we have an anti-Democrat agenda etc etc..then WII comes along any time something is posted about Islam and we are also all anti-Muslim. LOL.

When you post an article about 3 Muslims who died fighting extremism then find a random Muslim to rail at and accuse all Muslims and Muslim beliefs of this extremism that's pretty bigoted dude. Just sayin' (LOL)

What Yemeni policy? This was NOT the actions of the Yemeni government. I already posted that information.
Yeah right. Oh yeah I remember that "conversation". lol..it never happened. What a load of camel dung WII.

Hey, why not do a search and post the link to that "conversation" where I expressed fear of some tent dwelling Yemeni blah blah blah :heeheehee

You know - I think I will Prax.

So in other words you won't stand up against these forms of brutal punishments or the actions of extremist groups. No of course not. That is what leads many people to believe that even the so called Moderate muslims really do support their actions. That is why threads like this continue with the presumption and all or most Muslims are the same. Why not just stand up and say "Muslims don't all agree with that kind of stuff. Most of us are Moderate and find the actions of those muslims deplorable."

I don't have to when Muslims die fighting it. Furthermore - the reason that threads like this continue with said presumptions has everything to do with those who type the words into them and their way of thinking and nothing to do with those who are being spoken about. You can choose for yourself to lump and classify groups together (be a bigot) or you can choose for yourself to acknowledge that what you wish to hear was physically summarized in the article in front of you and/or you can chose to embrace your phobia. You may not choose to place responsibility for what you say or believe on me.

You don't and it makes people really wonder and believe you support that kind of stuff. If you DO support it, then why not just post "Yes I agree with that stuff" instead of trying to turn the tables on those that post? Are you embarrassed at the behavior of Muslims in the middle east?

I really spend little time or energy worrying about what people wonder or believe Prax. Sorry.

But you can post anonymously HERE against Al Queda...actually the Muslims that, if they were really Muslims, died in such a way that WE find deplorable. And you have yet to stand up and AGREE. That is the problem. You turn everything into a blanket "anti-muslim" agenda issue when in reality I found THIS act against others deplorable whether they were Muslims or not. I find Muslim on Muslim violence as deplorable as any other but the METHOD in this situation was brutal yet you seemed to JUSTIFY it rather than agree that it was terrible.

Seemed? LOL only on "Planet Prax"

That is what I had been saying. Had you just stood and posted "I find these executions deplorable" , you would have deserved an AMEN!

My bucket list does not include a collection of "amens". I leave said collection to those who feed off of the "sheeple"

But you did not and you seemed to justify them when you lamented that the US also executes spys...nothing said about how brutal a 3 day crucifixion was from you

It's preferred because Islamic Law makes it one of the preferred methods. It's a bloody mess and if the guy doing it messes up it's rather brutal. It's done publicly and in addition these people might also often be crucified publicly for days for everyone else to see

Your point? You said yourself the guillotine was quick. Are you retracting that now?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decapitation

Most of the time but again this is why most states of stopped using the chair.

You are talking about a rarity.

You havent read the "cruel and unusual" appeals have you. The descriptions are graphic. It is public information.

Right, but not any more. I also find firing squads deplorable as I do the chair as I do CRUCIFIXION for 3 days. See, you take criticisms of how Muslims execute people as anti-Muslim yet I also am against the forms of executions that have occured in the US and in Europe.,.what "anti" does that make me?

You "appear" to be anti-muslim when you rail (for DAYS geeze already) about Muslims who don't stand up to extremism while posting an article about 3 Muslims who died doing what you are railing should happen. That's kind of messed up

Yes just as it depends on how good a swing the guy is who swings the sword. I find both rather primitive.

That's not really my area and haven't put a lot of thought into it.


canam 09-07-2012 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1186406)
WII, do you or do you NOT agree with what happened to those Muslims by the non Yemeni governmental group to crucify that man for 3 days?

