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deacon blues 09-15-2012 08:00 AM

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1. The Chicago teacher strike has raised doubts about the President’s domestic leadership.

2. The publication of Bob Woodward’s new book has raised questions about his economic management and political skills.

3. 11 years to the day after the 9/11 attack, radical America-hating Islamists stormed the U.S. embassies in Cairo and Benghazi, assassinated the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others.

4. U.S. and Israeli relations have sunk to another low point.

Dordrecht 09-15-2012 10:04 AM

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Australia:

As the United States continued to strengthen security at diplomatic stations, fury over an anti-Islam film spread to Australia, where demonstrators clashed Saturday with police outside the American Consulate in Sydney.
Carrying signs that read: "Obama, Obama, we like Osama" and "Behead All Those Who Insult the Prophet," hundreds of protesters gathered on the steps of the consulate.

canam 09-15-2012 02:20 PM

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No time for the Isreali president but time to visit with the muslim brother hood terrorists in disguise

deacon blues 09-15-2012 02:49 PM

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MSNBC is hilarious!

They're trying to make this about Romney, saying he was resting today from a "rough week". Hahahahahaha! Yeah, this week is all about Romney! He's the biggest issue on the mind of Egyptian mobs and Libyans and Muslims all over the world! Hahahahaha! Liberals are sooooooo desperate to divert attention away from Obama, the economy and his failures.

Monterrey 09-15-2012 09:00 PM

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This is what brought Carter down ... we can only hope!!!

Nitehawk013 09-17-2012 07:55 AM

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As I said, if Romney cannot beat Obama after this uprising in the middle east and the credit downgrade then either Romney didn't want to win or he is surrounded by idiots in his campaign management team.

bbyrd009 09-17-2012 11:39 AM

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:lol
Ya, maybe Romney will save u :lol

Pressing-On 09-17-2012 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1188467)
1. The Chicago teacher strike has raised doubts about the President’s domestic leadership.

2. The publication of Bob Woodward’s new book has raised questions about his economic management and political skills.

3. 11 years to the day after the 9/11 attack, radical America-hating Islamists stormed the U.S. embassies in Cairo and Benghazi, assassinated the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others.

4. U.S. and Israeli relations have sunk to another low point.

Deacon,
What do you make of this exchange between Jake Tapper and George Will Sunday morning?

TAPPER: I want to switch topics right now to a hardening we've seen in conventional wisdom about the state of -- of the -- of the election. We've seen in -- in Friday, these three swing state polls came back indicating, in Ohio, Obama's up 7 points, Virginia, Obama is up 5 points, Florida, Obama is up 5 points.

And, George, one of the amazing things is, Mitt Romney is no longer in polling beating Obama on trust to handle the economy.

WILL: Which is his campaign in one sentence. Those three states have one thing in common: They all have Republican governors. And all three Republican governors are bragging -- perhaps rightfully so -- that they have got their economies up and running. If you add Wisconsin, with Scott Walker, and -- to that list, you have a tension, a kind of disconnect between the interests of the Republican governors in the swing states and the interests of the Romney campaign.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-...3#.UFeN-qP8k3w

deacon blues 09-17-2012 04:12 PM

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The polls are wrong. Dick Morris points out they use 2008 models where 13% of African Americans voted. In 3 previous elections only 11% voted. He said it's more likely 11% would vote because 2008 was such a unique election. Unemployment is high among blacks and the enthusiasm isn't there. If you use the 11% number it puts Romney slightly ahead. Plus studies have shown polls favor Democrats. Carter, Dukakis were both leading in polls at this stage and both lost.

Pressing-On 09-17-2012 08:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1188794)
Deacon,
What do you make of this exchange between Jake Tapper and George Will Sunday morning?

TAPPER: I want to switch topics right now to a hardening we've seen in conventional wisdom about the state of -- of the -- of the election. We've seen in -- in Friday, these three swing state polls came back indicating, in Ohio, Obama's up 7 points, Virginia, Obama is up 5 points, Florida, Obama is up 5 points.

And, George, one of the amazing things is, Mitt Romney is no longer in polling beating Obama on trust to handle the economy.

[B]WILL: Which is his campaign in one sentence.Those three states have one thing in common: They all have Republican governors. And all three Republican governors are bragging -- perhaps rightfully so -- that they have got their economies up and running. If you add Wisconsin, with Scott Walker, and -- to that list, you have a tension, a kind of disconnect between the interests of the Republican governors in the swing states and the interests of the Romney campaign.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-...3#.UFeN-qP8k3w

So, Deacon, You don't want to talk of more salient points than just skimming off the top of news feed?

Nitehawk013 09-18-2012 08:34 AM

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You're a few weeks late and a dollar short.

