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MawMaw 11-20-2012 02:05 PM

Should This Woman Lose Her Job?
 
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/shou...edium=twitter#

Two women have been placed on unpaid leave and could lose their jobs after a photo they took near the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery went viral on the Internet.

MissBrattified 11-20-2012 03:20 PM

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Absolutely. If she were my employee, I wouldn't want her representing my company.

Cindy 11-20-2012 03:44 PM

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Yes, because she was at work. Makes me wonder how she treats the people she supposedly cares for.

Amanah 11-20-2012 04:03 PM

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I believe this would fall under free speech. I don't think she was at work, but on vacation.

Timmy 11-20-2012 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1203562)
I believe this would fall under free speech. I don't think she was at work, but on vacation.

At work. ". . . during a trip attended by 40 residents and eight staff."

Timmy 11-20-2012 04:27 PM

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And yes, if I were up to me, she'd be outta there in a flash.

Cindy 11-20-2012 04:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1203562)
I believe this would fall under free speech. I don't think she was at work, but on vacation.

Yes, some say it does fall under free speech. She was on a work related outing.

MissBrattified 11-20-2012 04:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1203567)
Yes, some say it does fall under free speech. She was on a work related outing.

Even if she was on vacation, what you do and say outside of work can affect your employment and/or hireability.

MawMaw 11-20-2012 04:50 PM

Re: Should This Woman Lose Her Job?
 
Many brave men and women have died, giving her
the right to do what she did. Nonetheless, if I were
her employer, she would definitely be fired.

Cindy 11-20-2012 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1203569)
Even if she was on vacation, what you do and say outside of work can affect your employment and/or hireability.

Yes, this is true. It has happened to others.

houston 11-20-2012 05:56 PM

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I would fire her. If she took the photo on her own time I would keep her employed.

ILG 11-20-2012 06:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lacey (Post 1203532)
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/shou...edium=twitter#

Two women have been placed on unpaid leave and could lose their jobs after a photo they took near the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier at Arlington National Cemetery went viral on the Internet.

No, absolutely not. If she was at work, then fine but what she does outside of work under her free speech rights is her business.....unless we are going to have companies micromanaging every part of our lives and firing us for everything under the sun.

ILG 11-20-2012 06:14 PM

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Oh, I see she was at work. She should be written up.

freeatlast 11-20-2012 07:16 PM

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please drop by the office and pick up your last check is my first response

but then I think should I extend mercy and forgiveness to someone who who behaved

in a very ignorant manner.

Cindy 11-20-2012 08:15 PM

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We as a country reward disrespectful people daily. In our TV shows, movies, homes, and schools. So this really isn't surprising. But, it is offensive to me that an adult does not have the self control not to act ignorant.

Monterrey 11-20-2012 09:30 PM

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What did you expect, she's a blonde! Kinda a dirty blonde but it sure looks like there are some blonde roots there!

Fiyahstarter 11-20-2012 11:07 PM

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I don't think she did it to be disrespectful, rather she was trying to be funny. Backfire! Granted, she was immature and insensitive...but I hope she doesn't lose her job. I suspect she learned her lesson.

Amanah 11-21-2012 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1203578)
Oh, I see she was at work. She should be written up.

I see that now also after reading further and have changed my mind.

Someone with such poor judgement should not be responsible for other people.

Jermyn Davidson 11-21-2012 06:43 AM

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Incredibly poor judgment, but I understand that she was only trying to be rebellious for the sake of being rebellious.

It appears to me that she really didn't mean to be offensive.

I would think long and hard before firing her but, I wouldn't hire her, in light of this event-- which is why I wouldn't rush to fire her.

For her to be fired for this one time indescretion could put her in a very difficult place for a long time and I don't think her intent warrants such a punishment.

Timmy 11-21-2012 07:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1203584)
We as a country reward disrespectful people daily. In our TV shows, movies, homes, and schools. So this really isn't surprising. But, it is offensive to me that an adult does not have the self control not to act ignorant.

It's the exception, though, not the rule. How many thousands of visitors pass by the sign and do show respect? But it's this one that makes news.

Bro. Robbins 11-21-2012 07:34 AM

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There is probably no one that wants freedom, if freedom to be stupid protected more than I. But this is pretty cut and dry, she was on company time, representing the company, and obviously neglecting those patients in her care if she has time to do something like this.

