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Praxeas 09-16-2012 12:18 AM

Maybe they don't know?
 
Washington Democrats and Republicans are questioning U.S. taxpayer aid to the Middle East amid anti-American riots in the region and the fatal attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.


And that aid adds up to billions of dollars every year. In Tunisia, the State Department has allocated more than $300 million dollars since early 2011. In Sudan, the U.S. spent more than a half million dollars in 2012. And the tab for Egypt and Libya alone since last year exceeds $3 billion dollars.
One of the first attacks occurred Tuesday at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt, a country that has received $1.6 billion in each of the past four years.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz26bw7IHYb

Maybe they don't know how much the US gives them?

Walks_in_islam 09-16-2012 08:09 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
They don't have any idea.

For decades that money has been pocketed by whoever is in power and provides no benefit or difference to the common people.

endtimer 09-16-2012 01:45 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1188637)
They don't have any idea.

For decades that money has been pocketed by whoever is in power and provides no benefit or difference to the common people.

Agree, and its a shame.

Sam 09-16-2012 03:16 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
well, maybe if we keep paying them off or increase the payoffs, they will play nicer

Dordrecht 09-16-2012 03:30 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1188637)
They don't have any idea.

For decades that money has been pocketed by whoever is in power and provides no benefit or difference to the common people.

Typical muslim way of messing with the masses.
No surprise here. That's how these muslim dictators
deal with their own people, kill, destroy, steal and rape.

Walks_in_islam 09-16-2012 05:15 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
That's certainly how the Dutch were treating the Muslim Indonesians before they got tossed out on their backsides

A grave question for Dordouche of which is more weak / pansy: Letting the Germans roll over you every few years or getting tossed out by spear-wielding Muslim villagers? Small wonder you are so bitter.

Walks_in_islam 09-16-2012 06:41 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
At this time the entire region is under religious war. The Saudis / Sunnis on one side and the Iranians / Shias on the other.

We continually inject ourselves between the two sides. It would be best in the long term if we pay nothing, do nothing, and stay out of things over there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam (Post 1188672)
well, maybe if we keep paying them off or increase the payoffs, they will play nicer


Jay 09-17-2012 12:08 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
I think that we should double our aid to Israel and let the rest of the world bankrupt themselves paying off these people. For nearly 100 years, we built schools, trained their militaries, educated their leaders, built hospitals, among many other things. All we have gotten are wars, death, and destruction. We build it, they destroy it, time to stop building.

Walks_in_islam 09-17-2012 04:55 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Should we and why?

YB said he carried on working even though he knew there were civilians around "because these were our instructions. I'm just a soldier, you just carry out orders … I told the commander there were people around. The instruction was don't stop, keep working. It was not my decision, it was the officers'."

We should not double aid to a country who deliberately ran over a 23-yr-old American citizen holding nothing but a bullhorn and protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza.

"Just following orders" didnt work at Nuremberg and should not work in this case either. This young lady was not violent, did not threaten anyone, and did nothing wrong and was run over then backed over again by an Israeli soldier "just doing his job".

I think we should aid and support nations who share our core and intrinsic values of freedom and human rights and should not send a single dime to anyone else. At this time Israel is demonstrating a dismal regard for human rights. Rachel Corrie was from Washington and was not a poor unarmed villager from a dirt hut and we are at a minimum owed an apology.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1188728)
I think that we should double our aid to Israel and let the rest of the world bankrupt themselves paying off these people. For nearly 100 years, we built schools, trained their militaries, educated their leaders, built hospitals, among many other things. All we have gotten are wars, death, and destruction. We build it, they destroy it, time to stop building.


bbyrd009 09-17-2012 12:05 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1188637)
They don't have any idea.

For decades that money has been pocketed by whoever is in power and provides no benefit or difference to the common people.

Gee, WIi, you mean Mubarak didn't earn all that $? :lol

CC1 09-17-2012 01:03 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1188750)

We should not double aid to a country who deliberately ran over a 23-yr-old American citizen holding nothing but a bullhorn and protesting the bulldozing of homes in Gaza.

You are correct that we should not double it. We should triple it!

Leave it to a Muslim apologist to pull out an obscure tragic incident of a left wing demonstrator getting whacked as a reason to not support Israel. Good grief.

