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Dordrecht 12-12-2012 12:58 PM

Satan in the Church!
 
Satan In The Church!

Satan has successfully infiltrated many churches today, most in fact.

Churches today are saturated with ignorance,
demonic music, and doctrines of devils.
Many pastors and youth ministers have fallen
for the Devil's BIG LIE that the best way to reach
today's youth is through so-called Christian
music that mimics the unsaved world's music.

There's NOTHING "Christian" about such demonic music!

By imitating the unsaved world,
they have effectively brought the world
into the church.

1st Corinthians 10:21, "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."

There is NO justification for worldly music.
It's never right to do wrong in order to
get a chance to do right.
It is wrong to use demonic music to
draw worldly youths into church.

If young people today choose to rebel
against the truth of God's Word,
then you're not going to convert them
through worldly music with improved lyrics.

RandyWayne 12-12-2012 01:07 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
:popcorn2

Timmy 12-12-2012 01:11 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1207303)
:popcorn2

Gimme some o' that!

:popcorn2

Jermyn Davidson 12-12-2012 01:27 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
When Paul spoke of becomning everything and using all means so that by all means he might reach some, what was he talking about?

Jesus went into the bars to reach people, and he was called a wine bibber.

If he wasn't in the bars or place of drinking, it would never have been a criticism.


There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by Kirk Franklin.

There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by Greg McCool.

There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by that soul-winner that travels from town to town.

There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by that Grandmother who has lived the life for many, many years.


You want to keep Jesus in a box when the same Jesus you want to keep in the box operated outside of the box for most of His 3 years of ministry.


The worldliness we have to guard against is more subversive than music with a certain beat. The worldliness of an unconverted heart and the worldliness of a heart that lusts after the wickedness of our surrounding society-- these are the wiles of satan that traps us in worldliness, making us ineffective for God's Work.

Aquila 12-12-2012 01:27 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Music is music. Traditional black gospel is a mixture of Jazz and Blues. If you search Youtube, you'll find some ancient hymns in Aramaic, the language that Jesus spoke, and maybe you'll realize that music styles change naturally... it's the message that matters.

RandyWayne 12-12-2012 01:30 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1207307)
When Paul spoke of becomning everything and using all means so that by all means he might reach some, what was he talking about?

Jesus went into the bars to reach people, and he was called a wine bibber.

If he wasn't in the bars or place of drinking, it would never have been a criticism.


There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by Kirk Franklin.

There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by Greg McCool.

There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by that soul-winner that travels from town to town.

There are people who will be reached by the Gospel as presented by that Grandmother who has lived the life for many, many years.


You want to keep Jesus in a box when the same Jesus you want to keep in the box operated outside of the box for most of His 3 years of ministry.


The worldliness we have to guard against is more subversive than music with a certain beat. The worldliness of an unconverted heart and the worldliness of a heart that lusts after the wickedness of our surrounding society-- these are the wiles of satan that traps us in worldliness, making us ineffective for God's Work.

:santathumb

Jermyn Davidson 12-12-2012 01:32 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
"Go into the highways and by ways,", but not on that side of town because it's dangerous and God knows how to reach those folks if they are really sincere.

"Go into the highways and by ways," but not to that venue because the heart's of those people are not ready for the Gospel.

"Go into the highways and by ways," and demand those who will listen to and obey the Gospel to also give up their individuality and make them into the kind of Christian that you are not so that you can feel good about your works while ignoring your own disobedience.

While the Gospel of Christ demands our death, it does not demand your specific way of life or your specific views on life.

acjcpastor 12-12-2012 01:33 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Seriously? Did you ever consider that there was a day when Pipe Organs were thought too worldly for church? Style and beat have very little to do with music being classified as worship or demonic and I doubt the Holy Spirit is confined to our prejudices and stereotypes. I have to say though, when I read the Psalms and some of the OT scriptures about victory and praise, somehow, in my mind, I just don’t hear a mono-tone funeral dirge. For me it is all high energy, crescendos and trills. Our worship team thinks I’m old school because I can still enjoy some of those old 6/8 time waltzy church songs but I’m not stuck in 1960 and I’ve learned to worship and shout with the more contemporary stuff we sing these days.

BrotherEastman 12-12-2012 01:41 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207300)
Satan In The Church!

