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Michael The Disciple 09-16-2012 07:34 AM

Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Protests in many Chinese cities against Japan.

http://www.dw.de/dw/article/0,,16243293,00.html

Dordrecht 09-16-2012 09:40 AM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Uninhabited islands are the problem?
I doubt it.
There must be something more to it.


But than again you never know, in the Middle East they burn embassies because of cartoons and utubes.

Praxeas 09-16-2012 03:23 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
fishing rights

Dordrecht 09-16-2012 03:25 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Fishing rights.....no cartoons.
That makes a little sense.
Did they produce a Utube with fishing vessels?

Praxeas 09-16-2012 03:31 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Japanese rely on fish...not sure what the Chinese want the islands for other than a macho ego thing

Walks_in_islam 09-16-2012 03:36 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
I believe the dispute is over oil/natural gas reported to be there after UN survey in 1968 and not over fish.

houston 09-16-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam (Post 1188681)
I believe the dispute is over oil/natural gas reported to be there after UN survey in 1968 and not over fish.

Correct.

Praxeas 09-16-2012 03:44 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
1968? Then the owner who sold them to Japan is an idiot

Walks_in_islam 09-16-2012 06:55 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Based on what both sides have said neither will allow any exploration or drilling so the owner probably did the necessary, pocketed the money, and wisely moved on

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1188685)
1968? Then the owner who sold them to Japan is an idiot


Jay 09-17-2012 12:21 AM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
The Chinese have been growing more antagonistic toward various neighbors over the last four years (wonder why...?). They have actively threatened Taiwan and are now harassing Japan. They know that we have moved our carriers out of the area to deal with other problems. Because we are not actively on location, China is now showing Japan that they are the regional powerhouse. This is nothing less than a threat to U.S. global dominance as Japan has long sat under the umbrella of our protection. However, due to our negligence in updating and expanding our fleet, we no longer can project our influence effectively around the world. Due to our long term involvement with Iraq, Egypt, and Libya, we are not in a position to protect our allies and assets in the Pacific. China has been steadily undercutting the United States position in the region for the last few years, and are steadily becoming more aggressive. This comes at a bad time as our Muslim enemies are becoming more antagonistic at the same time. We are now facing enemies on two fronts. With Russia making a resurgence in Europe, we are now in a position where it is in the interest of most of our allies to make other arrangements and leave us encircled and isolated.

Michael The Disciple 09-17-2012 03:10 AM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1188730)
The Chinese have been growing more antagonistic toward various neighbors over the last four years (wonder why...?). They have actively threatened Taiwan and are now harassing Japan. They know that we have moved our carriers out of the area to deal with other problems. Because we are not actively on location, China is now showing Japan that they are the regional powerhouse. This is nothing less than a threat to U.S. global dominance as Japan has long sat under the umbrella of our protection. However, due to our negligence in updating and expanding our fleet, we no longer can project our influence effectively around the world. Due to our long term involvement with Iraq, Egypt, and Libya, we are not in a position to protect our allies and assets in the Pacific. China has been steadily undercutting the United States position in the region for the last few years, and are steadily becoming more aggressive. This comes at a bad time as our Muslim enemies are becoming more antagonistic at the same time. We are now facing enemies on two fronts. With Russia making a resurgence in Europe, we are now in a position where it is in the interest of most of our allies to make other arrangements and leave us encircled and isolated.

America is in steady decline. We cannot expect to always be the greatest nation. My generation (1950's) onward has had it great. Yet God and Jesus Christ have been betrayed in this nation of plenty. It may not be far off this country will be just another impoverished nation.

Jay 09-17-2012 06:57 PM

Re: Japan And China? Will They Clash?
 
Sadly, I fear that you are correct.


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