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Hi Sam,
Was reading some good stuff this morning and thought you might like to have a peek ;) This Article was taken from Trumpet Wind email list. TrumpetWindList@TrumpetWind. by Pastor Keith A. Smith 1. There is not one Scripture in the Bible that forbids women from preaching, but on the contrary, there are many verses that encourage both men and women to preach the Gospel. 2. The Bible teaches that God is not a respecter of persons, and He will use any and all who will yield to Him, regardless of race, age, or sex. Galatians 3:28 - "...neither male nor female...for ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Acts 10:34 - "...God is no respecter of persons...." Moses said in Numbers 11:29, "Would God that all the Lord's people were prophets, and that the Lord would put His spirit upon them!" The crying need of the hour is for more laborers. It is a trick of the enemy to try to down rate thousands of our faithful laborers just because they were born females. 3. The Great Commission, Mark 16:15, "Preach the Gospel," is to ALL believers, and to all the church of Jesus Christ. The command to "preach the Gospel" is to both male and female. 4. It is an undeniable fact that God has called and anointed thousands of women to preach the Gospel. The Full Gospel organizations have hundreds of licensed and ordained women who are preaching, teaching, evangelizing, pastoring, and doing mission work with the signs following their ministry. God is using them for the salvation of the lost, deliverance from sin, gifts of the Spirit, and infilling of the Holy Spirit. The Bible says, "Touch not mine anointed and do my prophets no harm." And may we be reminded of the Scripture in Acts 5:39, "If it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God." When someone says, "God does not call women to preach," it is like saying that God does not baptize with the Holy Spirit today. We know better, because we have witnessed and experienced it with our own ears and eyes. I would be afraid to condemn women preachers, lest I would be found to be fighting against God, and to be committing the vile sin of attributing the works of the Holy Spirit to the devil. 5. Women preachers are a fulfillment of Bible Prophecy and another sign of Christ's soon return to earth (Joel 2:28; Acts 2:17-18). 6. The Bible declares that women will prophesy: 1 Cor. 11:5, "For every woman that prayeth or prophesieth...." Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). (See Young's Concordance, Pg. 780.) The word "Prophet" means a public expounder. The word "Prophesy" means to speak forth, or flow forth. The Bible says in 1 Cor. 14:3, "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto MEN to edification, and exhortation and comfort." The dictionary says, prophesy is "to speak under divine inspiration...to preach." Therefore we learn from the original translation, from the Bible interpretation, and from the dictionary, that to prophesy means more than to tell the future, but it is to speak publicly about the past, present, or future. It is to preach under the anointing of the Holy Spirit. The Old and New Testament prophets and prophetesses were preachers of God's Word. Even if the words prophet and preacher could be separated, how could anyone prophesy to bring exhortation, comfort and edification to the church, if she were forbidden to speak in church and was to keep silent? Would God inspire and anoint someone to do something that was wrong and sinful??? * (There is a difference between a prophet, and the gift of prophecy.) 7. God called and used women preachers in the Old Testament. a. DEBORAH - Judges 4:4-5. Deborah was a Judge for both civil and criminal cases. The children of Israel came to her for judgment. She was the chief ruler of Israel for 40 years, giving orders to the Generals and all the army. She did the work of an evangelist, prophetess, Judge, and a preacher. God gave her authority over the mighty (Judges 5:13). b. MIRIAM - Exodus 15:20; Numbers 12:1; Micah 6:4. She was a Prophetess and a Song Leader in Israel. c. HULDAH - 2 Kings 22:14. Five men went to Sister Huldah and communed with her. She spoke to a congregation of men concerning the book of the Law. A female preached to a man's congregation, and her message was taken to the nation and produced a revival. d. MAHER-SHALAL-HASH-BAZ'S MOTHER - Isaiah 8:3. She was a prophetess. 8. God called and used women preachers in the New Testament. a. The first message of the Resurrection of Christ was spoken by women to a group of men. b. Anna - Luke 2:36-38. She must have prophesied in church, because she did not depart from the temple. c. Phillip had 4 daughters who prophesied. Acts 21:9. d. Priscilla assisted Paul in his revival meeting and even taught Apollos in the way of the Lord more perfectly. e. Phebe - Romans 16:1-2. Paul commended Phoebe to the Church at Rome and requested that they assist her in her business. She was one of Paul's assistants in the work of the Lord and delivered the Book of Romans to the people from the hand of Paul. 9. There is no sound reason why a woman or man should not preach the Gospel. There is a desperate need in the church for more workers. Laborers are few, and God will use any and all who will go for Him. Some say God will not use a woman to preach, because "The woman was deceived," but remember Romans 5:12: "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world." It seems to indicate that Adam was just as guilty as Eve in the fall of man. If anyone should be kept from preaching because of sin, it would be Adam. But God does not forbid anyone from preaching, because of Adam's or Eve's sin. 10. 