The Gospel according to.........Nirvana?!
 

We've probably all heard about these "The Gospel according to ...." and someone is named. I've seen "The gospel according to Peanuts" (Charlie Brown and friends), "Gospel according to Disney", The Gospel according to The Simpsons", etc. Anyway, what about when this stuff enters the church? Should we allow the popculture icons (I'd even says idols) to speak to the church, or to unbelievers on behalf of the church in order to "bring them to Jesus"? Is it possible to teach people to to live godly, when our very method of evangelism is the the music of the ungodly?

Recently a church began a new series called "Nirvan Speaks" in which the church plays Nirvana music and then a message is preached based off the lyrics. This type of stuff has happened more an more frequently in the churches, and at first it seemed innocent enough when some churches were using "I Love Lucy, Andy Griffith, and even the Simpsons" to teach adult sunday schools. (I was opposed to the idea then, I remember hearing about this and thinking it must just be an isolated fad, until I walked by a whole display at a Lifeway Christian store of this type stuff). But as it is with everything worldy, thre is no solid line, it keeps on moving. I'd make the argument that when someone tried to teach people the Bible based off the actions of Barney Fife they had already gone too far, to say nothing of the ungodly themes of The Simpsons. But it seems gone are those days, as some churches went for bigger cultural icons like the Beatles. But that wasn't enough, at a church in South Carolina the preacher famously came out to "Highway to Hell" and played Guitar Hero (literally) during church service. And now a church has decided to do a series called "Nirvana Speaks."

If you don't know anything about Nirvana, they are an alternative rock band, that started in the late 80's in the Seattle punk grunge sub culture. They eventually became wildly famous and lived out the lives of rich and famous rock stars, culminating in the lead singer being addicted to heroin, and eventually committing suicide, and thus becoming a subcultural icon. The songs are admittedly "about nothing" at best, and outright wicked at worst. There is no redeeming quality in the songs, they will not be appearing in any hymnbook near you, nor will their lines be repeated in heaven. Yet their lyrics are now considered the most cutting edge and relevant way to win people.

Below is a post from I put on facebook which generated a couple hundred comments in 2 days. What say ye?

(facebook post)
Count me out on this newfound and celebrated fad of using "Nirvana" to "speak"in the church or to unbelievers. Isn't the scripture sufficient? Is God's message made greater and more plain through using the lyrics of a man who was a heroin addict who committed suicide and a band whose biggest hit of all time was a "song about nothing", to say nothing of other titles like "Rape me". Should we use secular songs as a preaching text? Should we use them in our church services? I'm shocked at how far many are willing to go. I'm shocked that "Heaven Must Sound Beautiful" because apparently Michael Jackson, John Lennon, Elvis Presley, and Jim Morrison are there. Is ANYONE lost anymore? Heavens not going to sound beautiful because all these people who abused their bodies through drug abuse and immorality are there, heaven will be beautiful because we will all worship God singing HOLY, HOLY, HOLY. All these people and their wickedness are going to be cast out, forever separated from the presence of the Lord, for the kingdom of God is a place wherein dwelleth righteousness and none of these unbelieving and immoral person will be there (Rev 20:7, 2 Pet 3:13, 2 Thess 1:6-10, 1 John 1:6, etc). Where are clear voices in the church? Is this the only or best way to evangelize in the 21st century, through the Beatles, Nirvana, AC/DC, Guns N Roses, The Simpsons, I Love Lucy, and even Andy Griffith? Is the message of the cross so weak? Is the Word of God of no effect? Must the spiritually dead be quickened not by the life giving Word, or the preaching of the cross, but by the message of a secular immoral and ungodly popculture?

Shaking my head in disbelief.

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Today people have some mighty weird ideas about preaching the gospel...I remember I love Lucy when I was a kid...lol...Don't see how the gospel and all this stuff goes together...Guess I am toooooooooooo old....

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Sad!

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He's not even considered apostolic or pentecostal. Why do you care what he does?

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I wouldn't use someone like NIrvana, but I have thought it woudl be cool to use music, video and such multimedia to accent the message in the past. Use "entrance music" and such.

