Voting on Principle
 

I'm not going to vote for Mitt Romney or Barack Obama.

Before someone attempts to convince me that not voting for either of the two is a waste of my vote, let me spare you the effort by letting you know up front that I've heard every argument why voting for a third party candidate is actually a vote for either Romney or Obama. It's an argument I disagree with, because I vote on principle and conviction.

I do not vote for the lesser of two evils, because it's still a vote for evil.

Neither of the candidates represent what I believe.

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And tell me Dante is this the first time you've noticed that the election is a hell or the deep blue sea choice? I am in my fifth decade and can not remember an election I did not feel this way about... It just seems to be getting more and more clear each time the polls open.

That's all I heard.

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“Always vote your conscience, though you vote alone; for then you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” – John Quincy Adams

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“There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution.” - John Adams

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The problem is that a large number of people in the US have figured out that it is quite profitable to not have to work, and live off the American welfare system, being paid for by the middle class taxpayers. We have several close, and distant family members who have learned how to make the "system" work for them. They are perfectly able to work, but they have learned how to make the system work for them.... on disability when they can still work... it is absolute craziness!

My husband's cousin's daughter has three children out of wedlock now... claims she doesn't know who the daddy is (although she does)... and each year, doesn't pay a dime in income tax, but receives a check from the government, last year it was 6000 dollars! HOW can this be?

Romney and Ryan hope to get America back to work... unfortunately, there is going to be a mass uproar when people on the "dole" are told... get to work or else.... because when you are used to getting something for free, and then all of a sudden, you now have to work for it.... in this "me, me, me" world, what do you think is going to happen?

We are going to have millions of people out rioting, and burning, and protesting, and carrying on about having their "dole" cut off, and being told to get up and work. Many of them don't want to work! They've been living with free government handouts for so long, that they have no desire to change that!

So what you have here about to happen is flat out disaster! To stop the direction our country is going in, the only way to do it is to cut the funding for people who could get up and work and won't. I'm not an advocate of cutting programs for the elderly, and truly disabled, but the rest of the country living on the welfare programs when their "income" from the government is cut... what do you think is going to happen?

It's not going to be pretty.... but it is going to happen... one day all these folks are going to wake up and their food stamps are done, and there is no more money for their welfare... what then?

Do you really think your vote in this election is going to make a difference in the direction our country is headed?

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So, your husband's cousin's daughter with three children...and no father to support them...if she were suddenly cut off support to feed her and her children...and told to "go get a job"...what kind of job would she qualify for? What kind of education does she have? Supposing she got a job, who would take care of her three children? How would she pay for daycare?

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She's young, only 20. She has family members who would help with the kids. She had several jobs, fired from all of them, because she would show up late, not do her job, texting/playing on her phone on the job.... etc. etc. She just didn't want to work. She didn't have to. Because she knew that she could qualify for a low income apartment, which the gov. paid for, that her children's food and medical needs were paid for.

She had it made in the shade... knew it... didn't want to work, won't, and has figured out that having kids is profitable for her to continue not having to work....

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I am voting for Mitt because I believe he is vastly better than the other guy.

I mean like the difference between the Empire State building and a hole in the ground.


Mitt is not going to give me every single thing I want. But in my view, it is far better to get a guy who will give me 75% to 80% of what I want. Vs 0% of what i want.

you folks can stand on principle all you want and feel super proud of what you are doing. good for you. I dont even know what it is you want from government.

As for me and my house, Mitt is the good guy and Obama is the bad guy.

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:thumbsup

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Nah...he probably needs a water hose.

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That's just it. I don't want ANYTHING from the government. I'm not dependent on the government like most people are, so there is nothing they have that I want. Ever!

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You provide a stiff argument for voting your conscience, accept your still voting for the least of the 3,4 or 5 evils or how ever many are running. There is no perfect candidate. I choose to vote for the lesser of the two evils that have a chance at winning.

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Not if I write in Jesus Christ! ;)

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touché. :thumbsup

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But Dante, that is precisely who most in this country do not want. Even back during His walk on earth, the leaders never did. That is why they conspired to kill Him.