1 Cor. 14: 34-35 does not say anything about women preachers. If Paul intended this verse as a general rule to bar all women from speaking in church, then they cannot teach Sunday School, testify, pray, prophesy, sing, or even get saved, and this would contradict the rest of the Bible (Acts 2:4; Acts 2:16-18). Paul was rather dealing with a particular problem in the church. Women were not educated as were the men in that day; therefore the women would talk back and forth to their husbands in church and ask questions concerning the sermon. Paul said, "If they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." If they want to talk things over let them wait until they get home. This rule is still good for the church today, where people are talking and causing confusion in the church service. They should not speak in church. (Not in the back of the church either before or after services.) If a woman cannot speak in church, then she cannot speak in prayer meeting, young people's service, etc., for who can deny that Sunday School and Prayer meeting, and Youth work are parts of church? Christ's Church is not a building, but rather it is found where two or three are gathered together in His name, whether at a street meeting, in a tent, a home, church, classroom or anywhere else. 11. 1 Timothy 2:12 is not a blanket rule for all women of all churches. If it were, then the women could not speak at all, for the same verse that tells them not to teach also tells them to be silent. If all women had to keep silent in church, then that would be promoting disobedience to God, for they could not prophesy, pray, testify, sing, exhort, do personal work, or even get saved. Whenever an interpretation to a verse contradicts the rest of the teaching of the Bible, we know this interpretation is incorrect, for the Holy Spirit will never contradict His own Word. This is the chief verse that is used to oppose women preaching and yet it says nothing about preaching, nor does it say anything about a public worship or church service. But, on the contrary, this verse is giving instructions to wives as to how they were to conduct themselves in regard to their husband. Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:35, "And if they will LEARN anything, let them ask their husbands at home." Now he states in 1 Tim. 2:12 that the woman should learn in silence, and should not usurp authority over the man. Paul is dealing with more of a home problem than a church problem. This verse still applies to us today. It is wrong for a woman to usurp authority over her husband (in church, home, or any place else) as was the case in Paul's day. She should not try to teach him or speak words that would cause discord and confusion, but should rather be silent and in subjection to her husband. It is also to be understood that if anyone, whether man or woman, is usurping authority over the God-given leadership of the church, she or he is to be silent, and not to teach, or act in such a way that would create discord in the assembly. 12. Some have used Titus 1:6-7, "If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children...", but there is a difference between a preacher and a bishop. For I was an Evangelist and now am a Pastor, but I am not a Bishop (Overseer), and most Pastors are not. If God called a single man with no children to be a Bishop, as Paul was, surely this verse is not opposed to it, nor would this scripture oppose a woman Bishop if she was called of God for the work, as was Deborah. What this verse does teach is that a person who is to be a Bishop must not have two living companions, either husbands or wives. The Bible often speaks of "man" when it refers to both men and and women inclusively. The word "mankind" also includes both men and women. For an example of this word usage see 1 Cor. 13:1 - "Though I speak with the tongues of MEN and angels...." This word "MEN" includes women as well, for we do not have one language for men and another for women. 13. To condemn women preachers and women church workers is a serious offense, because God has stamped His approval on them by His Spirit over and over again, and who is man to fight against the Spirit of God? To condemn women preachers and women church workers is in a sense to claim they are doing wrong and committing sin...and all those who support them and listen to them are having a part in that sin. For anyone to do this, he must condemn approximately 99% of all the Spirit-filled believers and the vast majority of all of Christianity. "Of a truth, I perceive that God is no respecter of persons..." (Acts 10:34). |
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Sam is scripturally-deficient but verbally enhanced. Methinks you are wasting your time.
