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deacon blues 11-14-2012 08:27 PM

Wall Street Journal: Romney Was a Weak Candidate
 
I wasn't voting for Romney because I wanted the GOP to win simply to win. I was voting for Romney because he was more conservative than Obama. I made that clear. I didn't vote for Romney in the primaries. I had originally been a Bachmann supporter, then Cain, then settled on Santorum when it came time to vote. I loved Newt in the debates but felt his baggage was too difficult to win a general election. Obviously with hindsight, if we were going to lose anyway, it would've been fun to see Newt go toe to toe with Obama.

Anyway here's an encouraging op/Ed by the director of Pew Research in the WSJ.

Quote:

By ANDREW KOHUT

Postelection talk of "lessons learned" is often exaggerated and misleading, and so it is in 2012.

A week after President Obama won re-election, two themes are dominant. First, that Mr. Obama kept his job because key elements of his base—notably young people, African-Americans, Latinos and Asian-Americans—turned out for him. Second, that the growing size of these voting blocs represents a decisive challenge for the Republican Party.

Both points are true, but most observers are overstating the gravity of the GOP's problem. In particular, they are paying too little attention to how weak a candidate Mitt Romney was, and how much that hurt Republican prospects.

Here is what the exit poll found. Mr. Romney's personal image took a hard hit during the primary campaign and remained weak on election day. Just 47% of exit-poll respondents viewed him favorably, compared with 53% for Mr. Obama. Throughout the campaign, Mr. Romney's favorable ratings were among the lowest recorded for a presidential candidate in the modern era. A persistent problem was doubt about his empathy with the average voter. By 53% to 43%, exit-poll respondents said that Mr. Obama was more in touch than Mr. Romney with people like themselves.

Mr. Romney was never fully embraced by Republicans themselves, which may have inhibited the expected strong Republican turnout. Pew's election-weekend survey found Mr. Romney with fewer strong supporters (33%) than Mr. Obama (39%). Similarly, a much greater percentage of Obama supporters (80%) than Romney supporters (60%) told Pew that they were voting for their candidate rather than against his opponent.

Surprisingly, Mr. Romney proved unable to exploit Mr. Obama's biggest weakness: the economy. Seventy-six percent of exit-poll respondents rated the national economy "poor" or only "fair," and just 25% said their finances were better off than they were four years ago. Yet voters expressed roughly equal confidence in Mr. Obama's ability to handle the economy (48%) as in Mr. Romney's (49%).

Mr. Romney was hurt by the perception—reinforced by Democratic attack ads and his secretly recorded comments about the "47%"—that he wasn't for the average voter. With 55% of voters in the exit poll saying they think the U.S. economic system favors the wealthy, a large majority believed that Mr. Obama's policies favor the middle class (44%) or the poor (31%). By contrast, 53% thought Mr. Romney's policies would favor the rich.

Despite their weak candidate, Republicans increased their share of the presidential vote among many major demographic groups. Compared with 2008, they made significant gains among men (four percentage points), whites (four points), younger voters (six points), white Catholics (seven points) and Jews (nine points). Mr. Romney also carried the independent vote 50% to 45%. Four years ago, independents voted for Mr. Obama 52% to 44%.

Republicans can take some solace from these gains. In addition, only 43% of voters this year said they wanted an activist government (compared with 52% in 2008), and 49% continued to disapprove of Mr. Obama's health-care law (compared with 44% approving).

In short, the current American electorate is hardly stacked against the Republican Party. But Republicans should recognize that, on balance, Americans remain moderate—holding a mix of liberal and conservative views. They generally believe that small government is better and that ObamaCare is bad. But the exit poll shows that 59% believe abortion should be legal, 65% support a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, and a surprising plurality support legalizing same-sex marriage in their states.

Threading the ideological needle with this electorate is vital for the Republicans in the future—and for the Democrats, too.

— Mr. Kohut is president of the Pew Research Center.
A version of this article appeared November 14, 2012, on page A15 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Misreading Election 2012.