Simple question.

crickets chirp chirp, he wont say it like every other supposedly moderate muslim should, i do not agree with this, just say it wii.nope cant criticize the brothers wont do it.

Walks_in_islam 09-07-2012 04:02 AM

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yip yip yip

I DO hear some noise but not from crickets

I guess someone hopped off of coadie's lap and onto another. Do you have something to add to this discussion?

Here is my answer:

Notification from US Consulate Dhahran last week: http://riyadh.usembassy.gov/amcitmessages.html

Riyadh, Shawwal 8, 1433, August 26, 2012, SPA - The Security spokesman at the
Interior Ministry stated that the concerned security authorities monitored over several months
the activities of suspicious elements having contact with the deviant “Takfiri” organization
abroad, noting that it has been clear from the follow-up that these elements formed a terrorist
cell in Riyadh advertising for deviant thought, and recruiting members to carry out criminal
operations targeting security men, citizens, residents, and public facilities.
The Spokesman said, “Through the intensification of follow-up of these elements, it has become
clear that they have reached an advanced stage in the quest to achieve their goals, including the
preparation and equipping of explosives to be tested outside the city of Riyadh, which led to the
injury of one of them with burns and amputation of his fingers, as they have worked for
communicating with the deviant organization abroad in preparation for the start of their
distinctive criminal operations.
The Spokesman said that security forces have arrested a citizen heading this cell who gave
detailed information about its members, plans and equipment that have been prepared and
identities used in their communication with the deviant organization, and others who are similar
to them such as Al-Assad Alhasour, Fares Al Maarakah, Nimr Al-Jihad and Abu Jandal Al-
Yamani. He indicated that this has resulted in the arrest of six members of this cell, all of them
Yemenis, adding that investigations with these elements, have been completed and their
confessions were approved according to Sharia. Three locations, one of them is a room attached
to a mosque in the city of Riyadh, were searched and chemicals used to manufacture explosives
and booby-trapped mobiles to be used through remote detonations, documents and cash were
found and impounded, the Spokesman said.
It is also in the context of investigations based on the background of these facts, links of this cell
have been found with another cell in Jeddah. One of its elements, a Saudi national, was
arrested. He was working on the preparation and testing of chemical explosives, according to
this statements certified within the framework of Sharia. The subject is still under security
follow-up.
On the basis of (what is mentioned) above, the specialized security authorities want to summon
citizen Saleh Mohammed Abdulrahman Al-Suhaibani and citizen Ali Nasser Abdullah Al Arar
Asiri, who are in hiding, to clarify the facts of their positions. Their families have been informed
about this. As the Ministry of Interior announces the detection and thwarting of these terrorist
plots targeting the homeland and its resources, the Ministry calls on anyone who knows any
information about them to inform about them on the number (990) or to the nearest security
authority. At the same time, the Ministry warns anyone who harbors or deals with them from
falling under legal accountability.


When these men are caught, and if crucifixion is chosen for their execution, and it is public, then I will not lose a single bit of sleep over it. It was fairly earned.


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Originally Posted by canam (Post 1187093)
crickets chirp chirp, he wont say it like every other supposedly moderate muslim should, i do not agree with this, just say it wii.nope cant criticize the brothers wont do it.


canam 09-07-2012 05:42 AM

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like i said, he wont say it because he approves of the violence like they all do !

Praxeas 09-07-2012 03:01 PM

Re: Video Of Muslim Crucifiction
 
As a Christian I have no problem saying I disagree with certain actions by other Christians.

I find it funny if you talk about what they do, you are anti Muslim, yet nobody says we are anti Christian when we talk about what other Christians have done

Walks_in_islam 09-07-2012 05:14 PM

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You must have missed the post about the (2) guys that the Saudis are looking for. They are probably and likely Muslims and yet I strongly disagree with the direction that they have chosen (bombmaking I believe).