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When Christ began to reveal himself to the church as the old covenant was passing away, and the new one was being brought in... we see two interesting events:
First, God revealed himself after all those hundreds of years of promise to Mary first, then to Joseph. And, the angel appeared unto Mary, but Joseph had a dream. Then after Christ's death, the end of the old covenant, and the beginning of the new, Peter and John went down to the tomb to see if Jesus was there. But they didn't see him. Jesus chose to reveal himself first to .... the men? Nope. To Mary Magdalene... a woman... and the lowest of the low probably in the men's eyes.... a former prostitute and demon possesed woman... Seems pretty profound to me that Christ was willing to risk revealing himself to Mary a woman first, before her espoused husband Joseph, and then to Mary Magdalene, a former prostitute and demon possessed woman... before he chose to reveal himself to his own and closest disciples, Peter and John.... |
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Ruh roh.!
Woman preacher alert! Wuheeeee wuheeeeee wuheeeeee.! (Air raid sirens going off!) |
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We might actually see RDP chiming in before all is said an done!
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Who is RDP?
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I would love to hear other's views on this lesson. Although it does not reflect my personal refutation of 1 Timothy with regards to women speaking in church, I thought it did well to adress the more common issues with these passages. Since SOI (affectionately known to me as Sam :)) quoted that 1Tim passage to me in another thread I thought he might have a particular interest... but alas, he has been silent. :(
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Titus2woman listed women throughout the Old and New Covenants who “spoke” in the Assembly/Church or who prophesied. It is my understanding that the Greek word from which we get the English words prophet, prophesy, etc means “one who speaks for another.” In Exodus 7:1, YHWH told Moses, “I have made thee a god (Hebrew elohim which is plural--but that is a whole ‘nuther subject) to Pharaoh and Aaron they brother shall be thy prophet.” I take this to mean that Aaron would be the spokesman for Moses. In the Greek Bible, the word for “prophet” there is prophetes. In Hebrew it is nabiy (naw-bee) which means and inspired person, one who speaks by inspiration, a prophet, and also has the connotation of bubbling up i.e. the word bubbles up from the Spirit within and flows through the mouth. It is my understanding that to prophesy is to speak for God or to speak from inspiration or to speak the message that bubbles up from the Spirit within and can apply equally to men and women.
A few more women not mentioned by t2w would be: the daughters of Zelophehad in Numbers 28 who addressed Moses and the congregation at the door of the tabernacle about inheritance rights. Now, I know this was not preaching or prophesying but it was women addressing Moses and the congregation/assembly. Moses did not demand that they remain silent (like some tried 1500 years later in Corinth --ref 1 Cor 14:34-35 by quoting “scripture”) because he did not know of any “scripture” to do so. Instead he listened to them, and obtained some divine wisdom about inheritances. Jesus had women who travelled with Him ref Luke 8:1-3 as He travelled to villages and cities preaching and teaching. Priscilla and Aquila were mentioned. They were both teachers and taught Apollos (a man). They also are listed by Paul as co-pastors to a home church in Romans 16:3-5 and 1 Corinthians 16:19. We don’t know for sure who wrote the Book of Hebrews. Among those who have been suggested are: the Apostle Paul; Luke; Barnabas; and Priscilla. If Priscilla wrote that book it is the only one I can think of in our NT authored by a woman. In Romans 16:7 the Apostle Paul speaks of Andronicus and Junia and says that they are of note among the apostles. There are differences of opinion on the exact meaning of this verse but it appears that Junia was a lady apostle. In Philippians 4:1-3 the Apostle Paul speaks of women “which labored with me in the Gospel.” Looks like Paul followed the example of Jesus and had women traveling and preaching with him. 6. And, of course there is the woman at the well in Samaria in John chapter 4. She had had (past tense, did not have which would be present tense) 5 husbands and was living with someone who was not her husband. Yet Jesus ministered to her. As far as I know this is the first time Jesus admitted to being the Christ/Messiah and it was to a woman. She believed Him. She drank from the well of salvation (Isaiah 12:2-3) that day. Then she ran into the city and proclaimed that Jesus is the Messiah. Many men were converted because of her proclamation. |
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This is an email I sent to a man who is currently a grandfather and who goes to one of the UPC churches in our city. I was his Sunday School teacher for a while when he was a teenager and also was sectional youth leader for the ALJC when he was a youth leader in our local church. He had sent me an email in December 2011 asking about women int the church. This is how I answered him and I'll include it here since it addresses what we are talking about on this thread.