Satan has successfully infiltrated many churches today, most in fact.

Churches today are saturated with ignorance,
demonic music, and doctrines of devils.
Many pastors and youth ministers have fallen
for the Devil's BIG LIE that the best way to reach
today's youth is through so-called Christian
music that mimics the unsaved world's music.

There's NOTHING "Christian" about such demonic music!

By imitating the unsaved world,
they have effectively brought the world
into the church.

1st Corinthians 10:21, "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."

There is NO justification for worldly music.
It's never right to do wrong in order to
get a chance to do right.
It is wrong to use demonic music to
draw worldly youths into church.

If young people today choose to rebel
against the truth of God's Word,
then you're not going to convert them
through worldly music with improved lyrics.

good post

deacon blues 12-12-2012 02:40 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
There's more right with the chuch than wrong with the church.

Stop being so negative!

navygoat1998 12-12-2012 02:48 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvgsJGRqBVU

Michael The Disciple 12-12-2012 02:57 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207300)
Satan In The Church!

Satan has successfully infiltrated many churches today, most in fact.

Churches today are saturated with ignorance,
demonic music, and doctrines of devils.
Many pastors and youth ministers have fallen
for the Devil's BIG LIE that the best way to reach
today's youth is through so-called Christian
music that mimics the unsaved world's music.

There's NOTHING "Christian" about such demonic music!

By imitating the unsaved world,
they have effectively brought the world
into the church.

1st Corinthians 10:21, "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."

There is NO justification for worldly music.
It's never right to do wrong in order to
get a chance to do right.
It is wrong to use demonic music to
draw worldly youths into church.

If young people today choose to rebel
against the truth of God's Word,
then you're not going to convert them
through worldly music with improved lyrics.


Please give us an example or two of what is GODLY music to you. Then give us an example or two of what you are calling worldly music. Thanks!

Michael The Disciple 12-12-2012 03:07 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1207335)
There's more right with the chuch than wrong with the church.

Stop being so negative!

But where is this Church that has more right than wrong? I have been looking for it.

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 03:12 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1207335)
There's more right with the chuch than wrong with the church.

Stop being so negative!

Take a good look in the mirror.
The Devil is laughing.
He has spent the last few decades on vacation.

He didn’t have to oppose us because most
of us were doing a fine job of that
all by ourselves.

AreYouReady? 12-12-2012 03:26 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207346)

He didn’t have to oppose us because most
of us were doing a fine job of that
all by ourselves.

Confusion in the church system?

Michael The Disciple 12-12-2012 03:29 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1207337)

Without doubt that is a work of flesh. Notwithstanding it is not representative of any Christian music Im aware of.

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 03:57 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST — NOT MAN

The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my SONG will I PRAISE him. Psalm 28:7
CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS FOR THE LORD — NOT FOR THE WORLD

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts TO THE LORD. Colossians 3:16
CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS A NEW SONG — NOT AN OLD SONG

I will sing a NEW SONG unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee. Psalm 144:9
CHRISTIAN MUSIC'S MESSAGE SHOULD BE CLEAR — NOT VAGUE OR DECEPTIVE

I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the UNDERSTANDING also. 1 Cor. 14:15
CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD EMPHASIS THE MESSAGE — NOT THE MUSIC — NOR THE MUSICIAN

Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious. Psalm 66:2
CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS IN THE LOCAL CHURCH — NOT CONCERT HALLS, NIGHT CLUBS.

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the CHURCH will I sing praise unto thee. Hebrew 2:12
CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD FEED THE SPIRIT — NOT THE FLESH

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and SPIRITUAL songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Colossians 3:16
CHRISTIAN MUSICIANS SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE LORD — NOT WORLDLY

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Ephesians 5:18-21

BrotherEastman 12-12-2012 04:21 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207362)
CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST — NOT MAN

The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusted in him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoiceth; and with my SONG will I PRAISE him. Psalm 28:7
CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS FOR THE LORD — NOT FOR THE WORLD

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts TO THE LORD. Colossians 3:16
CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS A NEW SONG — NOT AN OLD SONG

I will sing a NEW SONG unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee. Psalm 144:9
CHRISTIAN MUSIC'S MESSAGE SHOULD BE CLEAR — NOT VAGUE OR DECEPTIVE

I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the UNDERSTANDING also. 1 Cor. 14:15
CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD EMPHASIS THE MESSAGE — NOT THE MUSIC — NOR THE MUSICIAN

Sing forth the honour of his name: make his praise glorious. Psalm 66:2
CHRISTIAN MUSIC IS IN THE LOCAL CHURCH — NOT CONCERT HALLS, NIGHT CLUBS.