Your sentiment is funny coming from someone who embraces a group of people and religion who have pretty much zero value for life.

commonsense 09-17-2012 02:55 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1188728)
I think that we should double our aid to Israel and let the rest of the world bankrupt themselves paying off these people. For nearly 100 years, we built schools, trained their militaries, educated their leaders, built hospitals, among many other things. All we have gotten are wars, death, and destruction. We build it, they destroy it, time to stop building.


:thumbsup

AreYouReady? 09-17-2012 03:34 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Some of you have no idea what you are talking about.

bbyrd009 09-17-2012 04:07 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
It is focusing on the lower common denominator,
which will not produce fruit.

canam 09-17-2012 06:02 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1188776)
You are correct that we should not double it. We should triple it!

Leave it to a Muslim apologist to pull out an obscure tragic incident of a left wing demonstrator getting whacked as a reason to not support Israel. Good grief.

Your sentiment is funny coming from someone who embraces a group of people and religion who have pretty much zero value for life.

:yourock

Walks_in_islam 09-17-2012 06:15 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
LOL byrd you lived there didnt you? I only lived among the poor oppressed saudis........LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1188765)
Gee, WIi, you mean Mubarak didn't earn all that $? :lol


Walks_in_islam 09-17-2012 06:17 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Well now you sure cut out that part about suppporting freedom and American values and human rights didnt ya.......LOL

That left wing demonstrator was an American engaged in a peaceful demonstration and WAS standing up for human rights and died for doing it.

I would venture that this funny sentiment was (once) shared by all of us. Supporting other things gets us what we have been getting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1188776)
You are correct that we should not double it. We should triple it!

Leave it to a Muslim apologist to pull out an obscure tragic incident of a left wing demonstrator getting whacked as a reason to not support Israel. Good grief.

Your sentiment is funny coming from someone who embraces a group of people and religion who have pretty much zero value for life.


Jay 09-17-2012 06:56 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
These people are just as much our enemy as every other terrorist network that is operated by Muslims. These were the same people who kidnapped Isreali soldiers and killed them. They recently released one after holding him hostage for nearly five years. They would do the same or worse if they put their hands on us. Remember also that these were the same people who killed several young athletes because they were Jewish at the 1978 Olympic Games in Germany. A yone giving aid and support to these terrorists takes their risks. War zones are not for protesters.

houston 09-17-2012 08:13 PM

Double... triple.... wow! Really? LOL.

"Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."

Esther 09-17-2012 08:43 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1188776)
You are correct that we should not double it. We should triple it!

Leave it to a Muslim apologist to pull out an obscure tragic incident of a left wing demonstrator getting whacked as a reason to not support Israel. Good grief.

Your sentiment is funny coming from someone who embraces a group of people and religion who have pretty much zero value for life.

:yourock

Walks_in_islam 09-17-2012 08:51 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
The new America - peacefully demonstrating for something that the right does not believe in brands you a terrorist. Oh and don't forget - we punish people now not for what they actually do but for what "they would do if they get their hands on us"

PS there were no olympics in 1978. Go back to your history book


Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1188831)
These people are just as much our enemy as every other terrorist network that is operated by Muslims. These were the same people who kidnapped Isreali soldiers and killed them. They recently released one after holding him hostage for nearly five years. They would do the same or worse if they put their hands on us. Remember also that these were the same people who killed several young athletes because they were Jewish at the 1978 Olympic Games in Germany. A yone giving aid and support to these terrorists takes their risks. War zones are not for protesters.


bbyrd009 09-18-2012 08:10 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1188842)
Double... triple.... wow! Really? LOL.

"Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman."

Ha, important to note there that the son of the freewoman was later divorced by God; and "Ishmael was blessed of God."

Nitehawk013 09-18-2012 08:49 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Cast out the bondwoman huh?

What about I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee?

I stand with Israel. If that means Muslims get killed in the process...oh well. Islam is a plague on the earth that should be eradicated as much as possible. How many Israelis suicide bomb schools, school busses, hospitals and such? Oh thats right...it's those "peaceful" Muslims that use suicide bombs.