Because it is all we have ever known I fear we think that traditional preaching is somehow this God inspired model of oratory. Therefore we shouldn't add music, effects, etc to it. "The Word should be enough to move people" is what we all hear.

Hears the thing though: it's all tradition. What we call preaching isn't the same as that in the NT scripture. Teh modern model is more from philosophers, not preachers. Further, Jesus didn't just "preach the word". He used real life examples, stories, object lessons, etc. Paul appealed to popular philosophies at the time and used cultural references. So why do we somehow think the only appropriate thing is for a man to stand behind the pulpit and hoop and hollar about somethign from the word? Why not use music, culture, etc in order to accent the message?

Not with Nirvana of course, but there is plenty of good music that could be used.

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While I completely agree with you Jason there is one small point I'd like to make with no offense intended.

Jason said: "heaven will be beautiful because we will all worship God singing HOLY, HOLY, HOLY. All these people and their wickedness are going to be cast out, forever separated from the presence of the Lord, for the kingdom of God is a place wherein dwelleth righteousness and none of these unbelieving and immoral person will be there (Rev 20:7, 2 Pet 3:13, 2 Thess 1:6-10, 1 John 1:6, etc)."

It can be words like these that help to open up a place in peoples minds and hearts for things like 'the gospel according to Nirvana'... Because while they can RELATE to Nirvana, they might have trouble relating to what you are saying which talks about who is out but not how to get in... and presents the picture of a place that many people would not want to go anyway. I've heard young people say that if heaven is like it is described by preachers- A deafening roar of "Holy, Holy, Holy/Worthy, Worthy, Worthy forever and ever" they'd rather go to Hell. While I'm sure those are flippant remarks of youth, I strongly believe we can learn from them.

Jesus Christ was relevant in His time and for all time... We, as the church, are sadly failing to share Him and the true gospel message the way He shared. From slanted descriptions of heaven, to using Bible translations in 15th century old English, and keeping a 1940s dress code we are not reaching people.

The true gospel message is still the best thing going when presented in a way that can be easily understood by the one hearing it. Explaining concepts like the new heaven and the new earth, the ages, the millennium reign, etc. seems to be sadly lacking in our churches. I talk to Christians almost daily who have NO idea what the Kingdom of God might look like even while they pray 'Thy Kingdom Come!'.

If believers have the true gospel they don't need nor will they except another. When they have an understanding of the life that awaits the believer and the joy in the world to come they see we have something they want... And if for any reason there is a disconnect and they don't get it... well... Our job is to fix that :)

Judgement begins at the House of God (1 Peter 4:17)

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I have to agree, T2W. While I avoid suicides in music,
and detest Nirvana, I put them above several olde-tyme gospel faves.
I might have gone with Pink Floyd, or the Talking Heads,
but the bottom line, I think, is that as long as it is doing some good,
let it do some good?

"But as it is with everything worldy, thre is no solid line, it keeps on moving."

so I might be condemning it in a year; but I also note
that I have just recently been convicted that the
Holy Spirit does not generalize; the temporal line moves,
although the spiritual line does not.

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There is biblical precedent for using secular examples. Some of the Psalms were tunes used by pagans. Paul quoted pagans. Jesus rarely used the Torah. He taught in parables. It is possible to weave the Gospel using pop culture. I used Pink Floyd's Comfortably Numb in a Sermon. A friend of mine played Sympathy for the Devil and preached about how Satan plans to destroy people. The preacher had over 200 people in the altar.

This has inspired me. How can I make a sermon from "My Red Solo Cup"?

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I consider him Apostolic and Pentecostal and Charismatic and Holiness. I respect this young man and what he is doing. When I see him and his ministry it gives me hope for "the Church" which is often perceived as out of touch with reality.

