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Dordrecht 12-11-2012 12:00 PM
Christian D-Day!
 
Christians must recognize that this is our Christian D-Day,
that the battle for soul of this nation is at its zenith,
that now is the time to come out of our caves,
that the future of Christian-America lies in the hands of the church,
that singing Christmas carols in our church is not sharing the Gospel.
The times, and our Lord, demand so much more.

Timmy 12-11-2012 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207093)
Christians must recognize that this is our Christian D-Day,
that the battle for soul of this nation is at its zenith,
that now is the time to come out of our caves,
that the future of Christian-America lies in the hands of the church,
that singing Christmas carols in our church is not sharing the Gospel.
The times, and our Lord, demand so much more.
Sounds familiar. Like what I've heard every year of my Christian life. :lol

Nitehawk013 12-11-2012 12:02 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Wow. Talk about taking things too seriously.

RandyWayne 12-11-2012 12:07 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nitehawk013 (Post 1207096)
Wow. Talk about taking things too seriously.
Some people are just wacky, wild, zany, crazy, goof balls! :)


I guess Dordt isn't one of them.

seekerman 12-11-2012 12:12 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207093)
Christians must recognize that this is our Christian D-Day,
that the battle for soul of this nation is at its zenith,
that now is the time to come out of our caves,
that the future of Christian-America lies in the hands of the church,
that singing Christmas carols in our church is not sharing the Gospel.
The times, and our Lord, demand so much more.
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.

TGBTG 12-11-2012 12:15 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
So what should be done, IYO?

Fiyahstarter 12-11-2012 10:53 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
OUCH!

I suspect somebody just got their feelings hurt!

There's so much truth in this post. And yet...I don't think this has been an "intentional" maneuver, rather, it's just HUMAN NATURE trying so hard to help God shine (as if He needs help) that we lose sight. We are so noisy, so distracting, so planned out, so programmed...we don't give God time to ENTER IN.

Help us Lord...

Someone on this forum posted this link not too long ago... It is so timely. Listen to it all! The ending is very powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smGew7dGto

AreYouReady? 12-11-2012 11:06 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
:thumbsup

What you described is called church building leadership skills.

seekerman 12-11-2012 11:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TGBTG (Post 1207103)
So what should be done, IYO?
Prayer, fasting, fellowship more than a couple of hours a week, prayer, fasting.

seekerman 12-11-2012 11:46 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter (Post 1207172)
OUCH!

I suspect somebody just got their feelings hurt!

There's so much truth in this post. And yet...I don't think this has been an "intentional" maneuver, rather, it's just HUMAN NATURE trying so hard to help God shine (as if He needs help) that we lose sight. We are so noisy, so distracting, so planned out, so programmed...we don't give God time to ENTER IN.

Help us Lord...

Someone on this forum posted this link not too long ago... It is so timely. Listen to it all! The ending is very powerful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6smGew7dGto
Thanks for posting the link, very powerful song, so much truth in it.

tv1a 12-11-2012 11:55 PM
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It's ironic many people cry for signs, wonders, healings and miracles but when they do occur, they are skeptical.

Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.

tv1a 12-12-2012 12:05 AM
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You're missing the most important step, GO. The devil doesn't mind if you pray, fast, and fellowship. The apostles prayed, fasted, and fellowshipped, but God sent persecution to the Jerusaleem church so they would be forced scatter.

Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207175)
Prayer, fasting, fellowship more than a couple of hours a week, prayer, fasting.

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 12:19 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Today in America, as the spiritual battle rages like
no time in our history, when God-hating forces
are boldly and blatantly declaring
that Jesus is not Lord,
what is the response of the Church?
When the forces of hell are unleashed
in the battle for the soul of this nation,
when the culture is crumbling like
a saltine cracker, when a society on the
verge of self-destruction screams for Truth,
how do Christians fight back?

AreYouReady? 12-12-2012 12:22 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Sadly we don't fight back with the appropriate enemy, Dordt. We are too busy fighting each other.

Truthseeker 12-12-2012 01:22 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
Wow! And so true

deacon blues 12-12-2012 03:57 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
The Gospel is the power of God (Romans 1:16). Too much sign seeking in Pentecostal circles. Too often the "show" is the nonBiblical falling out, seizures, convulsions, screaming, rolling, etc and calling it a move of God or power.

Timmy 12-12-2012 07:04 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
:popcorn2

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 10:29 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1207182)
Sadly we don't fight back with the appropriate enemy, Dordt. We are too busy fighting each other.
Yes, it seems like it!
Thinking that we are doing God's will,
that we are "sharing the Gospel" we have
become deluded into thinking that we are having an impact.
All of the while, we are playing the role that secular,
God-hating America has spelled out for us.
Sharing Jesus, with the already converted,
in the safety of our stained-glass fortresses,
reducing the birth of Jesus to nothing
more that a month-long birthday party.