D......, The question of women in ministry and especially as preachers has been hotly debated among Christians over the years. I know folks who believe that a woman cannot preach at all. I know folks who believe that a woman can preach as an evangelist or missionary but cannot serve as a pastor. And, I know others who believe that a woman can serve God in any capacity that a man can, and that would include pastoring and even being an apostle. My personal opinion is that a woman can do and be anything that a man can do and be in the service of the Lord. It is my opinion that the verb “to minister” means “to serve” and that the noun “minister” means “servant.” Therefore both men and women can be servants or ministers. Galatians 3:24-28 indicates to me that there are to be no racial or gender distinctions when it comes down to who can serve or minister and who cannot. Also, the words in Joel 2:28-29 and later quoted by the Apostle Peter in Acts 2:16-18 seem to say the same thing to me. Both men and women and both servants and handmaidens can equally minister or serve. I’m not going to try to put down anyone and their opinion. In this life we are limited. In 1 Corinthians 13:9-12 it speaks of how we only have partial knowledge and we can only prophesy (speak for God) in a limited and partial way. The Word of God here is compared to a mirror (ref James 1:23-25) which in those days was probably polished brass and did not give as clear an image as mirrors do now. In the New Living Translation it says, “9 Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! 10 But when full understanding comes, these partial things will become useless.11 When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things. 12 Now we see things imperfectly as in a cloudy mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely.” It’s just the way it is. There are differences of opinion among Christians on things. All we can do is study the Word and come to our own conclusions on this and a bunch of other stuff also. Just off the top of my head, I can think of three reasons people do not believe in women ministers. First The first reason (which could be considered two reasons) is usually stated as, “God did not choose any women as priests in the Old Testament” and “Jesus chose 12 Apostles and none of them was a woman.” As far as the priesthood, I don’t know of any women who acted as priests. Aaron was chosen as the High Priest and then his sons inherited the priesthood because of their birth. The High Priest and his sons were chosen to represent the people before the Lord and to make sacrifices on their behalf. This was a temporary thing and was in place until the final and supreme High Priest (Jesus) came and fulfilled this temporary arrangement. Each priest from Aaron until the cross on Calvary was a picture or type of Jesus. Jesus is our High Priest. He is a unique person in time and is both fully God and fully human and could therefore represent God to humankind and could represent humans to God. All of us who have been born again are sons of Jesus the Great High Priest and are qualified to come to God individually without some other human intermediary. Both men and women are considered priests in this New Covenant. reference Isaiah 61:6; 1 Peter 2:5; and Revelation 1:5 and 20:6. As far as women apostles, there were none among the original 12, but women travelled with Jesus (reference Luke 8:1-3) and seem to be ministering along with the men. Also, in John chapter 4 we see the woman at the well going and evangelizing her whole city. In the first 8 verses of Mark 16 it seems that women were given the original authority to declare the resurrection. Further into the development of the Church a woman named Junias is spoken of as an apostle (ref Romans 16:7) In that same chapter Paul speaks of Phoebe who was a deacon (Romans 16:1). The word translated servant there is from the same word diakonos is translated “deacon” in 1 Timothy 3:8 and 12 and as “minister” in 1 Timothy 4:6 where it refers to Timothy. In 1 Timothy 3 verse 2 it says that a bishop/overseer is to be the husband of one wife and then in verse 12 it says that deacons are to be the husband of one wife. If Paul had no problem with a woman named Phoebe being a deacon then the “husband of one wife” (Paul’s requirement) must be a generic thing like having only one spouse. Actually, the woman at the well in Samaria did not have any spouse at the time she met Jesus at the well. She had had (past tense) five husbands and was living with a guy to whom she was not married. Under the Old Covenant, after a divorce the spouse is considered a “former” spouse or in more modern terms an “ex-spouse” (or just an “ex” in