Pressing-On 11-14-2012 08:37 PM

Re: Wall Street Journal: Romney Was a Weak Candida
 
I am very glad that Bachmann won her re-election.

And, YES, it would have been history in the making for Gingrich to come up against Obama. It would have been classic!

I think the RNC ganged up against Newt, because they would have had to eat crow after the false ethic charges they threw at him when he was Speaker. He was cleared of all. Can you imagine their chagrin to find out he would then be their President? They were having none of that.

deacon blues 11-14-2012 08:39 PM

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Somehow in had a feeling you'd be the first to respond PO...lol

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1202624)
Somehow in had a feeling you'd be the first to respond PO...lol

:friend :heeheehee

RandyWayne 11-14-2012 08:52 PM

Re: Wall Street Journal: Romney Was a Weak Candida
 
When Cain dropped out, so did 75% of my enthusiasm. I "liked" Santorum personally but felt he was far too inexperienced fiscally. His stating that he wanted to triple the earned income tax credit made me want to throw up.

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 08:56 PM

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This is being passed around. :heeheehee


I'm passing this on because it worked for me today.

A doctor on TV said that in order to have inner peace in our lives after this election, we should always finish things that we start. Since we all could use more calm in our lives, I looked around my house to find things I'd started & hadn't finished.

I finished a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiuminun scriptins, an a box a choclutz. Yu has no idr how fablus I feel rite now.

Sned this to all ur frenz who need inner pi. An telum u luvum.

Bye.

Pressing-On 11-14-2012 08:57 PM

Re: Wall Street Journal: Romney Was a Weak Candida
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1202629)
When Cain dropped out, so did 75% of my enthusiasm. I "liked" Santorum personally but felt he was far too inexperienced fiscally. His stating that he wanted to triple the earned income tax credit made me want to throw up.

After Newt was out and watching Romney throughout, I pretty much hated his guts. :heeheehee


Quote:

Romney breaks silence in bitter broadside at Obama

"But frankly we're still so troubled by the past, it's hard to put together our plans for the future," the defeated candidate said.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...237326/1/.html
He fails to focus on how he lost the youth vote by dissing the Ron Paul people during the primaries and at Convention. Wonder when anyone save Lou Dobbs will mention it?

Pressing-On 11-15-2012 12:35 PM

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I am glad someone is being sensible in their assessment of this election - Gov. Bobby Jindal. :thumbsup

Quote:

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal rejects Republican Mitt Romney's gift theory on defeat

Jindal rejected such an explanation of Romney's defeat. "No, I think that's absolutely wrong. Two points on that: One, we have got to stop dividing the American voters. We need to go after 100 per cent of the votes, not 53 per cent. We need to go after every single vote," he told reporters at a news conference of Republican Governors Association (RGA) in Las Vegas on Wednesday. Jindal is incoming chairman of RGA.

"Secondly, we need to continue to show how our policies help every voter out there achieve the American Dream, which is to be in the middle class, which is to be able to give their children an opportunity to be able to get a great education. So, I absolutely reject that notion, that description. I think that's absolutely wrong," he said.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...w/17233667.cms
:thumbsup :thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 11-15-2012 02:31 PM

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Yeah, I enjoyed reading Jinda;'s response to a whiny romney.

He lost. It wasn't God's Will for him to win. He should help the current President or fade into oblivion.

Nitehawk013 11-16-2012 06:06 AM

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Lot's of GOP hopefuls are distancing themselves from Romney's comments. That doens't make them any less true. Obama won because of A)fraud B) Foolish Irresponsible "Christians" and C)as Rush said, in a nation of spoiled kids you can't beat Santa Clause in an election.

Maybe if we go off the fiscal cliff and the gravy boat shatters, some people will see the need to rely on themselves and stop expecting the Fed to wipe their behinds and give them a lollipop.

Light 11-16-2012 07:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1202829)
Lot's of GOP hopefuls are distancing themselves from Romney's comments. That doens't make them any less true. Obama won because of A)fraud B) Foolish Irresponsible "Christians" and C)as Rush said, in a nation of spoiled kids you can't beat Santa Clause in an election.