Deacon and I already discussed thi svery issue a few weeks ago regarding the economic issues. GOP leadership has helped those swing states and unfortunately the uneducated moron voters will think "oh gee...I guess Obaam isn't that bad". Obama gets to save face because of the hard work the GOP leaders did.

What Romney needs to do is get those Governors out setting the record straight that teh GOP fixed those state problems with no help from the empty chair in DC.

deacon blues 09-18-2012 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1188849)
So, Deacon, You don't want to talk of more salient points than just skimming off the top of news feed?

So...your "salient point" was to copy and paste a transcript from ABC News?

I think George Will is wrong. I think the polls are wrong. That simple. Sorry, I'm not "going deep" enough for you. Lol. :killinme

Pressing-On 09-18-2012 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1188927)
So...your "salient point" was to copy and paste a transcript from ABC News?

I think George Will is wrong. I think the polls are wrong. That simple. Sorry, I'm not "going deep" enough for you. Lol. :killinme

Deacon, I think the point that Will was making is that Romney's campaign is running on the economic issue, under the Obama administration, and Republican governors are bragging that they are doing well. That doesn't mean that everything is fine under Obama, it's just that Republican governors know how to govern, have success, with or without Obama. That's the salient point.

I want to talk about the underlying issues under the headlines. George Will has done that. And I copied and pasted the quote so that you would read an accurate statement - or is accuracy overrated? :heeheehee

deacon blues 09-18-2012 09:20 AM

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Will offered an opinion, not an accurate statement. He can't prove that folks will vote for Obama because their state is doing better anymore than I can prove that they will say, "under our former Democratic governor things were worse and with this GOP governor things are better, I will vote for the GOP presidential candidate." Will offers a plausible outcome, based upon his opinion, but it could just as easily go the other way---in my OPINION. :D

deacon blues 09-18-2012 09:22 AM

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And Morris' assessment of how the pollsters are conducting the polls is a salient point that is underlying the headlines. The headlines are the polls. The underlying point Morris makes is that their sampling is flawed.

Pressing-On 09-18-2012 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1188941)
Will offered an opinion, not an accurate statement.

How can that NOT be an accurate statement when it is happening? Gov. Perry has more lawsuits against the federal government than just about anyone.

And I remember Ferd telling us in 2008 not to trust Morris. :heeheehee

InTrade has Obama at 68% and Romney at 32.6%. Now, I think if Romney does well in the debates, that could change. But, it's a different game for him than when the GOP worked with Romney to take out every candidate during the Republican debates. It will be interesting to say the least.

He says he has a good game plan concerning the independents - don't offend them by telling them they were wrong about voting for Obama, show them what Obama has done wrong. But, then in the same video regarding the 47%, he disses the Independents by calling them "emotional". LOL! He just can't seem to stop. But, Obama has made his gaffes and keeps going, so....

deacon blues 09-18-2012 02:36 PM

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You cite InTrade a lot. It's the new kid on the block. The University of Colorado study is the one we all should take note of, since they've predicted every presidential election since 1980 correctly. They look at the Electoral College and individual states and take into account economic stats and determine whether that state will vote for the sitting president or the challenger. Back in July or August they had Romney winning in a landslide. No poll or InTrade or anyone else for that matter has been as successful as this study. They are doing an updated one in October. I'm very interested in seeing their assessments then.

deacon blues 09-18-2012 02:43 PM

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Here's an article from The Daily Caller about the one of a kind study dated August 22:

Quote:

A presidential election prediction model developed by two University of Colorado professors points to a big win for GOP presidential contender Mitt Romney in November.

The model, the only of its kind to use more than one state-level economic indicator, has correctly predicted the winner of every presidential election since 1980.

It predicts Romney winning the electoral college by a 320-218 margin and winning 52.9 percent of the popular vote when only the two major parties’ candidates are considered, the Associated Press reported Thursday.

Romney, it concluded, will win every state currently considered by pollsters to be a swing state, including Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Virginia, Colorado, New Hampshire and North Carolina.

The model even predicts Romney will win Minnesota and Maine’s Second Congressional District, the electoral votes of which most pollsters consider to be “safe” for President Obama. Nevada and Iowa are the only swing states it assigns to Obama.

“Based on our forecasting model, it becomes clear that the president is in electoral trouble,” explained Kenneth Bickers, a political science professor at the University of Colorado-Boulder who developed the prediction model with Michael Berry of University of Colorado-Denver.

“The apparent advantage of being a Democratic candidate and holding the White House disappears,” Berry noted, ”when the national unemployment rate hits 5.6 percent. The incumbency advantage enjoyed by President Obama, though statistically significant, is not great enough to offset high rates of unemployment currently experienced in many of the states.”

Bickers said large issues like the economy and the country’s overall direction tend to determine presidential elections. Computerized prediction models “suggest that presidential elections are about big things and the stewardship of the national economy,” he said. “It’s not about gaffes, political commercials or day-to-day campaign tactics. I find that heartening for our democracy.”

