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Esther 11-13-2012 08:13 AM
Texas Petition to Secede 60k sign Petition
 
I heard on the news this morning that due to the number of signers Obama will have to respond.

My question is who has the power to make these decisions?

Cindy 11-13-2012 08:24 AM
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Not likely to happen. Has to go through the Legislature surely, wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Cindy 11-13-2012 08:25 AM
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Maybe a march on Washington will happen.

Esther 11-13-2012 08:27 AM
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:dogpat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1202314)
Not likely to happen. Has to go through the Legislature surely, wouldn't make sense otherwise.
I agree. But the news said due to the number of signatures Obama would have to respond. I would not think the president has that power alone to make that decision.

Esther 11-13-2012 08:29 AM
Re: Texas Petition to Secede 60k sign Petition
 
22 other states have also petition for secession with LA being the first.

Esther 11-13-2012 08:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1202315)
Maybe a march on Washington will happen.
Haven't heard anything on that.

Cindy 11-13-2012 08:31 AM
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No, the President doesn't have power alone in that.

scotty 11-13-2012 08:35 AM
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it would have to be put on the state ballot, I would think .

Esther 11-13-2012 02:26 PM
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Who do they petition? Congress?

Jermyn Davidson 11-13-2012 03:13 PM
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The signers are looney.
If they were to seriously secede, do they really think they would fare better separately than together?

Idiots.

Yes anyone who would honestly sign a petition to have their individual state leave the United States of America is an idiot and a moron.

If they don't like it here, they can buy themselves a one-way ticket to Australia, Norway or wherever they think they would have it better!

MissBrattified 11-13-2012 03:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1202307)
I heard on the news this morning that due to the number of signers Obama will have to respond.

My question is who has the power to make these decisions?
All a petition does is get attention. It doesn't accomplish anything other than that.

Pressing-On 11-13-2012 04:14 PM
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"Gov. Perry believes in the greatness of our Union and nothing should be done to change it," Perry's press secretary said in a statement. "But he also shares the frustrations many Americans have with our federal government. ... We cannot allow Washington's tax and spend, one-size-fits-all mindset to jeopardize our children's future, undermine our personal liberties and drive our nation down a dangerous path to greater dependence of government."

:thumbsup :thumbsup

Monterrey 11-13-2012 05:00 PM
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Obama won't let them do dat, he don't want anyone to succeed!

deafdriscoll 11-13-2012 06:08 PM
Re: Texas Petition to Secede 60k sign Petition
 
to all those of you who are against this secession. I am not for or against. I have and always will believe that there can be no USA in the time of anti-christ.

canam 11-13-2012 06:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1202417)
Obama won't let them do dat, he don't want anyone to succeed!
only if he can take your success and share it

Pressing-On 11-13-2012 07:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1202417)
Obama won't let them do dat, he don't want anyone to succeed!
:heeheehee

AreYouReady? 11-13-2012 08:01 PM
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I wonder if Mr. Obama will grow a beard and start to wear a top hat ?

deafdriscoll 11-14-2012 07:13 AM
Re: Texas Petition to Secede 60k sign Petition
 
I have studied history and have read that when washington was praying for his troops at Valley Forge god told him when the first civil war would happen. I wonder if that is why washington oppossed slavery and set his slaves free when he died.
states have the right to leave the union when the federal government defies the constitution.

deacon blues 11-14-2012 07:19 AM
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Brethren, we fought a Civil War at the cost of 700,000 American lives. I hope none of you seriously think for a second that a state could just leave the union with a petition. I cant believe people even talk about it.

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1202520)
Brethren, we fought a Civil War at the cost of 700,000 American lives. I hope none of you seriously think for a second that a state could just leave the union with a petition. I cant believe people even talk about it.
It's just a disgruntled lot upset about the election outcome. The petition is at an official White House website. Who in their right mind would go there in the first place and sign anything? :heeheehee

Esther 11-14-2012 08:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1202417)
Obama won't let them do dat, he don't want anyone to succeed!
Does he have that power?

scotty 11-14-2012 09:06 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1202541)
Does he have that power?
Not sure what the legalities are cause since the Civil War it has never went that far. I would think it would have to be put to vote within the state and pass a vote in the local government.

That would be the difficult part, though I believe Texas would be the first to pull it off.

Esther 11-14-2012 09:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 1202545)
Not sure what the legalities are cause since the Civil War it has never went that far. I would think it would have to be put to vote within the state and pass a vote in the local government.

That would be the difficult part, though I believe Texas would be the first to pull it off.
My understanding was Texas is the only state that put that option in when they joined.

I thought if Texas wants out the state only has to decide (not sure how) not required to have consent from USA.

Light 11-14-2012 12:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1202550)
My understanding was Texas is the only state that put that option in when they joined.

I thought if Texas wants out the state only has to decide (not sure how) not required to have consent from USA.
MYTH MYTH MYTH
Do you ever check to see if your posts are correct before you post?

Cindy 11-14-2012 01:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esther (Post 1202550)
My understanding was Texas is the only state that put that option in when they joined.