In his message on Mars Hill in Athens, the Apostle Paul took his "text" from the inscription on an idol that he had seen which was called agnosto theos or "unknown god." He then spoke to those people using arguments from natural revelation and quoted Greek philosophers/poets with whom they would have been familiar. From what I understand this would have been in August AD 51 and the group to whom he spoke would have had about 30 members. Paul then went from the known to the unknown and preached Jesus Christ and His resurrection. What was the response? "32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them." (Acts 17:32-34) We don't know how many actually believed and accepted the message but some did.

Paul left there and went to Corinth in September AD 51 and followed his usual method of speaking in the synagogue.

The Apostle Paul used other things to illustrate his teaching like an analogy to military service and warfare (Ephesians 6:10-18; 2 Timothy 2:3-4), athletic competition (1 Corinthians 9:24-27; 2 Timothy 2:5), betrothal and faithfulness (2 Corinthians 11:2), farming or housebuilding (1 Corinthians 3:5-9).

I preached a message on "Mama's Prayers" and used the words of a song by Merle Haggard with that title. I've also taught a Bible class on 7 Pictures of a Believer based on 1 Timothy chapter 2.

Why? He doesn't consider himself the first three.

Personally, I like him. We had some good discussions. He shared with me some of his experiences, and some reasons that he left.

He is reaching people that you and I possibly can't. I don't disagree with his method.

I'd go with Friends in Low Places (prodigal son)

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He probably does not like all four terms --Apostolic, Pentecostal, Charismatic, or Holiness--I don't like labels either, but in my opinion he is:
1. preaching the same message of salvation that the Apostles of our Lord did
2. enjoying the same blessing and anointing that the early Church received on Pentecost Sunday May 28, AD 30 as recorded in the second chapter of the Book of Acts
3. operating in the charismata or gifts of the Holy Spirit
4. sanctified/consecrated/dedicated/set apart unto Jesus Christ and dressed in His holiness which is the "true holiness" (Ephesians 4:24)

and this is from an Elder who has been saved and filled with the Holy Ghost for more than half a century

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so how do they explain the kurt cobain song " i hate myself and i wanna die" which turned out to be truth not fiction,despite his protests when questioned that it was" just a dam song"

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Red Solo Cup... Spiritual application- Jesus turning water into wine.

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Corbain did play a Gospel model Mosrite guitar.

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Dana Moseley can fix you up.
http://www.mosrite-guitars.com/dana-...eleys-daughter

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I really don't see how smells like Teen Spirit fits in the bible ?

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Because the song is literally about nothing at all, yet people have made something out of it that it s not, the title of the sermon is "Attaching meaning to meaningless things."

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Sam's post is dead on. Why is it okay for a preacher to quote Poe in a sermon, or Louis L'amour? Is it because the poems of Nirvana are set to music?

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T2W, the context of the above quote was picture that someone posted on FB of all these dead singers, mostly those who died prematurely through drug abuse or suicide with the caption "Heaven must sound beautiful" to which a pastor replies "that gives me goosebumps." So my statement was in refernce to heaven sounding beautiful, not because The Doors and Nirvana are singing, which gives the false impression that these people are saved.

I disagree with the relevance argument. What is more relevant and life changing that the unadulterated gospel of Jesus Christ? What other words are "Spirit and Life"? What other POWER is there unto salvation? By what other means did it please God to save men than by preaching? And what is the content of that preaching by which faith comes by hearing? It is the Word of God, not the word of ungodly and unredeemed men. I wasn't raised in church, but the message of the cross and the Spirit of God working in that message changed my life. Furthermore, as for talking about "who is out, but not how to get in" again, that was in reference to a particular picture, not how I preach the gospel or evangelize.

We can learn that if that is how they really feel then they probably aren't saved anyway. If our great treasure is Christ, then our desire will be to abide with Him forever. If we grasp what He has done in our lives, then the deafening roar of holy, holy, holy, would be the fulfillment of every hope and dream. But I don't believe heaven is only like that, just as Adam had work to do before the fall....but that is another topic. The relevant point here is that people who live God want to go to heaven to be with God. People who love themselves don't want to go to hell, but not because they want to worship God or love holiness, they just want to live forever and not be punished for their ungodliness. Reminds me of a story a guy tried to tell me as a joke, it wasn't funny, but actually made a great point.