AreYouReady? 12-12-2012 11:21 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207248)
Yes, it seems like it!
Thinking that we are doing God's will,
that we are "sharing the Gospel" we have
become deluded into thinking that we are having an impact.
All of the while, we are playing the role that secular,
God-hating America has spelled out for us.
Sharing Jesus, with the already converted,
in the safety of our stained-glass fortresses,
reducing the birth of Jesus to nothing
more that a month-long birthday party.
There is more truth in your words than many of us Christians would care to admit Dordt.

And we don't even share Jesus. We argue over who has the correct interpretation of God's Word.

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 12:31 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1207261)

And we don't even share Jesus. We argue over who has the correct interpretation of God's Word.
Many different groups of "Christendom" use
the Bible to prove contradictory teachings.
In the book Literal Interpretation of the Bible it says,
"Apparently the Bible can be made to prove almost anything."
Considering all the contradictions in the various
teachings all supposedly based on the Bible,
one must ask the question, "Who is right?"

Surely, God is not teaching, for example, that one
is saved by earning salvation by good works
and also teaching man is saved by God's Grace without works.

God cannot contradict Himself nor can He lie.
The question is then can God's truth be determined with absolute certainty?

Hanging in the balance is the very souls of men and their eternal destiny.

Timmy 12-12-2012 01:49 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207294)
Many different groups of "Christendom" use
the Bible to prove contradictory teachings.
In the book Literal Interpretation of the Bible it says,
"Apparently the Bible can be made to prove almost anything."
Considering all the contradictions in the various
teachings all supposedly based on the Bible,
one must ask the question, "Who is right?"

Surely, God is not teaching, for example, that one
is saved by earning salvation by good works
and also teaching man is saved by God's Grace without works.

God cannot contradict Himself nor can He lie.
The question is then can God's truth be determined with absolute certainty?

Hanging in the balance is the very souls of men and their eternal destiny.
Except for the last line, I could have written this! :lol

AreYouReady? 12-12-2012 03:18 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207294)
Many different groups of "Christendom" use
the Bible to prove contradictory teachings.
In the book Literal Interpretation of the Bible it says,
"Apparently the Bible can be made to prove almost anything."
Considering all the contradictions in the various
teachings all supposedly based on the Bible,
one must ask the question, "Who is right?"

Surely, God is not teaching, for example, that one
is saved by earning salvation by good works
and also teaching man is saved by God's Grace without works.

God cannot contradict Himself nor can He lie.
The question is then can God's truth be determined with absolute certainty?

Hanging in the balance is the very souls of men and their eternal destiny.
When I first became a Christian and was baptized in Jesus Name, the simplicity of the gospel made me feel so clean..so special with God. Then came all the little 'you gottas' creeping it's way into my life with various people telling me I gotta do this and I gotta do that.

You are so right when you say that there are no contradictions with God. When life gets too heavy for me, I have to go back to Matthew 11:28-30 for proper perspective to be returned to me.

I feel your heart in your posts here. We have so many of satan's minions attacking the Christian people that we just strike out trying to knock them away instead of being focused on Christ and His message.

renee819 12-12-2012 06:16 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
AMEN! AMEN! AND AMEN!!!!!

And I haven't seen any power for a long time.

I believe this applies.


Revelation 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 06:34 PM
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Look around you.
What do you see?
You see the Joel Osteen-type churches bulging out at the seams.
Churches--where pastors are unwilling to get involved
in anything "controversial," where pastors are content
to stay completely disengaged from anything
that might be deemed "political," and where
pastors refuse to even hear the truth of what
is really going on--are filled every Sunday.

They have the largest crowds,
biggest offerings, and most ornate buildings.
Why, in the name of common sense,
would you expect your pastor to "take a stand" or "get involved"?
Why should he?

You have--by your support, attendance,
and offerings--clearly told him that
you like him just the way he is!

AreYouReady? 12-12-2012 07:15 PM
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Yep

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 08:47 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Many churches (not all, thank God!)
have adopted the ways of the world.

Humanistic psychology is trying to meet
people's problems IN the churches.

There will be NO help from that source.

Jesus Christ is the only answer.

renee819 12-13-2012 07:55 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207408)
Many churches (not all, thank God!)
have adopted the ways of the world.

Humanistic psychology is trying to meet
people's problems IN the churches.

There will be NO help from that source.

Jesus Christ is the only answer.
That is why I can not find a church.