I thought if Texas wants out the state only has to decide (not sure how) not required to have consent from USA.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Texas_...from_the_union

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

Some people claim that the Civil War proved that secession is illegal. Whether one was in favor of the North or the South, all that war actually "proved" is that a state or group of states can be militarily forced to continue being a part of a group. Superior strength does not prove morality or legality as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest.

scotty 11-14-2012 02:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Light (Post 1202575)
MYTH MYTH MYTH
Do you ever check to see if your posts are correct before you post?
Ummm, see below.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1202584)
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_Texas_...from_the_union

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession. There is no provision in the Texas Constitution (current or former) that reserves the right of secession, but it does state that "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

Both original and current Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Texas and Hawaii are two states that were once recognized as independent nations, before choosing to join the Union. Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

Some people claim that the Civil War proved that secession is illegal. Whether one was in favor of the North or the South, all that war actually "proved" is that a state or group of states can be militarily forced to continue being a part of a group. Superior strength does not prove morality or legality as any citizen of the former Soviet Union can attest.
Texas is a Republic, not a 'state' of the 'union'.

Here, let me highlight it for you.

Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession.

Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.

endtimer 11-14-2012 02:48 PM
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Coming from a supporter of state government over federal government, meaning the state should have a lot less federal involvement in the way it governs itself. I have no problem with a state wanting to succeed. A coupla thoughts, far as I know there are no states officially wanting to succeed, these are unelected, common folk signing this petition. Signing the petition is a serious thing and should not be done just to make a point, signers of the petition are suggesting they want to give up their citizenship of the US. The states wanting to leaving the union would have to payback their share of the national debt, to refuse could lead to war. The states succeeding would have to have a way of defending itself, especially border states (national guard maybe?). They would have to have a strong economy by itself, natural resources, trade agreements, new currency, etc. There would be a lot to consider and doesn't look advantageous, maybe Texas could. Did I miss any thing?

Cindy 11-14-2012 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by endtimer (Post 1202591)
Coming from a supporter of state government over federal government, meaning the state should have a lot less federal involvement in the way it governs itself. I have no problem with a state wanting to succeed. A coupla thoughts, far as I know there are no states officially wanting to succeed, these are unelected, common folk signing this petition. Signing the petition is a serious thing and should not be done just to make a point, signers of the petition are suggesting they want to give up their citizenship of the US. The states wanting to leaving the union would have to payback their share of the national debt, to refuse could lead to war. The states succeeding would have to have a way of defending itself, especially border states (national guard maybe?). They would have to have a strong economy by itself, natural resources, trade agreements, new currency, etc. There would be a lot to consider and doesn't look advantageous, maybe Texas could. Did I miss any thing?
You didn't miss much. It's really not that feasible, since we use the same currency. As far as I know Texas doesn't print it's own money.

Light 11-14-2012 03:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by scotty (Post 1202589)
Ummm, see below.



Texas is a Republic, not a 'state' of the 'union'.

Here, let me highlight it for you.

Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States" ... not to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

The US Constitution is silent on the issue of secession.

Texas Constitutions state that political power is inherent in the people and (just as the Declaration of Independence declares) "the people have the right to alter their government in such manner as they might think proper."

Their voluntary decision to join the Union did not come with an explicit agreement that they could never leave.
. Fact or fiction? As a condition of its admission to the Union, Texas was given the unilateral power to return to its former Lone Star Republic status if it so chose.

FICTION.

Gov. Rick Perry is responsible for spreading this widely held misconception. Three years ago, he declared, “When we came into the Union in 1845, one of the issues was that we’d be able to leave if we decided to do that.”

That’s just plain not true.

Texas has no right to secede. But the bottom line is that any state — or confederation of states — can illegally secede from the Union. But the result, as we discovered in 1861, is Civil War.

endtimer 11-14-2012 04:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1202603)
You didn't miss much. It's really not that feasible, since we use the same currency. As far as I know Texas doesn't print it's own money.


Yeah but Im sure they could do that easily enough. The US government is doing it all the time. (couldnt find the eye roll/sarcastic emoticon)

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 05:06 PM
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Doesn't really matter what the law says. We seceded from the British. It's not going to happen, but it's not impossible to go against the US Constitution and secede. Don't Mess With Texas! :drawguns :heeheehee

Cindy 11-14-2012 05:42 PM
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I don't worry about the ones signing the petitions. They are NOT the ones you don't want to mess with.

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1202614)
I don't worry about the ones signing the petitions. They are NOT the ones you don't want to mess with.
I don't know. You might not want to mess with some of them. 81,000 and counting is a lot of people. Gotta be some wild men in the bunch, I think. :heeheehee

Cindy 11-14-2012 06:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1202616)
I don't know. You might not want to mess with some of them. 81,000 and counting is a lot of people. Gotta be some wild men in the bunch, I think. :heeheehee
You know you're right, there is a reason they say remember the Alamo. :highfive

houston 11-14-2012 06:45 PM
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If we do, can we give the Rio Grande Valley to Mexico. I know it already is a part of Mexico, but I'd like to see it on paper.

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 08:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1202617)
You know you're right, there is a reason they say remember the Alamo. :highfive
:heeheehee

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 08:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1202618)
If we do, can we give the Rio Grande Valley to Mexico. I know it already is a part of Mexico, but I'd like to see it on paper.
We aren't, legally, giving squat to Mexico. :drawguns

deafdriscoll 11-16-2012 08:12 AM
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Since I believe that god broke up the Soviet Union, it is very true that he would also break up the US if we do not get our act together.

Originalist 11-16-2012 08:16 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1202618)
If we do, can we give the Rio Grande Valley to Mexico. I know it already is a part of Mexico, but I'd like to see it on paper.
the State of Texas might need to be consulted first.

Cindy 11-16-2012 08:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1202887)
the State of Texas might need to be consulted first.
:thumbsup


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