Maybe if we go off the fiscal cliff and the gravy boat shatters, some people will see the need to rely on themselves and stop expecting the Fed to wipe their behinds and give them a lollipop.

I hope for your children's sake ( if you have any) you never have a catastrophe in your family. As you seem to be a card carrying member of the survival of the fittest club you will have to refuse any and all government help.

Aquila 11-16-2012 07:33 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1202622)
I wasn't voting for Romney because I wanted the GOP to win simply to win. I was voting for Romney because he was more conservative than Obama. I made that clear. I didn't vote for Romney in the primaries. I had originally been a Bachmann supporter, then Cain, then settled on Santorum when it came time to vote. I loved Newt in the debates but felt his baggage was too difficult to win a general election. Obviously with hindsight, if we were going to lose anyway, it would've been fun to see Newt go toe to toe with Obama.

Anyway here's an encouraging op/Ed by the director of Pew Research in the WSJ.

lol

I might have voted for Newt. I know a relative of his. He's a fun guy actually. His policies are provacative, and he articulated them well in Winning the Future.

It's said... a politician gets freaky in his personal life... has a break down in his marriage... and we disqualify him from leading the nation. King David, man after God's own heart, wouldn't even be a viable candidate in our political climate. lol

Nitehawk013 11-16-2012 07:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Light (Post 1202856)
I hope for your children's sake ( if you have any) you never have a catastrophe in your family. As you seem to be a card carrying member of the survival of the fittest club you will have to refuse any and all government help.

BIG difference between those who need a temporary help due to terrible circumstances and those who make a lifetime out of living off welfare programs and getting free phones, free housing, free food, subsidized utilities, etc.

Aquila 11-16-2012 07:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1202864)
BIG difference between those who need a temporary help due to terrible circumstances and those who make a lifetime out of living off welfare programs and getting free phones, free housing, free food, subsidized utilities, etc.

Who lives a lifetime like that any more. In Ohio a person only has 3 years of public assistance available to them. And they have to work at least 20 hours a week to keep benefits.

Nitehawk013 11-16-2012 08:05 AM

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Sources?

Welfare itself has a time limit after the Clinton Welfare reforms. Not all programs have a limit.

Originalist 11-16-2012 08:13 AM

Re: Wall Street Journal: Romney Was a Weak Candida
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1202686)
I am glad someone is being sensible in their assessment of this election - Gov. Bobby Jindal. :thumbsup



:thumbsup :thumbsup

Gov. Bobby does not seem to understand that it is LIBERALS who divide the voters!! THAT is the point!! Romney was speaking the truth.

Pressing-On 11-16-2012 09:01 AM

Re: Wall Street Journal: Romney Was a Weak Candida
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1202885)
Gov. Bobby does not seem to understand that it is LIBERALS who divide the voters!! THAT is the point!! Romney was speaking the truth.

Really? Which time? When he was "for" or "against"? When he was more to the left of Kennedy or when he was a "severe" Conservative? For me, it was hard to tell.

Bobby Jindal Condemns 'Insulting' Romney Remarks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=lgBbT8EFmHU

On CNN's "The Situation Room" this afternoon, Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-Louisiana) ripped Mitt Romney for saying Obama won because he gave his constituency "gifts" to vote for him.

"We need to stop talking down to voters," Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) said on CNN today. "As a Republican party, we need to fight for a 100% of the electorate, not 53%, not 52%, but a 100%. We've got to stop trying to divide people into different groups by race, by gender, by class. Instead, we've got to show why our conservative principles will help them pursue the American dream, enter the middle class, do better."

"This is completely not helpful," Jindal said of Romney's remarks. "This is not where the Republican party needs to go. We need to stop being the dumb party. We need to offer some smart, conservative, intelligent ideas and policies, that's how we win elections."

"We don't win elections by insulting voters," Jindal said.


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