terms we use today). That’s why I don’t think the requirement in 1 Timothy 3 for a bishop or deacon being the husband of one wife has anything to do with ex-spouses like it is some times applied today. Other examples of women ministering in the New Testament are Priscilla who along with her husband Aquila who taught Apollos in Acts 18:24-28 and who seems to co-pastor a church in their home as referened in Romans 16:3-5 and 1 Corinthians 16:19). Philip the evangelist ha d 4 daughters who prophesied as recorded in Acts 21:8. Women in the church at Corinth were prophesying and praying in public according to 1 Corinthians 11:5 and were condemned for it because they were not wearing a veil. At that time and place and culture it was considered immoral for a woman to appear in public without a veil because she appeared to be emulating the priestesses in the temple who posed as men to perform sexual rites and it was also considered a dishonor to her husband. Also in Philippians 4:2-3 and Romans 16:12 Paul mentions women by name who labored in the Lord. to be continued in the next post |
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Second 1 Timothy 2:11-12 Paul speaks about women and says they are not to teach or usurp authority over the man. In my opinion, “the man” here refers to a husband and Paul is saying that women should not be rebellious or teach against what their husbands are teaching. In Ephesians 5:21-33 and 1 Corinthians 11:1-3 Paul speaks of “order” in the home. The verses in Ephesians have led to all kinds of extremes, even abuse, but notice in verse 21 it says that husbands and wives are to submit to one another. Also, Paul is very clear that a man should love his wife as much as he loves himself and in the same way that Christ loves His Bride, the Church. When a husband meets those requirements, a wife can “submit” because he will not expect or demand anything of her that he would not expect or demand of himself. Third 1 Corinthians 14:34-40 is another passage used to “prove” that women cannot minister. I think this passage has been misunderstood and misapplied over the years. Here is how it reads in the KJV: 34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. 40 Let all things be done decently and in order. A couple of thoughts about this. 1.This is a quote from “the Law” but which law? It is not what we call “the Law” or “The Law of Moses” or “The Old Testament” because those words about being silent in the congregation, not being permitted to speak, being under obedience, and asking their husband at home are not found there. Under the Law or under the Old Testament --Miriam (Moses’ sister) was considered a prophetess and leader ref Micah 6:4 and Exodus 15:20-21) This was around 1445 BC --the daughters of Zelophehad in Numbers 27:1-11 stood in the door of the Tabernacle and petitioned Moses for property rights. They were not silenced but the inheritance laws were changed beause of them. --Deborah was a prophet and judge (spiritual and civil ruler sorta like a pastor) ref Judges 4:4-5. This was around 1316 to 1237 BC --There is a woman called a “wise woman” sort of like a chief or elder in the city of Abel that negotiated with an Israeli general and saved her city. This was about 1000 BC ref 2 Samuel 20:14-24 --Isaiah prophesied under a couple of different kings about 700 years before the birth of Christ. He calls his wife a prophetess in Isaiah 8:3 --During the reign of Josiah (640-609 BC) the leadership of the country went to a prophetess by the name of Huldah to hear the word of the Lord. This is in 2 Kings 22 --Noadiah is called a prophetess in Nehemiah 6:14. This is around 445 BC --Then Elisabeth, mother of John the Baptist, prophesied when Mary came to her and told her that she was pregnant (Luke 1:39-45) --And Anna prophesied over the baby Jesus and to the people assembled in the temple in Luke 2:36-38 So, the idea of a woman leading or prophesying is found in our Old Testament 2. What “law” is Paul referenciing in 1 Corinthians 14:34-40 if it was not our Old Testament? It is my opinion that he was quoting back something to the Corinthians that they had previously quoted to him. Our book of 1 Corinthians may actually be made up of 2 letters that Paul wrote to the church in Corinth. The usual date for 1 Corinthians is considered to be autumn AD 55 while Paul was in Macedonia as recorded in Acts 19:22. If you go through the book you will notice that some of it is in response to a letter he had received from them and he quotes them. reference 6:13 for a quote from them and 7:1; 8:1; 9:3; 12:1 and 16:1 for what seem to be answers to some of their questions. In my opinion 14:34-35 had been quoted to Paul by someone