Maybe if they didn't try to push all the jews into the ocean to die, which their psycho pathetic leaders ahve said many times, then Israel wouldn't have to be so militant towards them. The simple truth is foudn in a line I have heard many times now: If the palestinians would put down their guns and stop fighting, there would be peace. If the Israelis would put down the guns and stop fighting, they would be slaughtered. Islam is the problem!

houston 09-18-2012 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1188916)
Ha, important to note there that the son of the freewoman was later divorced by God; and "Ishmael was blessed of God."

No. In Galatians the Jews are the children of the bondwoman. Hagar and Ishmael represent Mt. Sinai (old covenant) and the natural seed of Abraham.

Thing is, the promise to Abraham was to a seed, not seeds. The covenant to Abraham was a covenant according to promise, not according to law.

Believers in Christ are Abraham's seed and are partakers of the covenant. We, or some of us... partake of Mt. Zion (new covenant) and are heirs with Isaac, son or the free woman.

The son of the free woman was never divorced. It was those that thought they were the son of the freewoman. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. He also told them that their father was the devil.

You seem to mege islam with christianity. Have you considered joining the chrislam movement?

houston 09-18-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1188929)

I stand with Israel.

I stand with Paul and the Bible.

Praxeas 09-18-2012 03:53 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1189024)
No. In Galatians the Jews are the children of the bondwoman. Hagar and Ishmael represent Mt. Sinai (old covenant) and the natural seed of Abraham.

Thing is, the promise to Abraham was to a seed, not seeds. The covenant to Abraham was a covenant according to promise, not according to law.

Believers in Christ are Abraham's seed and are partakers of the covenant. We, or some of us... partake of Mt. Zion (new covenant) and are heirs with Isaac, son or the free woman.

The son of the free woman was never divorced. It was those that thought they were the son of the freewoman. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. He also told them that their father was the devil.

You seem to mege islam with christianity. Have you considered joining the chrislam movement?

Good catch

houston 09-18-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1189030)
Good catch

I'm in a good mood today.

Walks_in_islam 09-18-2012 08:18 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
A promise to Abraham and there was peace before we took land that was settled (as promised) by descendents of Abraham and stepped in to decide which descendents got what.

So we decide which sons/descendents of Abraham live or die? That's right - in saying what you say you curse descendents of Abraham to whom this promise was made.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1188929)
Cast out the bondwoman huh?

What about I will bless them that bless thee and curse them that curse thee?

I stand with Israel. If that means Muslims get killed in the process...oh well. Islam is a plague on the earth that should be eradicated as much as possible. How many Israelis suicide bomb schools, school busses, hospitals and such? Oh thats right...it's those "peaceful" Muslims that use suicide bombs.

Maybe if they didn't try to push all the jews into the ocean to die, which their psycho pathetic leaders ahve said many times, then Israel wouldn't have to be so militant towards them. The simple truth is foudn in a line I have heard many times now: If the palestinians would put down their guns and stop fighting, there would be peace. If the Israelis would put down the guns and stop fighting, they would be slaughtered. Islam is the problem!


AreYouReady? 09-18-2012 09:06 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1189090)
A promise to Abraham and there was peace before we took land that was settled (as promised) by descendents of Abraham and stepped in to decide which descendents got what.

So we decide which sons/descendents of Abraham live or die? That's right - in saying what you say you curse descendents of Abraham to whom this promise was made.


That is a provoking thought...something I have never really given a second thought before.

The bible says:

And the LORD said unto me, Distress not the Moabites, neither contend with them in battle: for I will not give thee of their land for a possession; because I have given Ar unto the children of Lot for a possession.
(Deuteronomy 2:9)

...and

And when thou comest nigh over against the children of Ammon, distress them not, nor meddle with them: for I will not give thee of the land of the children of Ammon any possession; because I have given it unto the children of Lot for a possession.
(Deuteronomy 2:19)

...and


And command thou the people, saying, Ye are to pass through the coast of your brethren the children of Esau, which dwell in Seir; and they shall be afraid of you: take ye good heed unto yourselves therefore:
(Deuteronomy 2:4)

Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession.
(Deuteronomy 2:5)


Now I am just asking a question here because I do not know the answer, but how do we know who is who over there? We don't know who the descendents of Lot or of Esau are. God told the descendents of Jacob not to meddle with various peoples when they were traveling to the promised land.