Hopefully their executions are public. They will get a chance to pray before the sword falls and that is also the law. When they are executed you will probably say from one fork of your tongue that Muslims are so so violent and with the other that Muslims don't stand up to extremists and terrorists. Just declare once and for all that you believe all Muslims are bad no matter what they do and move on. Geeze already. You may also amuse yourself (and me) by then pinning the actions of those who execute the bombmakers AND the bombmakers on me even though they are currently thousands of miles away.

I otherwise and honestly believe that you and your buddy have selective vision or something LOL. I can come out and directly say the very thing that you declare I wont say and you will post just under it that it was not said and didnt happen.

That narrow and bigoted mindset is quite funny to me.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1187141)
As a Christian I have no problem saying I disagree with certain actions by other Christians.

I find it funny if you talk about what they do, you are anti Muslim, yet nobody says we are anti Christian when we talk about what other Christians have done


Walks_in_islam 09-07-2012 05:27 PM

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Huh?

Quote:

Originally Posted by canam (Post 1187096)
like i said, yip yip yip yip yip yip !


Praxeas 09-07-2012 07:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1187151)
You must have missed the post about the (2) guys that the Saudis are looking for. They are probably and likely Muslims and yet I strongly disagree with the direction that they have chosen (bombmaking I believe).

Im glad you disagree with bombmaking

Quote:

Hopefully their executions are public.
Im not sure I can agree on either executions or making them a public display.

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They will get a chance to pray before the sword falls and that is also the law. When they are executed you will probably say from one fork of your tongue that Muslims are so so violent and with the other that Muslims don't stand up to extremists and terrorists.
I find it funny someone said you were cordial, but you have done nothing but made personal insults.

But here you are confusing breaking the law and punishment with Muslims in general speaking up and condemning terrorism and the acts of Extremists such as those 3 day crucifixions by non governmental agencies

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Just declare once and for all that you believe all Muslims are bad no matter what they do and move on.
I don't believe all muslims are bad. I do believe though that rather than admit you were against those 3 day crucifixions you instead sought to justify it.

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Geeze already. You may also amuse yourself (and me) by then pinning the actions of those who execute the bombmakers AND the bombmakers on me even though they are currently thousands of miles away.
I haven't pinned anything on you. I merely pointed out that you tacitly justified certain deeds because rather than speak out against them you sought to point out the US executes spys too, then when asked if you were against them you refused to answer.

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I otherwise and honestly believe that you and your buddy have selective vision or something LOL. I can come out and directly say the very thing that you declare I wont say and you will post just under it that it was not said and didnt happen.
The irony, again, is we can post things and discuss what Christians do and not get called anti-Muslim or have some Christian call us liars or forked tongue, but if the topic are muslims suddenly we are all anti Muslim

canam 09-07-2012 09:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1187153)
Huh?

hey wii wii why dont you quit making up posts, all your yip s attributed to me, post 34 ,have no idea where you got this

Dordrecht 09-08-2012 08:45 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1185951)
This has nothing to do with religion.

The death penalty is applied to spies in the US as well.

Foreigners who are caught running drugs into Saudi are put in an open courtyard in Riyadh and have their heads lopped off in public. If you lop off drug runners heads in public you get very, very few drug runners. Take note of this.


A nod to your 'pals' over in Isreal who executed your "savior" for doing nothing. Instead of outrage you people celebrate this every year.

What hypocrites.

I always thought this place was an "Apostolic Friends Forum" where members do not have
to worry about reading garbage..........

Truthseeker 09-08-2012 10:17 AM

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Question for the walks in Islam, what has Allah done for you?

Dordrecht 09-08-2012 10:43 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1186398)
Who is any of us to tell any other person to leave?

We are a diverse group of individuals here.
That's good.

I always thought this to be an Apostolic Friends Forum.
Not anymore.

Praxeas 09-08-2012 02:17 PM

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Well WII was supposed to be limited to discussing Islamic stuff in an area made for that.

But we have always allowed non- Apostolics to participate but if they want to promote their non Apostolic views that was to be limited to certain areas.

I have tried to be patient with people like Wii


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