One day a guy died unexpectedly, he soon realizes he's in hell and begin to distress. Satan walks up to him and says "whats wrong?" The guy says "I expected to go to heaven." Satan says, well it ain't so bad here. The guy says 'really?" Satan says, yeah, do you like to drink? The guy says yes, I love to drink. Satan says well Monday nights are all you can drink. "Cool" the guy says. Satan asks, do you like to do drugs? The guy says I like to smoke weed. Satan says "Tuesdays are all the drugs you can do." The guy says 'well I might like it here." The "joke" goes on as Wednesday night is supposed to be homosexual night, and the guy realizes he is in trouble. Its a tastless joke, and I guess the guy who told me thought it was ok since it had a religious content. Obviously it is not ok, but in it I saw a great point. If people find all of their enjoyment here in ungodly music, ungodly movies, in immorality, in rebellion, in whatever ungodly behavior we want to talk about, or even spiritually nuetral tings (like shopping, playing golf, etc) and have no desire to know God, then of course the only reason they don't want to go to hell is because of the pain associated with it, not because they are separated from God's presence. If they could go to hell, and drink when they wanted, smoke when they wanted, have access to more movies than Netflix, then it would make no difference to them that God wasn't there. So if these same people don't hold Christ as precious, don't love righteousness, then why would they enjoy heaven anyway? It is only a better alternative than hell.
This has nothing to do with standards. I think I should make that quote my sig line.
Amen

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It is by the foolishness of preaching that men are saved (to be distinguished from foolish preaching, which probably refers to the hoop and hollar you mention). God choose the method of preaching for evangelism. Why do we think we can make a more effective method? Do we think God didn't know how to reach pagans? Did God not know what would be relevant in 2012? This whole "relevance" says by its actions that the word of God is NOT sufficient and we must supplement it or even replace it.

Jesus did preach the word. So did Paul, everytime Paul referred to the content of His preaching he spoke of it as "preaching Christ", "Christ crucified" or "The Word of God." When we investigate the one main scripture which is used to justify ALL of this "relevance", Paul's preaching in Acts 17, we see that Paul preached 1)A common Creator to whom all men are accountable in judgement 2)Salvation exclusively through faith in Jesus Christ 3)the resurrection 4)repentance. This is brief, but even in the place where Paul was the "most relevant he still preached repentance, which is always present in the true Word of God.

Preaching the word doesn't neglect using illustrations, this is plain from both the ministry of Jesus and the prophets, as well as Paul's epistles. Don't confuse using an illustration to highlight a point with reinventing the whole message.

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"The Gospel according to Barney Frank?" Nah, don't think that will work!

BT

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He could probably furnish lots of material to preach on....

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1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3 But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour
Titus 1:1-3 (KJV)
The hope of eternal life in manifested through the preaching of God's Word. When that praching occors according to truth it will also prudoce godliness in those who respond to the message in faith.



And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1 Cor 2:1-5 (KJV)
Paul was preaching to the Corinthians, the most notorious pagans in the ancient world, far more pagan and debased than what we encounter in America, where everyone at least knows the basics of the gospel (that Jesus died for their sin). Yet when preaching to pagans he says specifically that he didn't minister with mens wisdom (cleverness) or oratical ability or enticing words (i.e. a messagetailored specifically to them), but He preached Christ crucified. That preaching of the cross included a demonstration of the power of the Spirit. The power of the spirit to make people fall out? No, the POWER to change lives, which is what the gospel does when it is preached as God intends.(Rom 1:16, 1 Corinthians 1:18) The whole issue goes back to conversion, because we don't see radical conversion we just tell people to confess Christ and he will help them through all their bad habits. They confess Christ, but they keep on smoking, they keep on drinking, they keep on cussing, they keep battling addiction, immorality, lust, greed, bitterness, depression, etc. Essentially nothing changes because we have reduced salvation down to a confession of Christ or acceptance of Christ, and thats it. No change, no deliverance, no godliness. No freedom from lust, from immorality, from drug, alcohol, or cigarette addiction. No sanctification, they still watch the same things, listen to the same things, say the same things. Are these people converted? Is this "grace"? What does biblical saving grace look like?