more than one in the church and he answers them in verses 36-40. First he quotes what they had said about women being silent, under obedience, asking their husband at home and it being a shame to speak in the church. Some thoughts like this can be found in oral tradition and quotes from Rabbis, stuff like “A woman is not to come forward to read” and “whoever teaches his daughter the Torah is like one who teaches her obscenities,” and “Rather should the words of the Torah be burned than entrusted to a woman.” After Paul quotes this stuff, his next word in verse 36 is “What?” Then he continues with “are you the ones giving out the Word or am I?” (paraphrase of the latter part of verse 36. He then goes on to exert his Apostolic authority and says, “If any man think himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord” (verse 36). In verse 38 he says, “But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.” He finishes out that subject with verses 39 and 40 by encouraging them all (both men and women) to covet (stongly desire) to prophesy and that speaking with tongues should not be forbidden either. And finisthes up by saying, “Let all things be done decently and in order.” The order he had given was that both men and women could publicly speak with tongues but it should be limited to only two or three and what was said should be interpreted so people knew what was being said and that the prophets should also take turns speaking. I assume the word prophet here to be inclusive of both men and women. So, this has gotten lengthy but this is the way I see the subject of women preachers. There have been many women who have evangelized, served as missionaries, and who have planted and pastored churches. Our Apostolic/Pentecostal history has many of them and I feel it is wrong to put them down, or relegate them to second place or to try to silence them. The thoughts that I have expressed above are based on a teaching I heard by the late Gordon Magee on a reel to reel tape recorder back in 1958. I made some notes on it but those are long gone. I actually taught a Sunday School lesson on the subject back in the late 1950’s at Bro. Curts’ church when they were located in Camp Washington. This was probably around the time Kevin was born and he will be 51 this month. Like I said, the subject of women preachers or “lady preachers” as Bro. Magee called them can be controversial and discussions about it can generate more heat than light. I remember being in a “fellowship” meeting in the late 1950’s or early 1960’s where the subject came up and some of the pastors stormed out of the building in anger after some words passed back and forth among some of the preachers there. So it wound up being more of a “battleship” meeting than a “fellowship” meeting. If I remember correctly this was at a church downtown at 1333 Main Steet called “The Church of God Our Savior.” I preached there some time after that (around when Keith was born in 1962) at a youth meeting (I used to be a youth many years ago). That pastor was Bishop B.D. Powell and he has been dead for many years and the stiorefront church there has been gone for a long time. I can think of 4 store front churches in downtown Cincinnati in that Over the Rhine area where I’ve preached --34 Findlay Street, 70 East McMickken, 1333 Main, and one on Race Street-- that aren’t around any more. When I went to Bible School (I only went one year to ABI in St. Paul, MN and that was 1956/1957) Bro. Norris taught that the passages in 1 Timothy 2 and 1 Corinthians 14 only referred to that particular time and culture when the synagogues had separate sections for the men and women. So, if a woman wanted to ask her husband something she would have to holler from one section of the building to another. He also applied it to “business meetings” and taught (if I remember correctly) that women should not participate in business meetings. He did believe in women preachers and when I first went to St. Paul he had Sis. Willie Johnson there to hold a revival. I’ll send you somehting about her in a separate email. Say “Hi” to G.... for me. I hope she and you and your whole gang have a good Christmas and that 2012 is better than 2011. Jim Ellis |
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Suffer not a woman to teach!
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another saying from Bro. Curts. I did not hear this but head it from an "old timer" in the church.
Bro. Curts said that the Apostle Paul had suffered many things. He had suffered shipwreck, beatings, betrayals, etc but there was one thing he would not suffer. He would not suffer a woman to teach. |
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