Can a true Christian embrace Che Guevarra ?
 

How can a true Christian support a murderer at heart?

(Che Guevara, November 1962.)

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i don't embrace che's total socialism. third way is what bill clinton and obama espouse. using the free market to achieve the goals of socialism without government control of the economy but free market principles that help alleviate poverty, increase education for the populace and regulate income inequality with a progressive tax code and universal healthcare. those should be the goals of any sincere, authentic and conscience led christian.

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Then why use an image of a mass murderer at heart......brother ?

Furthermore ,our "progressive tax code" has not helped the poor. Why not embrace the FAIR TAX?

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we need more progressivity in america and christians need to be aware of the alternatives and become more socially conscious. moving away from the other worldliness of salvation in the afterlife to salvation and the kingdom of God in the here and now. To help the poor is to help Christ. Our "christian" system of government should reflect that.

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Well you can be a "true Christian" and embrace just about anything these days and if anyone says anything about it they're evil ultra-cons.

But I'll be the evil ultra-con today... no, ABSOLUTELY not.

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what does that have to do with a picture of a murderer?
Our Government is not a Christian system. It's a secular government.

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Where have these principles been put into effect and worked?

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has george bush murdered anyone innocent?

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i don't advocate violence but che was fighting for freedom and social equality. is george washington, abraham lincoln, george bush a murderer?

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I do not believe that these men should be embraced. Socialism has destroyed the few morals that were existent in Europe and the United States. When your economic system is founded on greed, envy, jealousy, and lust, you have opened the nation to anger, bitterness, resentment, riotous behavior, murder, and other forms of immorality. After all, does not the 'upper class' owe the 'lower class' and the 'suppressed masses' their unlimited and unrestrained freedom. This is the growth of socialism.

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these principles haven't been tested. china seems to be working economically and venezuela is working so far due to oil revenues. america is implementing these principles with clinton and obama but it was bush that sabotaged the economy. seems to be working.

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jay, you are confused. who is more greedy, wall street or the oppressed masses? thank god a majority of americans have common sense.

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And what did Obama do the past 4 years! Pathetic! No use to even answer you, really. I doubt there is a fair and honest bone in your body! BUSH.....BUSH....BUSH! You're just a broken record!

BT

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Socially conscious? So having an avatar of a murderous thug will make me socially conscious? What about a T-shirt? Like every other drunk American future college dropout? Would that make me "socially conscious" enough for you? What if I smoked a joint and listened to Bob Marley talk about peace and then looked at Obama put out my hand and demanded my welfare check. Is that conscious enough for you?

Here's how "conscious" I am. I know this Marxist agenda inside and out and it leads to only one thing: death. Karl Marx was an atheist, not some champion of christian values. His Marxist theories were entirely based upon Charles Darwin's theory of evolution (this you can look up). It was Marxism that led to the most inhumane, disgusting, and violent regimes in human history. Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Though each marxist leader had their different strategies and theories about how "socialism" would rule the world each generally had a few things in common:

1. the belief that religion of any kind is a threat to the ultimate power of the state (especially Christianity) and therefore it and it's practitioners must be eliminated.
2. the world is overpopulated and population control must be achieved both for "environmental" reasons and for the sake of safe guarding the "revolution" (it's easier to control less people).

These two main ideas led to come of the world's worst mass murders. These individuals had no regard for human life, no regard for community, they murdered as many people possible for the sake of their "revolution". China even today has a destructive one world policy, and we know that Planned Parenthood was created by a Marxist feminist Margaret Sanger who published an anti-religion pamphlet monthly declaring that an increase in abortions would be wonderful because it'd cause the population to go down, especially blacks and latinos. But yet we continue to play this game like the modern democratic party that praises planned parenthood, the birthchild of a racist madwoman, champions homosexuality, has pursued every form of gun control it can to the destruction of the inner cities of America, has put together one of the most complex and tangled up messes of a federal government this nation has ever known is not what it truly is, a party of far left socialism and a ultimately a party of what far left socialism brings: death.

There is NOTHING christian about the liberal agenda and the lie that you are "standing up" for the poor is just as much a slap in the face to our intelligence as you trying to make Guevara a Christian's hero.

No I'll keep my guns and I'll keep my religion. For good reason. Your agenda is death, just like your heroes and those heroes speak volumes to what you truly believe.

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marx, lenin and stalin championed state socialism. Third way is not state socialim but free market socialim. you are in the wrong century. hugo chavez is a christian socialist. che is just an icon.

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There is NO such thing as "christian socialism". Socialism was always anti-christianity, from it's beginning. Guevara was an atheist and a murderer.

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Socialism is Antichrist.

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Hugo Chavez is not a Christian. He is little more than a mini-Stalin or Mussolini. He is nothing more than a tyrannical and oppressive king who would rather his people suffer so that he and his cronies can live in unopposed opulence. He is of the same vein as Ferdinand Marcos, Fidel Castro, Khrushchev, and too many other little wish-they-were-gods. He is allied with the murderous and blasphemous Iranian regime. I really do not see what else needs to be said about him.

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jay you are uninformed. hugo chaves has lowered extreme poverty in his country by 50 percent. http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/7489

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venezuela poverty article http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/6451

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None of them advocated nuking a nation

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BTW you never answered my question...

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Sorry. But I know many refugees from Venezuela whose families owned thriving, job creating businesses. Thanks to Chavez, those businesses are no more.

What about freedom of speech? Do you think it is right that China and Venezuela to snuff out free speech?