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
This is what Biblical grace looks like. People who are saved will live godly lives, they will desire to be separate from the world (I'm not talking about standards), they will deny ungodliness, seek purity, and they will be looking for (anticipating/looking forward to) the coming of Jesus Christ (and by implication His Kingdom where righteousness dwells), not loathing going to heaven, or saying "if heaven's like that I'd rather go to hell". This is what is so badly missing in our modern american Christianity. "GRACE" isn't missing, that all everyone talks about, but Biblical saving grace, and the effects of that grace are ignorned and in doing so we water down the gospel and a watered down gospel which minimizes repentance and godly living is devoid of the power of God and doesn't save, only produces a bunch of pop christianity, "Jesus is just alright with me" "Jesus is my homeboy" type stuff.

When is the last time these seeker churches EVER did what Jesus did, which is tell the multitudes who are follwing you, "except you deny yourself you CANNOT be my disciple." (Luke 14)? David platt did and wrote the book RADICAL (an excellent read). But very few are willing to say like Jesus "You CAN NOT be my disciple." The'd never say that. But Jesus said it over and over. Everytime Jesus gained a huge following He preached to them repentance and self denial, and they left Him. He didn't preach this so people would leave, he preached it so people could be saved, and in the midst of preaching the word of God, the call to repentance would naturally seperate those who wanted God from those who were only following Jesus for what they could get out of Him. The fact is both Jesus and Paul broke almost everyone of the rules of the seeker movement and their philosophy. To say nothing of the prophets of old.

But wait theres more...
15 These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.
Titus 2:11-15 (KJV)
Paul knew when he wrote to Titus that such a presentation of the gospel wouldn't be popular, but He said speak it anyone , and don't let anyone despise you. The preaching of REPENTANCE has NEVER been popular. How popular was Jeremiah compared with the false prophets of his day. The people complained that all Jeremiah preached was bad stuff, judgement, negativity. (Though Jeremiah preached lots of hope, they missed it). But they willingly listened to the false prophets who "strenghtehed the hand of evil doers, that none doth turn from his sin." They preached "peace" and "no evil shall come upon you", they preached their OWN dreams and visions for God's people, and claimed it was "from God." The false prophets of their day who didn't preach repentance to the people, but rather gave them a false sense of security are exactly like the preachers of our day who cause people who aren't willing to repent, to deny themselves, to surrender ALL to Christ, that they are ok. That "God understands". That once their saved they can never lose their salvation (in some cases). But this scriptures summs up the true message and the true prophet of God in every age:

Jeremiah 23:16 This is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says to his people:
“Do not listen to these prophets when they prophesy to you, filling you with futile hopes.
They are making up everything they say. They do not speak for the Lord!
17 They keep saying to those who despise my word, ‘Don’t worry! The Lord says you will have peace!’ And to those who stubbornly follow their own desires,they say, ‘No harm will come your way!’ 21 “I have not sent these prophets, yet they run around claiming to speak for me. I have given them no message, yet they go on prophesying.
(NLT)

The most common characteristic of the false prophet is that they will give affirmation of salvation to those who are not even interested in sincerely serving God in the first place. But what is the message of any TRUE prophet of God? The next verse reveals it:

22 If they had stood before me and listened to me,they would have spoken my words,
and they would have turned my people from their evil ways and deeds.
Jer 23:22 (NLT)

28 “Let these false prophets tell their dreams,but let my true messengers faithfully proclaim my every word. There is a difference between straw and grain!
29 Does not my word burn like fire?” says the Lord.
“Is it not like a mighty hammer that smashes a rock to pieces?
Jer 23:28-29 (NLT)
There is a difference between phony preaching and genuine preaching. And to go back to a previous point, God's says His Word is like a fire and like a hammer. The Word is the most effective preaching tool that exists.
Hebrews 4:12
12 For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow. It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires.