Bickers and Berry cautioned, however, that their model used economic data from June, 2012. They intend to update their calculations when new data become available in September.

And many swing states showed close enough to a 50-50 split that factors other than the economy could tilt them in the opposite direction. Bicker and Berry also did not factor in third party candidates, such as Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson, who Public Policy Polling, a Democratic-affiliated polling firm, has noted could significantly diminish Obama’s chances of winning New Mexico.



Note the quote: "Computerized prediction models 'suggest that presidential elections are about big things and the stewardship of the national economy,' he said. 'It’s not about gaffes, political commercials or day-to-day campaign tactics. I find that heartening for our democracy.'"

deacon blues 09-18-2012 02:45 PM

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In other words:

ITS THE ECONOMY, JUNIOR!" :killinme

Pressing-On 09-18-2012 02:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1189003)
You cite InTrade a lot. It's the new kid on the block. The University of Colorado study is the one we all should take note of, since they've predicted every presidential election since 1980 correctly. They look at the Electoral College and individual states and take into account economic stats and determine whether that state will vote for the sitting president or the challenger. Back in July or August they had Romney winning in a landslide. No poll or InTrade or anyone else for that matter has been as successful as this study. They are doing an updated one in October. I'm very interested in seeing their assessments then.

InTrade has been pretty successful, but I did read the article from the guys at the University of Colorado. And that will be interesting to see what they have for October. Again, just because I don't like Romney doesn't mean I don't think he could win. Whatever the polls are showing, I am seeing pockets, all over, of former Obama supporters who aren't that hip on him this time around. I'm fine with a Romney win. I'll just be glad that I didn't vote for him when his progressive bent comes back to bite everyone in the butt. :heeheehee

Pressing-On 09-18-2012 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1189005)
In other words:

ITS THE ECONOMY, JUNIOR!" :killinme

:heeheehee

deacon blues 09-18-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1189009)
InTrade has been pretty successful, but I did read the article from the guys at the University of Colorado. And that will be interesting to see what they have for October. Again, just because I don't like Romney doesn't mean I don't think he could win. Whatever the polls are showing, I am seeing pockets, all over, of former Obama supporters who aren't that hip on him this time around. I'm fine with a Romney win. I'll just be glad that I didn't vote for him when his progressive bent comes back to bite everyone in the butt. :heeheehee

Oh I'm sure there will be things about a Romney presidency that will rankle my shorts, but at least I'll have a butt to be bitten with Romney in office. With Obama we are all going to lose our arses (as the Brits would say)...

And yes, I'll say it for Light "I can't believe a pastor would say that...":happydance

Pressing-On 09-18-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1189014)
Oh I'm sure there will be things about a Romney presidency that will rankle my shorts, but at least I'll have a butt to be bitten with Romney in office. With Obama we are all going to lose our arses (as the Brits would say)...

And yes, I'll say it for Light "I can't believe a pastor would say that...":happydance

Too funny! :toofunny

Light 09-18-2012 03:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1189014)
Oh I'm sure there will be things about a Romney presidency that will rankle my shorts, but at least I'll have a butt to be bitten with Romney in office. With Obama we are all going to lose our arses (as the Brits would say)...

And yes, I'll say it for Light "I can't believe a pastor would say that...":happydance


Quote:

Pastor
a person having spiritual CARE of a number of persons.
Standing behind a pulpit with the keys to the building in your pocket doesn't make one a pastor!

deacon blues 09-18-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 1189022)
Standing behind a pulpit with the keys to the building in your pocket doesn't make one a pastor!

No endorsing Barack Obama and never saying anything opposed to his policies and actions as prez qualifies as pastor I guess...

Monterrey 09-18-2012 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 1189022)
Standing behind a pulpit with the keys to the building in your pocket doesn't make one a pastor!

Bwahaha, deacon gots dissed!

deacon blues 09-18-2012 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1189100)
Bwahaha, deacon gots dissed!

Yes, he/she can't handle someone not supporting Obama. So he/she goes personal for lack of a good argument. They have the opinion that I don't have right to an opinion as an American because I'm a pastor.

canam 09-18-2012 10:22 PM

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being dissed by light weight is an honor !

houston 09-18-2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1189101)

Yes, he/she can't handle someone not supporting Obama. So he/she goes personal for lack of a good argument. They have the opinion that I don't have right to an opinion as an American because I'm a pastor.

She is not a he.

deacon blues 09-19-2012 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1189120)
She is not a he.

That explains A LOT:girlytantrum

canam 09-19-2012 04:13 AM

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:thumbsup

deafdriscoll 09-21-2012 06:18 PM

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hasn't this been obama's whole presidentcy.


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