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deacon blues 12-02-2012 10:20 AM
Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign
 
During the campaign President Obama laid out his plan for increasing tax revenues. The total he said he would request was $800 billion in increased taxes. In the recent negotiations with the GOP House leadership he is demanding $1.7 trillion.

I'm afraid there's no real desire to significantly cut spending. Its all about increasing taxes. They say taxes on the wealthiest, but the wealthy don't have an additional $1.7 trillion to give. Where does he think he'll get it? Of course it will come out of our pockets. Its good to remind yourself that when government says they want something they actually will demand more. When they say they'll let go of something they will actually release less.

Its also good to read the fine print before you elect someone. But of course I read that fine print back in 2008 and told you that the economy would not get better with the policies he was proposing. Curiously, many voted against their own interests for a variety of reasons, but certainly not with an understanding of how liberalism works and how it has a dismal track record. Wisdom bids us to learn the lessons of history. When we don't, we have to relive the mistakes of the past.

2013-2016 will be even tougher on the economy if this administration gets its way with fiscal policy.

canam 12-02-2012 10:32 AM
Re: Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign
 
the fiscal cliff is a fantasy to try to scare the repubs into signing off on taxes.call his bluff !

DaveC519 12-02-2012 06:23 PM
Re: Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1205196)
During the campaign President Obama laid out his plan for increasing tax revenues. The total he said he would request was $800 billion in increased taxes. In the recent negotiations with the GOP House leadership he is demanding $1.7 trillion.

I'm afraid there's no real desire to significantly cut spending. Its all about increasing taxes. They say taxes on the wealthiest, but the wealthy don't have an additional $1.7 trillion to give. Where does he think he'll get it? Of course it will come out of our pockets. Its good to remind yourself that when government says they want something they actually will demand more. When they say they'll let go of something they will actually release less.

Its also good to read the fine print before you elect someone. But of course I read that fine print back in 2008 and told you that the economy would not get better with the policies he was proposing. Curiously, many voted against their own interests for a variety of reasons, but certainly not with an understanding of how liberalism works and how it has a dismal track record. Wisdom bids us to learn the lessons of history. When we don't, we have to relive the mistakes of the past.

2013-2016 will be even tougher on the economy if this administration gets its way with fiscal policy.
I believe that God's judgment has begun to fall upon our nation because we have forgotten God (Ps 9:17). Part of that judgment is electing leaders who openly advocate wickedness, such as our own president does (Prov 29:2). If our leaders won't follow the example of the Ugandan president, to confess our national sins and turn back to God, then the church must do it on their behalf, even as Daniel did on behalf of Israel (Da 9:1-19).

Monterrey 12-02-2012 06:24 PM
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Noooooooooooooo

Obama lied?

Pressing-On 12-03-2012 08:34 AM
Re: Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1205196)
During the campaign President Obama laid out his plan for increasing tax revenues. The total he said he would request was $800 billion in increased taxes. In the recent negotiations with the GOP House leadership he is demanding $1.7 trillion.

I'm afraid there's no real desire to significantly cut spending. Its all about increasing taxes. They say taxes on the wealthiest, but the wealthy don't have an additional $1.7 trillion to give. Where does he think he'll get it? Of course it will come out of our pockets. Its good to remind yourself that when government says they want something they actually will demand more. When they say they'll let go of something they will actually release less.

Its also good to read the fine print before you elect someone. But of course I read that fine print back in 2008 and told you that the economy would not get better with the policies he was proposing. Curiously, many voted against their own interests for a variety of reasons, but certainly not with an understanding of how liberalism works and how it has a dismal track record. Wisdom bids us to learn the lessons of history. When we don't, we have to relive the mistakes of the past.

2013-2016 will be even tougher on the economy if this administration gets its way with fiscal policy.
I hope that while pointing out the faults of Obama and his Administration you are also focusing on what the Republican Party is doing wrong.

Quote:
Message to the GOP: Believe it or Not

The Republican leadership has long been shifting policies and positions to the left, and is now accelerating in that direction. We need a "bigger tent", don't you know, and the best way to get a "bigger tent" is to become more like the Democrats.

John McCain says we need to leave abortion alone and get to the business of immigration reform. McCain wants another amnesty. He's learned nothing of the disaster of the last one. Republican officials Saxby Chambliss, Peter King, Lindsey Graham, Bob Corker, Eric Cantor, John McCain and others are backing off, or outright reneging, on their Taxpayer Protection Pledge not to raise taxes.

Abortion, amnesty and tax-and-spend policies: Does this sound like a party that truly believes in conservative values and America's founding principles?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...it_or_not.html

Pressing-On 12-03-2012 08:54 AM
Re: Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign
 
I also agree with Rand Paul, who appears to be the most consistent politician we have, that we need to lower the entitlements for the rich instead of raising their taxes.

If he continues to be consistent and steady, he will have my support in 2016. He is more politically savvy than his dad and has the advantage of learning from his dad's mistakes.

I was impressed with him as he ran for Senator and Rachel Maddow tried to throw the race card against him. He stood his ground and spoke sense. That's what we need, someone who is bold enough to hold his ground.

Quote:
PAUL: I'm not in favor of any discrimination of any form. I would never belong to any club that excluded anybody for race. We still do have private clubs in America that can discriminate based on race.

But I think what's important about this debate is not written into any specific "gotcha" on this, but asking the question: what about freedom of speech? Should we limit speech from people we find abhorrent? Should we limit racists from speaking? I don't want to be associated with those people, but I also don't want to limit their speech in any way in the sense that we tolerate boorish and uncivilized behavior because that's one of the things freedom requires is that we allow people to be boorish and uncivilized, but that doesn't mean we approve of it. I think the problem with this debate is by getting muddled down into it, the implication is somehow that I would approve of any racism or discrimination, and I don't in any form or fashion.

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/20...fallout-begins

seekerman 12-03-2012 09:58 AM
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"Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign"

And....water is wet.

Cindy 12-03-2012 01:13 PM
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Duh

Seascapes 12-03-2012 08:51 PM
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President Obama HAS NOT lied. He said that he was going to end the Bush tax cuts to the wealthiest and that is what he is going to do. The people spoke at the ballot box and that is what the majority of Americans wants also. Pres. Obama was re-elected for what he said and HE will stick by his word. If the republicans don't vote to keep the tax cuts to the other 98% before the end of the year, then the American people will SPEAK again in 2014.

deacon blues 12-04-2012 04:18 AM
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The Republicans also won the House in November and a majority of Americans voting for Congressmen and women stated they wanted the legislature to remain in GOP hands. And since the Congress is granted the power of the purse, one must deduce that Americans don't want taxes raised but want smart economic policies enacted. Obama wasn't the only one on the ballot Nov. 6.

He most certainly lied. Go back and watch speech after speech. Check out his words in the debates. Time and again he stated specifically he would ask for $800 billion in taxes. NOW he's asking for twice that much.

Seascapes, if I told you I wanted to sell you a car for $10,000 and I told you this for several months. And then when you came to purchase the car I told you I wanted $20,000, you would say that I lied to you.

Its not hard to understand.

Esaias 12-04-2012 09:49 AM
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Yeah, well he wasn't the only one who's been lying...

Dedicated Mind 12-04-2012 12:39 PM
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800 billion was the republican revenue proposal. 1.6 trillion is the tax cuts expiring. name one source to support your claims.

Pressing-On 12-04-2012 02:43 PM
Re: Our President Lied To Us During The Campaign
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1205494)
Yeah, well he wasn't the only one who's been lying...
:thumbsup :thumbsup


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