30 “Therefore,” says the Lord, “I am against these prophets who steal messages from each other and claim they are from me.31 I am against these smooth-tongued prophets who say, ‘This prophecy is from the Lord!’32 I am against these false prophets. Their imaginary dreams are flagrant lies that lead my people into sin. I did not send or appoint them, and they have no message at all for my people. I, the Lord have spoken!
Jer 23:30-32 (NLT)

These people that are getting all their "innovative ideas" are just copying each other, or trying what they read in church growth books. Doing community surveys to see what they should preach, raffling off Plasma TVs, using Sitcom's to teach the Bible, etc. Their not preaching the word of God to people, they customize the gospel and thus have no message at all.

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Got it... I have not seen that to which you refer so saw your post as a stand alone kind of thing. My mistake, please forgive me. I trust that you do indeed, as you say, have a different message when not in direct response to something specific, as I have seen the depth of your heart for people here myself.

I do believe that we have to be culturally relevant yet we must still be godly. In a culture that has become obscene that gets harder every day. I have sympathy for those working in the trenches, sharing the gospel message with people who are far removed from church life and their efforts at trying to find a way to reach into the minds and hearts of such hardened people. A tough calling for sure, and one that deserves the compassionate hand up of forgiveness and not a slap down when mistakes are made. JMVHO

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:happydance

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gag me !!!! google his lyrics, ya gotta be stoned or drunk to listen to it for cryin out loud .they aint even lyrics, just ramblings of a stoned drunk

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Paul used pagan sources more than once.

Paul quoted Greek poet Epimenides in Titus 1:12. Menander of Athens ... Greek Dramatist and poet 342 BC:...... Bad company corrupts good character.... 1Cor. 15:33 Be not deceived, evil communications corrupt good manners. ..

Publius Terentius Afer (Terence) 190 BC:.... But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to show piety at home...... (Andria Act IV)

.. 1 Tim 5:4.. But if any widow have children or nephews let them learn first to show piety at home...
(http://www.truthseekers.co.za/content/view/255/53/)
Paul writings are filled with secular examples.

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Instead of fiegning moral outrage, Christians should ask themselves why Nirvana's lyrics resonated with millions of people. What the devil meant for evil, God can turn around and make something wonderful.

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Do you think people who have a problem with a sermon based on secular lyrics would have a problem with a preacher preaching about drinking at Joel's Place? Why would it be okay to preach about a bar? The only reason to preach the message is to manipulate to speak in tongues.

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Maybe a Gospel according to Black Sabbath will be next ?

Worshipping at the altar of relevance.

1 John 2:15-16 answers that question, and also shows why this type of "ministry" seems to be "successful", because its appealing to the unredeemed nature, it is drawing sinners by appealing to the flesh. All ministry philosophy should be mindful of John 15:19-20.

TV1a don't you attend Steve Munseys church?

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Ozzy is Oneness, after all.

Too many religions for only one God
I don't need another savior

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It appears you are confusing the methodolgy with the message. The desired goal is repentance. Ezekiel laid naked in human excrement to prove a point. Actually I think God allowed him to wear some clothes.

We are in a series about seeds, sowing, and reaping. I'm not a farmer so I font have a personal point of reference. I sound superficial when I talk about seed. I have more creditbility when I use contemporary examples to explain the laws of the seed.

I don't attend Steve Munsey's church. I'm on staff at a church start up in southeast Ohio.

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Best sex abstainance program my kids were in @ a church was when we started off each session singing the rock anthem Keep Your Hands To Yourselves. That was 5 years ago. My kids still talk about those lessons.

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Have you read some of the Psalms? David prays a former friend would die and go to hell. Psalms 59 David prays God turns his enemies to mad hungry dogs. In another Psalm, David prays his enemies kids are ripped out of the womb. Another location, David prays his enemies children become orphans and destitute. These are God inspired words.

What message?

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Did you listen to the message or did you get your undies knotted up because Nirvana was mentioned? I know someone who is using Nirvana lyrics to present Jesus. It's not difficult to take what the enemy meant as evil and turn it into a vessel God can use.