Some people believe that the Palestinians are called "Edom" and these are the descendents of Esau.

Any thoughts?

bbyrd009 09-19-2012 09:53 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1189024)
No. In Galatians the Jews are the children of the bondwoman. Hagar and Ishmael represent Mt. Sinai (old covenant) and the natural seed of Abraham.

Thing is, the promise to Abraham was to a seed, not seeds. The covenant to Abraham was a covenant according to promise, not according to law.

Believers in Christ are Abraham's seed and are partakers of the covenant. We, or some of us... partake of Mt. Zion (new covenant) and are heirs with Isaac, son or the free woman.

The son of the free woman was never divorced. It was those that thought they were the son of the freewoman. Jesus called them a brood of vipers. He also told them that their father was the devil.

You seem to mege islam with christianity. Have you considered joining the chrislam movement?

I've heard this before; don't know if I'm just dense, or what; Isaac reps Christians?

Anyway, as to the last, I'll have to look that up,
can't tell if you're kidding or not :lol
I'm pretty much a Christian for life.

bbyrd009 09-19-2012 09:57 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1189095)
...Some people believe that the Palestinians are called "Edom" and these are the descendents of Esau.

Any thoughts?

I've heard a pretty decent scholar put
the descendants of Edom as Russians ("Roosh" meaning the same as "Edom" or "Esau;" "Red," or "Ruddy." Don't know, tho. Kind of hard not to see Ishmael as repping Islam, here...

Praxeas 09-19-2012 12:54 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1189166)
I've heard a pretty decent scholar put
the descendants of Edom as Russians ("Roosh" meaning the same as "Edom" or "Esau;" "Red," or "Ruddy." Don't know, tho. Kind of hard not to see Ishmael as repping Islam, here...

Islam is a religion not a race

houston 09-19-2012 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1189184)
Islam is a religion not a race

Don't rain on his parade. He's a Christian that believes the Koran is inspired by god, and Muslims are saved.

bbyrd009 09-19-2012 02:22 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Hmm...God examines the heart
of a person, whether they claim
Christianity or Wiccan(ism?)...
one may claim Christ all they like.
I have Scripture for this, that you
are surely aware of?

Um, and Qur'an inspired by God,
doubt it...prolly it was Allah! :lol

bbyrd009 09-19-2012 02:26 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
And it seems to me that religions
all have reps? But I am curious
about Houston's theme there, earlier;
never have had that "bond woman
actually the free woman" thing put
clearly enough for me to get.

And as for parade, I have no dog
in any of this, actually.

bbyrd009 09-19-2012 02:30 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Um, but yes, we are having two simultaneous discussions, sort of.

Walks_in_islam 09-20-2012 10:11 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
We were discussing Arabs and Jews, not religion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1189184)
Islam is a religion not a race


Praxeas 09-20-2012 11:58 PM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1189166)
I've heard a pretty decent scholar put
the descendants of Edom as Russians ("Roosh" meaning the same as "Edom" or "Esau;" "Red," or "Ruddy." Don't know, tho. Kind of hard not to see Ishmael as repping Islam, here...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1189184)
Islam is a religion not a race

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1189535)
We were discussing Arabs and Jews, not religion

Eh. No

Titus2woman 09-21-2012 12:44 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1188613)
Washington Democrats and Republicans are questioning U.S. taxpayer aid to the Middle East amid anti-American riots in the region and the fatal attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya.


And that aid adds up to billions of dollars every year. In Tunisia, the State Department has allocated more than $300 million dollars since early 2011. In Sudan, the U.S. spent more than a half million dollars in 2012. And the tab for Egypt and Libya alone since last year exceeds $3 billion dollars.
One of the first attacks occurred Tuesday at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo, Egypt, a country that has received $1.6 billion in each of the past four years.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz26bw7IHYb

Maybe they don't know how much the US gives them?


Awww... don't worry, it's not real money anyway... we just print more if we run short!

Praxeas 09-21-2012 01:56 AM

Re: Maybe they don't know?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1189555)
Awww... don't worry, it's not real money anyway... we just print more if we run short!

lol

The problem is we give them money, whatever money goes to the people they probably don't know it's from us

But the rest just goes to their government talking fat heads and their weapons


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