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the CHURCH will I sing praise unto thee. Hebrew 2:12
CHRISTIAN MUSIC SHOULD FEED THE SPIRIT — NOT THE FLESH

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and SPIRITUAL songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Colossians 3:16
CHRISTIAN MUSICIANS SHOULD BE DEDICATED TO THE LORD — NOT WORLDLY

And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord; Ephesians 5:18-21

amen

tv1a 12-12-2012 04:28 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
They called Handel's Messiah devil music. Silent Night nearly cost a preacher his church. Amazing Grace became popular after the words were put to a bar tune. David and his band of writers lifted tunes from pagan countries and put "Jesus" lyrics to them.

Do you really want to go down this road?

Why shoukd the devil have all the good music?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207300)
Satan In The Church!

Satan has successfully infiltrated many churches today, most in fact.

Churches today are saturated with ignorance,
demonic music, and doctrines of devils.
Many pastors and youth ministers have fallen
for the Devil's BIG LIE that the best way to reach
today's youth is through so-called Christian
music that mimics the unsaved world's music.

There's NOTHING "Christian" about such demonic music!

By imitating the unsaved world,
they have effectively brought the world
into the church.

1st Corinthians 10:21, "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."

There is NO justification for worldly music.
It's never right to do wrong in order to
get a chance to do right.
It is wrong to use demonic music to
draw worldly youths into church.

If young people today choose to rebel
against the truth of God's Word,
then you're not going to convert them
through worldly music with improved lyrics.


Falla39 12-12-2012 05:33 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
If the devil has infilterated the church, how did he get in. Did he hitch a ride with people with bad spirits, or perhaps came in via spirits connected with music., etc.

When the church comes to the building and worships the one True God, when they leave, the church goes also.
God's people carry the Presence of God in their bodies, the temple of the Living God. A wooden box (ark) no longer carries the Presence around by staves.

It is imparative that the people who have received the Holy Ghost, stay FULL of the SPIRIT, so that there is no room for other things, spirits, etc. to slip in. We must read the WORD, obey the Word, live the Word, pray and fast to stay victorious.

So if the devil has infilterated the church, whose fault is it?

Falla39

Michael The Disciple 12-12-2012 06:16 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Good example of music that honors the Lord Jesus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EK1D...CCA93&index=20

BrotherEastman 12-12-2012 07:37 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1207366)
They called Handel's Messiah devil music. Silent Night nearly cost a preacher his church. Amazing Grace became popular after the words were put to a bar tune. David and his band of writers lifted tunes from pagan countries and put "Jesus" lyrics to them.

Do you really want to go down this road?

Why shoukd the devil have all the good music?

please provide scripture, I'm having a hard time swallowing that one.

Praxeas 12-12-2012 07:40 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
All music is neutral. It's the words that make them "worldly" or not

Dordrecht 12-12-2012 08:12 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
I think I have posted this on the forum earlier.
But I will repeat here:

The music you hear in church represents
the spiritual condition of that church.

We are what we listen to.

There are three kinds of music:

1. Of satan, by satan, for satan.
2. Of God, by God, for God.
3. Of man, by man, for man.

A spirit filled Christian is able to figure out
how to classify the music you are listening to.

Remember, "Christian Entertainment Music", is a way
of making money.
This music not anointed by the Holy Spirit.

ALL music, good and bad, goes directly to your
spirit!

When the doctrine is right,
the music will be right.

Hymns portray biblical doctrine.
Hymns are also a way of preaching.

This is what needs to be evaluated:

1. The music.
2. The people playing it.
3. The message in the songs.
4. Total presentation such as clothing, etc.

Amanah 12-13-2012 03:59 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Some CCM is very good and anointed.
It's taking back what the devil stole from the church as the roots of contemporary music are embedded in the church choir.