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There are a LOT of poor people in China and Venezuela.

Bush single handedly sabotaged the economy eh? lol

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So having more money equals greed?

Having less money equals oppression?

Wow, you really have drunken the Socialist Revolution koolaid

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What scripture do you cite for God wanting secular governments to do the work of the church?

BTW, I still think you are a parody.

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Really? What makes you say that?

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Venezuelanalysis.com: Venezuela News, Views and Analysis is a "pro-Chávez"[1][2][3] and "left-leaning"[1][4] news website, which describes its aim as being "to provide on-going news about developments in Venezuela, as well as to contextualize this news with in-depth analysis and background information. The site says it is targeted towards academics, journalists, intellectuals, policy makers from different countries, and the general public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelanalysis.com

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Yes I wonder how the socialists would feel if they had their land taken and businesses absorbed and nationalized...how is that a free market solution?

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Dedicated Mind, how about this for a compromise? Why don't we simply follow the Constitution? Why don't we only allow the Federal Government to perform those 20 or so, few and defined powers delegated to it by the States, and allow the States to do as they see fit on the rest? That way, any State that wanted to could adopt these "progressive " policies that you condone, while citizen's of other States could adopt a more libertarian form of society if they wished. No specific philosophy or ideology should be forced on all the States from the top down, wouldn't you agree?

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i don't advocate violence but murder is in the eye of the beholder. the british consider george washington a murderer. southeners consider lincoln a murderer. iraqis consider bush a murderer. the japanese consider truman a murderer who did drop an atomic bomb. whose view is valid? i don't consider che a murderer. it's called ethnocentricity, an ethnic point of view.

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None of those men advocated the wholesale slaughter of civilians. Che did and is now burning in hell where he belongs. Care to join him?

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the policies of the federal government is the will of the majority of americans. we have a mechanism to decide the constitutionality of federal law. unfortunately you radical right wing states will have to swallow what the federal government dishes out. it is the fate of america and the will of god. the world is doomed to unite under the antichrist and socialism will be the mechanism. get used to it.

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truman didn't slaughter civilians? che didn't actually kill civilians. big difference. i would rather be with che than with you wherever god judges him to be.

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Actually, the majority can only rule where the Constitution allows it to. Furthermore, the States themselves are the final authority as to the limits of Federal power. Contrary to the opinion of some, the States did not create a common agent (the Federal Government) that would be allowed to decide the limits of its own power through the courts. But at least you admit that socialism is "doom" and of the anti-Christ. BTW, Truman's act saved millions of Japanese lives who would have otherwise perished had we resorted to a land invasion of Japan. Che's goal was to enslave. Truman's goal was to liberate.

BTW, I predict a bloody, second American revolution on this continent that will lead the the creation of at least three smaller confederations of States.

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And you wonder why conservatives don't want people like you in office. This is Obamanation democrats, congratulations. Yes it's that bad.

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dropping 2 atomic bombs and slaughtering millions of people are acts of liberation. ultimate hogwash, twisted radical right wing thinking. i would rather be in hell than to serve a god that would allow you into heaven.

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Can we stop here with your statement and take a reverent pause to truly take in the brilliance of those who formed the US constitution and laid down the framework of this republic's existence?

Here's a lesson in the concept of "democracy" and why the American public if it continues understanding democracy the way we understand in modern times will destroy itself.

America is not rule-by-popular vote democracy, and for good reasons. Another term for that is a "direct democracy" where the "majority" or the "masses" as the socialist likes to say wield the power to have their various whims imposed upon the nation. The founding fathers of America feared this moreso then they feared monarchical rule. Which is why they were extremely careful to form a framework where certain inalienable rights were protected, and that this system could not take a massively dramatic swing in any direction of some massive populist movement.

The brilliance of all this is seen in the middle east, where there is so much talk about "democracy" or a government "by the people". However we miss understand true freedom for "having elections". Just about every time an Islamic nation has "elections" Islamism wins and the nation becomes an Islamic republic. Perfect example Egypt. Well meaning Americans cheered on the "Arab spring" and the calls for "democracy". However they failed to understand why the United States supported Mubarak all those years. Was he a dictator? Yes. However he was the greatest supporter of peace in the region of Arab nationality, he was the foundation of Israel-Arab relations, he was a secularist who defended the rights of women, christians, and ethnic minorities, and he was America's greatest Arab ally in the war against radical Islam. He knew what America's leaders once knew: that if egypt was given "elections" the masses of the people were liable to swing anywhere especially with the massive Muslim Brotherhood presence in the country. It happened, and without a firm and sturdy constitutional framework protecting the rights of minorities and women there will very possibly Sharia Law in Egypt.

Liberals and leftists in the UN love these free "elections" and stand behind the "masses" but you can get the "masses" to do just about anything if you want. Need examples? Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Rwanda, Cambodia, all leaders elected by the "masses" which lead genocides carried out by those same "masses". Marx knew this, and knew exactly how to exploit it especially in weak struggling and newly forming nations in Latin America and Africa. It is all propaganda, "the masses" "the people's republic". DM has that mindset... they'd drink Jim Jones Kool Aid come back from the dead and drink it again this time with Jim Jones fries and a David Koresh burger with cheese. Sad but true.

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there are millions of white people who don't consider che a murderer but consider truman to be a murderer. ethnocentricity is a fault. righteous judgement void of ethnicity is what many conservatives lack.

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I'm black. What's your point?