Yeah...I think I will write in Jesus Christ too. That's not a wasted vote.

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then I would submit to you that not voting for Mitt, will end up giving you more of what you dont want, than voting for Mitt would.... even if Mitt is not going to give you all of what you want.

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I'm voting for Virgil Goode/Clymer of the Constitution Party.

This is my analysis:

If people vote Goode in their states and get him to 5% then they become a validated party in the state.

If I live in a blue state, Romney will lose period. So if I help Goode, then I have done good work and not compromised my principles.

If I live in a full-on red state, and if I help Goode get to 5% then I have done the same thing and probably wont hurt the GOP either because the machines will make him win anyway. Romney will take Texas, I do him no harm.

And if you are in a swing state where your vote might make the difference between Obama and Romney, then you are on your own. That is between you and God what you should do.

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Overstock.com CEO, Patrick Byrne on FOX's On The Record with Greta Van Susteren

"Writing in Ron Paul. He's the only one that understands the Constitution and limited government."

I'm afraid the RNC is going to pay for what they did to the Paul supporters during the primaries and what they did to us all at Convention, i.e., squelching any opposing dissent in the future - nazi style.

I personally wouldn't care if Romney turned the economy around. What they did at Convention made me leave the party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=KNEFiFKpjUY

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I agree that Obama should move on out. However, I just do not see Romney making life better for the American people. He is a globalist.

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Fire protection? Police? Streets and highways?

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To the Original Poster...

There are many schools of thought regarding voting, you will just have to decide which one you reside in and then follow through.

There are some, that believe it is the primary where one should vote pure conscience, but then in the General Election, be practical and vote for the best out of the viable candidates.

There are others, that believe every vote should be one of conscience. That no matter the candidate's viability, the voter should vote out of principle, and not out of practicality.

I fall in the latter of the two main schools of thought. I will never, ever believe that a vote bathed in prayer and seeking God's direction is cast in vain, thrown away, or a vote for someone else.

I suggest you pray, seek the Lord's direction, and vote the way He leads and never feel like you owe anyone an explanation for anything you've done out of a clear conscience before the Lord. I will be voting for Virgil Goode, the Constitution Party Candidate, and I feel good about that vote... I feel like I'm doing what God wants me to do.... and in the end, he's who we answer to right?

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Give me Liberty or give me death - woot!! :thumbsup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=uOFZyezPenE

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Strong words that thar girl is saying eh?

Sadly, most of the country will vote the lesser of two evils and not their conscious. It is a concept that most are not willing to take.

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Pressing on...I watched the you tube link and was curious about the other links she put on there. I was disturbed at what I heard her say here.

Did Romney ever address this in any of his speeches or debates?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...H3r8q3t70&NR=1

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Psalm 146:3 - "Put not your trust in princes, [nor] in the son of man, in whom [there is] no help."

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Yes, he addressed it, when asked, during the primary debates. He like Obama, promises not to abuse the power. They both take a strong, vocal stand, against abusing the power. The problem is it repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivE5gJdsJrw

BTW, in this crowd at this particular debate, you have many Ron Paul supporters along with the Romney supporters. So, at the beginning when he said that he would sign it, the Paul people are booing as Ron Paul was also against the implementation of the Patriot Act. When he tried to take the stand that he would only use it against terrorists, the Romney people cheered.

Newt, Ron Paul, Virgil Goode and Gary Johnson are against it. :thumbsup

Yeah. Home robbery. Thief sets house on fire. No adequate roads for the FD and PD to reach him. Doesn't matter anyway. Government is bad, bad, bad!!! How dare that evil fire department try to put the fire out! Don't get me started on the PD!!!

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:thumbsup

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There is none good, but God (Matthew 19:17).

And as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord! (Joshua 24:15)

:)

You on the wrong site to be all holy and sanctimonious.

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Your mom! ;)

How's that for sanctimony. And if your mother is dead, please accept my apologies in advance for the insult.

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My same sentiments! :thumbsup