Are others called to Pastor?
 

In most church orgs, there are limited opportunities to Pastor considering that most church orgs are 1 pastor per church generally.

There are generally 2 ways to become Pastor. take over a church or start a new one. But I wonder how many others have the calling to Pastor but not the opportunity? Everyone is talking about restoring a Pastor to his "job" after falling but why not allow someone else to Pastor?

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"A man's gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men." Poverb 18:16

If God called you to pastor and you accept the call, you will one day pastor. I don't believe God would call people for their gift to be wasted.

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At my church, we have a:

Pastor
Associate Pastor
Spanish Pastor
Student Pastor
Worship Pastor
Childrens Director (Pastor)

Yes, there are and should be several different avenues in one particular church.

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Yeah....that verse has nothing to do with offices or callings.

It's talking about a gift someone might bring before a dignitary

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If a person has a "calling" they best make sure they are in the right place, because they can sit and rot if they're not. I have seen it wayyyyyyyyy too many times.

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It depends on the definition of pastor.

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I think when God calls a person and gives them the Holy Ghost, there is a work for him/her.

My question is why are we 'paying' people to do a work for Christ?

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1Cr 9:14 Even 2532 so 3779 hath 1299 0 the Lord 2962 ordained 1299 that they which preach 2605 the gospel 2098 should live 2198 of 1537 the gospel 2098.

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Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

(I Timothy 3:3)

Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

(I Timothy 3:8)

For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;

(Titus 1:7)

Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

(Titus 1:11)

Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

(I Peter 5:2)

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:thumbsup

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are you trying to say that pay is filthy lucre?

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Work with his hands...just like Paul did.

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It is if they say or do certain things from the pulpit for filthy lucre.
The Bible addresses this.

Some pastors put the fear of God into people if they do not pay their tithes, which by the way is preached in some circles that the pastor gets all the tithes...

The NT says nothing about a group of people putting any one man in position of power over other people ...and paying him for it.

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And some, not all, but some pastors get rich and fat doing it.

I thank God for a thin poor Pastor :heeheehee

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Let's take this one verse:

Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;

(I Peter 5:2)

Many young men go into the ministry as a profession expecting to get paid. They expect to get paid feeding the flock of God. I do not think this is what Peter had in mind when he wrote this scripture.

I salute those pastors who are bi-vocational.

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Heh.

I know of various pastors who bought all sorts of land, lakeside homes, vacations, hunting trips...and one almost had a falling out with a wealthier saint over a house that both wanted to buy. Imagine that...fighting over a house!

Many saints cannot afford to go on a vacation. Some have to ask their pastor's permission if they can go on vacation. :rolleyes2

The love of money is the root of all evil. I believe that.

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Sure, there are always some crooks in the crowd.
Just like on this forum.
:foottap

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That's why an assembly of believers should not set up one man to be a full time paid sheep feeder. :)

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We are all supposed to be laboring for the Lord, freely, willingly, not by constraint, not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind.

It's the least we can do for the One who gave everything for our salvation.

I don't consider this to be a 'pastor bashing' thread. I consider it to be an exchange of ideas. Just because placing one man over a congregation has been done this way for centuries doesn't mean it is the biblical way.

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:highfive

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Why not? My Pastor works on the side.

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Woohoo!
Someone who knows the truth of the matter.:heeheehee

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:yourock

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How is this a Pastor bashing thread?

I don't see anyone bashing Pastors

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Dordrecht, if one has been given the Holy Ghost, then that one is likewise anointed by God.

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Nothing wrong with it.

In fact before he pastored he preached, taught bible studies, went on outreach, was youth leader and except for the title he was essentially a full time minister yet he worked a full time job.

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J.O.B. "ministry" should not be a J.O.B. is should be the calling of every believer and 'full time' for all of us.

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I can't help but think about the spiritual principle of reaping an earthly reward. If one lives a privileged life for sharing the Gospel and helping others I worry that perhaps they have indeed had their reward. I believe that following the example of Paul is certainly probably a more excellent way.

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Did Jesus ever take up an offering for himself?

Scripture please.... ??

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Amen! :highfive

PAUL said that it was his right, just not a right that he exercised.


1 Corinthians 9:1-18 New International Version (NIV) Paul’s Rights as an Apostle

Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not the result of my work in the Lord? 2 Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you! For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me. 4 Don’t we have the right to food and drink? 5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas [a] ? 6 Or is it only I and Barnabas who lack the right to not work for a living?
7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.” [b] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? But we did not use this right. On the contrary, we put up with anything rather than hinder the gospel of Christ. 13 Don’t you know that those who serve in the temple get their food from the temple, and that those who serve at the altar share in what is offered on the altar? 14 In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. 15 But I have not used any of these rights. And I am not writing this in the hope that you will do such things for me, for I would rather die than allow anyone to deprive me of this boast. 16 For when I preach the gospel, I cannot boast, since I am compelled to preach. Woe to me if I do not preach the gospel! 17 If I preach voluntarily, I have a reward; if not voluntarily, I am simply discharging the trust committed to me. 18 What then is my reward? Just this: that in preaching the gospel I may offer it free of charge, and so not make full use of my rights as a preacher of the gospel.

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Can you be a Pastor without a congregation?

No one made that claim. And would He have too? BAM! Food appears out of thin air.

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