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 08:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by renee819 (Post 1207453)
That is why I can not find a church.
You are not the only one.

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 09:29 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1207102)
When Jesus, and the apostles, shared the gospel, signs and wonders, healings and deliverence followed. Today, the building-based 'church' entertainers will read one or two scriptures and give a short talk about life, stage elaborate plays about the bible, entertain with choreographed dances, blaring rock music and professional preachers attempting to advance in their denominational organization....but no signs and wonders, healings and deliverences.

If the power ain't there, there will be little or no change no matter what we do.
Just curious, why do you say there is no sign of healing, miracles and deliverance on these churches?

Do you follow their ministries and document the results? Not trying to be flippant, but just curious as to what you base this statement on? What fact?

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 09:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by renee819 (Post 1207453)
That is why I can not find a church.
Can't find a church why? None of them are holy enough?

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 10:02 AM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Humanistic psychology is trying to meet
people's problems IN the majority
of the churches today.

That's why it's hard to find a good church.

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 01:19 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207509)
Humanistic psychology is trying to meet
people's problems IN the majority
of the churches today.

That's why it's hard to find a good church.
To be honest, most Apostolic churches are clueless. They'll spend hours harping on the doctrine, but will rarely ever deal with "real life" issues. They don't teach people how to live life abundantly.

Have problems? They'll tell you to just "pray about it", which is like telling a hungry person "Just imagine that you're not hungry, it will be fine".

People slam Osteen and his compatriots, but he's doing something right - he has over 40,000 people who flock to the stadium every Sunday.

How many attend the church where you attend?

And, I really get tired of people saying "There's no power in my church", but failing to take personal responsibility to bring the power.

Sorry for my rant, but I'm tired of supposedly "holy" people who are disguising their lack of power behind a cloak of holiness - i.e., we have the truth, which is why people don't come to our church! They'd rather go somewhere where they can believe a lie.

HOGWASH!

If you had answers for people, they'd be filling up the aisles.....

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 02:05 PM
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Quote:
People slam Osteen and his compatriots, but he's doing something right - he has over 40,000 people who flock to the stadium every Sunday.
Lol. Numbers mean nothing.

One thing Osteen does right is
ear tickling, telling them what
they WANT to hear.

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207599)
Lol. Numbers mean nothing.

One thing Osteen does right is
ear tickling, telling them what
they WANT to hear.
Wrong. He tells them how to live better lives. Something Jesus did......but, many Apostolic churches don't do.

How many times do you find Jesus in church? Compare that to the amount of times you find him going thru the cities and towns, healing people, delivering them from their bondage, etc.

He didn't preach a lot of doctrine. He taught them how to live life more abundantly.

And you say numbers don't matter.........does your church take attendance? If so, why?

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 02:16 PM
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Quote:
He tells them how to live better lives.
A Department of Psychology

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 02:17 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207616)
A Department of Psychology
So, you're saying that teaching people how to manage their finances, their marriages, their children, their employer, etc. in a Godly manner is Psychology?

And, also, how many of Joel Osteen's messages have you actually listened to? Have you ever attended his church? Watched his program on TV? Listened on the radio?

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 02:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 1207617)
So, you're saying that teaching people how to manage their finances, their marriages, their children, their employer, etc. in a Godly manner is Psychology?
If it's done by a false teacher, yes!

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 02:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207620)
If it's done by a false teacher, yes!
Hahahahaha, dude, are you serious??????????

So, in other words, the Word is only true if it's spoken by someone who believes just like you do??????

Oh, and please answer my second question in the previous post........

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 02:30 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
It is infinitely more important
that you be in a church that preaches
the truth and takes a stand than
that your teens attend "the most exciting youth program,"
or that your kids are in one of
these glorified playgrounds (called "children's ministries")
so they can play games and stay entertained,
or that your church has a softball team,
or that it has the prettiest buildings, or that it has music you think is "just right," or that it is the "premier church in town"
for social gatherings or business contacts.
And yes, I have heard Osteen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwL1DThtxYg

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 02:33 PM
Re: Christian D-Day!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207629)
It is infinitely more important
that you be in a church that preaches
the truth and takes a stand than
that your teens attend "the most exciting youth program,"
or that your kids are in one of
these glorified playgrounds (called "children's ministries")
so they can play games and stay entertained,
or that your church has a softball team,
or that it has the prettiest buildings, or that it has music you think is "just right," or that it is the "premier church in town"
for social gatherings or business contacts.
And yes, I have heard Osteen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwL1DThtxYg
Well, let's see......what I hear in this video is that Joel believes that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, but he's going to let God be the judge of those who don't share his viewpoint.

That's what's got you all riled up?


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