Why should the devil have all the good music?

Michael The Disciple 12-13-2012 06:13 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Music is not the biggest problem the Churches have. Much worse is the things they teach the people who attend. Believe only, once in grace always in grace, no need to be perfect in Christ, pre trib rapture and immortal soul. In other words almost the whole foundation.

Thats how the devil has decieved the masses.

The Lemon 12-13-2012 06:54 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Stop giving the Devil so much credit....he loves the attention. I agree with what the late Billy Cole said. He explained that we are not fighting with the Devil as much as we are with that fact that our society is a pleasure seeking society, and a people who love leasure....that is the biggest battle.

Michael The Disciple 12-13-2012 07:11 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Sorry friends many of the old hymns dont do it for me. Fell asleep to them to many times as a young kid in Church. Songs like this one by Rosannas Raiders built me up many a time back in the days of pure Christian Rock!

Like the words and the music! I miss this music. It vanished in the 90's. I like this genre for when Im driving or at my house. Not for the Sunday meeting tho.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enGCWt4FKUY

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 08:53 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
As far as I'm concerned,
there is no such thing as "Christian" rock.
When it's "rock" it cannot be Christian.
Call me old fashioned.

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 09:04 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207300)
Satan In The Church!

Satan has successfully infiltrated many churches today, most in fact.

Churches today are saturated with ignorance,
demonic music, and doctrines of devils.
Many pastors and youth ministers have fallen
for the Devil's BIG LIE that the best way to reach
today's youth is through so-called Christian
music that mimics the unsaved world's music.

There's NOTHING "Christian" about such demonic music!

By imitating the unsaved world,
they have effectively brought the world
into the church.

1st Corinthians 10:21, "Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils."

There is NO justification for worldly music.
It's never right to do wrong in order to
get a chance to do right.
It is wrong to use demonic music to
draw worldly youths into church.

If young people today choose to rebel
against the truth of God's Word,
then you're not going to convert them
through worldly music with improved lyrics.

Define "worldly" music?

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 10:03 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 1207476)
Define "worldly" music?

Not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Timmy 12-13-2012 11:37 AM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207513)
Not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

And you can tell which is and which isn't. Must be nice! :lol

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 12:11 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1207543)
And you can tell which is and which isn't. Must be nice! :lol

Hopefully some day you might be able to do the same.
:horn

tv1a 12-13-2012 12:57 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Psalms 22, 56, 60 are few Psalms with pagan tunes.


Quote:

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 1207400)
please provide scripture, I'm having a hard time swallowing that one.


BrotherEastman 12-13-2012 01:00 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 1207570)
Psalms 22, 56, 60 are few Psalms with pagan tunes.

But how do you know that the tunes are pagan?

Michael Phelps 12-13-2012 01:14 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207513)
Not inspired by the Holy Spirit.

That's a pretty broad definition.

What if music is rock and roll, but it's inspired by the Holy Spirit?

What if it's Gregorian chant, but unispired by the Holy Spirit?

Timmy 12-13-2012 01:28 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207557)
Hopefully some day you might be able to do the same.
:horn

Actually, I think I can do that, too. ;)

Dordrecht 12-13-2012 02:01 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps (Post 1207575)
That's a pretty broad definition.

What if music is rock and roll, but it's inspired by the Holy Spirit?

What if it's Gregorian chant, but unispired by the Holy Spirit?

There's no Rock and Roll
inspired by the Holy Spirit.

But you probably disagree,
which is just fine.

The day they start Rock and Roll
in our church is the last day I go there.

:bells

Praxeas 12-13-2012 02:08 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207474)
As far as I'm concerned,
there is no such thing as "Christian" rock.
When it's "rock" it cannot be Christian.
Call me old fashioned.

Fortunately for everyone else, you are not the judge. Your feelings or opinions don't prove anything

Also, unless your church is using classical music with no drum beat, it's all rock

Praxeas 12-13-2012 02:09 PM

Re: Satan in the Church!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1207594)
There's no Rock and Roll
inspired by the Holy Spirit.

But you probably disagree,
which is just fine.

The day they start Rock and Roll
in our church is the last day I go there.

:bells

I'd bet your church already uses "rock and roll", you just don't have any clue what rock is


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