Furthermore, even if this were on her own time... because people know where she works, she's hurt their image, and their public relations. It's basic logic that when an employee becomes a public relations liability for a business, and starts to send business away.... get rid of the employee. Yep, she has free speech... but freedom has a cost. And to whom much is given, much is required. That's why, when we exercise our freedom, we should weigh out all the possible ramifications... and count the cost.

Titus2woman 11-21-2012 11:00 AM

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Fired. Forgiveness has a place, work is not it.

Azzan 11-21-2012 11:45 AM

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Fired. I would not tolerate such behavior from any of my employees.

Jay 11-21-2012 11:51 AM

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I agree that she showed poor judgment, but she did not learn anything from the backlash. If she had apologized and admitted that she had done wrong, then I might have been willing to reconsider. However, she then compares this to smoking next to a No Smoking sign. At that point it is obvious that she has a complete lack of respect for our armed forces, her companions, nor rules and guidelines. If she is willing to violate a simple request such as this, do we really want her in a place where her blatant disregard for rules, regulations, and guidelines could be fatal?

Cindy 11-21-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay (Post 1203658)
I agree that she showed poor judgment, but she did not learn anything from the backlash. If she had apologized and admitted that she had done wrong, then I might have been willing to reconsider. However, she then compares this to smoking next to a No Smoking sign. At that point it is obvious that she has a complete lack of respect for our armed forces, her companions, nor rules and guidelines. If she is willing to violate a simple request such as this, do we really want her in a place where her blatant disregard for rules, regulations, and guidelines could be fatal?

:thumbsup

BrotherEastman 11-21-2012 12:31 PM

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As a veteran, what I think she done was deplorable; however, getting fired means that it will be difficult to get another job when you have to explain why you left the job to begin with. I would give her a serious write up and the knowledge to know that she will reap what she sows.

returnman 11-21-2012 02:58 PM

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I bet her mommy argued with the teachers every time she got a bad grade too.

MissBrattified 11-21-2012 05:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1203604)
Incredibly poor judgment, but I understand that she was only trying to be rebellious for the sake of being rebellious.

It appears to me that she really didn't mean to be offensive.

I would think long and hard before firing her but, I wouldn't hire her, in light of this event-- which is why I wouldn't rush to fire her.

For her to be fired for this one time indescretion could put her in a very difficult place for a long time and I don't think her intent warrants such a punishment.

That's precisely what she was trying to do! Her Facebook post says, "...This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general. Much like the pic posted the night before, of me smoking right next to a no smoking sign."

Perhaps she was too shortsighted to see how far-reaching the offense could go, but she was deliberately offensive.

Titus2woman 11-21-2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1203706)
That's precisely what she was trying to do! Her Facebook post says, "...This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general. Much like the pic posted the night before, of me smoking right next to a no smoking sign."

Perhaps she was too shortsighted to see how far-reaching the offense could go, but she was deliberately offensive.

Good Lord... who refers to themselves as a 'douchebag'? this is obviously someone completely without respect for self or others. Gross.

MissBrattified 11-21-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1203720)
Good Lord... who refers to themselves as a 'douchebag'? this is obviously someone completely without respect for self or others. Gross.

Agreed. :shifty

houston 11-21-2012 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus2woman (Post 1203720)
Good Lord... who refers to themselves as a 'douchebag'? this is obviously someone completely without respect for self or others. Gross.

It means something else. I'm pretty sure that she wasn't thinking of Summer's Eve.

Originalist 11-21-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by houston (Post 1203732)
It means something else. I'm pretty sure that she wasn't thinking of Summer's Eve.

All I know is, sometimes when I read the posts on this board, I get that "not so fresh feeling". :heeheehee

houston 11-21-2012 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1203733)
All I know is, sometimes when I read the posts on this board, I get that "not so fresh feeling". :heeheehee

O.o

Jermyn Davidson 11-21-2012 11:03 PM

Re: Should This Woman Lose Her Job?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1203706)
That's precisely what she was trying to do! Her Facebook post says, "...This is just us, being the douchebags that we are, challenging authority in general. Much like the pic posted the night before, of me smoking right next to a no smoking sign."

Perhaps she was too shortsighted to see how far-reaching the offense could go, but she was deliberately offensive.

She did what she did, but it wasn't out of malice and neither was she being serious.

She was being a douchebag.

Firing her may not be the appropriate response-- especially if she doesn't have a record of indescretions.

ILG 11-22-2012 08:35 AM

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I still think a write-up is sufficient. I prefer to err on the side of mercy......(and freedom).


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