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Michael The Disciple 12-16-2012 06:10 PM

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We see great moral outrage from people over the murders of the children in New England. It was a terrible work of evil which does bring enormous grief.

AND YET what about almost the total silence about the great Amerikan Holocaust?

MILLIONS of peacefully sleeping babies destroyed in their own mothers wombs!

Where are the tears? Where is the call for a national conversation? Where are the media types being a conscience for the nation? The folk singers bringing it home in a tune that wont go away?

Those who would dare to protest against it are put in jail while the Doctor(executioner) goes right on with his ghastly duties?

Why not call for a ban on abortion?

Dordrecht 12-16-2012 06:29 PM

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:santathumb

This all started in the late 1960's.
A nation moving away from God.
We are the one’s who believed that we could immerse
our children into seven-hours-a-day training in the
religion of Secular Humanism in “public” schools while
being foolish enough to believe that a twenty-something “youth leader”
was capable of undoing the garbage we had permitted to
be dumped into the skulls of the next generation of leaders.

ILG 12-16-2012 06:37 PM

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Yep.

mizpeh 12-16-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1208236)
We see great moral outrage from people over the murders of the children in New England. It was a terrible work of evil which does bring enormous grief.

AND YET what about almost the total silence about the great Amerikan Holocaust?

MILLIONS of peacefully sleeping babies destroyed in their own mothers wombs!

Where are the tears? Where is the call for a national conversation? Where are the media types being a conscience for the nation? The folk singers bringing it home in a tune that wont go away?

Those who would dare to protest against it are put in jail while the Doctor(executioner) goes right on with his ghastly duties?

Why not call for a ban on abortion?

:santathumb

Dordrecht 12-16-2012 07:47 PM

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Why not call for a ban on abortion?
You want trouble within the church???

TJJJ 12-16-2012 08:08 PM

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Preached on that thought this morning!

trialedbyfire 12-16-2012 08:20 PM

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This nation needs to repent.

KeptByTheWord 12-16-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1208236)
We see great moral outrage from people over the murders of the children in New England. It was a terrible work of evil which does bring enormous grief.

AND YET what about almost the total silence about the great Amerikan Holocaust?

MILLIONS of peacefully sleeping babies destroyed in their own mothers wombs!

Where are the tears? Where is the call for a national conversation? Where are the media types being a conscience for the nation? The folk singers bringing it home in a tune that wont go away?

Those who would dare to protest against it are put in jail while the Doctor(executioner) goes right on with his ghastly duties?

Why not call for a ban on abortion?

My daughter just prepared a speech for her Communications class on this very thought last week. I am so proud of her for being brave enough to take this message to her fellow 11th grade classmates. Her speech was rewarded with applause. Most of her fellow classmates had no idea how bad this abortion Holocaust is here in our own America.

Yet, where indeed is the remorse for 53 MILLION babies in the US alone murdered since 1973?

We need to ask ourselves these questions indeed.

deacon blues 12-17-2012 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1208274)
My daughter just prepared a speech for her Communications class on this very thought last week. I am so proud of her for being brave enough to take this message to her fellow 11th grade classmates. Her speech was rewarded with applause. Most of her fellow classmates had no idea how bad this abortion Holocaust is here in our own America.

Yet, where indeed is the remorse for 53 MILLION babies in the US alone murdered since 1973?

We need to ask ourselves these questions indeed.

You have a right to be proud.

What is tragic are those that believe abortion either should be a non issue when they vote or it is a peripheral issue. If you have a conscience and ever read Reagan's "Abortion and the Conscience of a Nation" you will understand how this one issue defines so much about who and what we are as a nation. There's a lot of innocent blood on our hands. God hates those that shed innocent blood (Proverbs 6).

Cindy 12-17-2012 09:57 AM

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Why is it okay to kill babies before they're born, and not after?

Dordrecht 12-17-2012 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1208410)
Why is it okay to kill babies before they're born, and not after?

Ask the White House.

KeptByTheWord 12-17-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 1208372)
You have a right to be proud.

Thank You.

KeptByTheWord 12-17-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1208410)
Why is it okay to kill babies before they're born, and not after?

What a great question to ask... a girl can have a baby in a toilet, drown it, and be convicted of murder... yet, she could have went down to an abortion clinic, and had it murdered inside her womb with a forceps and knife and never be considered a murderer.

Incredibly sickening, and disgusting to see where this mindset has taken our country.

Aquila 12-17-2012 10:47 AM

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Bluring two very serious issues.

Cindy 12-17-2012 11:18 AM

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Bluring two very serious issues.

Really? Both dead because of outside intervention.

Aquila 12-17-2012 11:28 AM

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From the outset, I’d like to say that I do NOT agree with abortion itself. However, there are some issues that no one appears to be considering. In my opinion, abortion and the massacre in Newtown shouldn’t be compared. Here’s why I think so…

The abortion issue is about civil liberties and the power of GOVERNMENT over a woman’s body. The 4th Amendment protects against unlawful searches and seizures of an individual’s person, property, papers, and/or effects. For the GOVERNMENT to ban abortion, it would essentially have to seize the bodies of every pregnant woman and use its inherent police power to FORCE a woman to give birth. This essentially relegates pregnant women to being “breeders” in our society. Then we are faced with the issue of “criminalization”. What would be the charge? If the charge is “murder” there isn’t a statute of limitations on murder. Therefore, EVERY woman who has ever procured an abortion would have to be hunted down and brought to justice. The charge? Murder. To do anything less would downgrade the seriousness of the issue. Even when abortion was illegal the charge wasn’t necessarily “murder” and the most that could happen was a short stint of jail time (in some cases), a fine, and perhaps the loss of a medical license. To return to this also lessens the seriousness of the issue if we are to believe the rhetoric and causes me to wonder, "Why bother?"

Then we have the issue of exceptions. Let’s say that a woman is in a very serious situation and her doctor believes that abortion should be an option to preserve her life or health??? Do we go with that doctor’s opinion? Do we require a panel of doctors to agree that abortion should be an option??? How do we clear the decision of these doctors through the courts? And what if it is an election year and allowing her to die could make some die hard on the issue look more “Pro-Life”??? If it were my wife on the table… I believe that decision should strictly be between my wife and I… our God… and our doctor. I wouldn’t want a GOVERNMENT bureaucrat calling shots that directly affect my wife’s life and/or health.

Because of all of these complications, and others not mentioned, many believe that although abortion is a terrible thing… it’s best to leave the power of choice in the hands of individual women. A GOVERNMENT that can prohibit abortion and force a woman to give birth… can mandate abortion and force a woman to abort. Keep GOVERNMENT out of it.

The school shooting is more of an issue regarding effective parenting and monitoring of our kids as they grow up… and school security.

It sounds to me like the liberals are going to degrade the issue and exploit the issue to advance gun control… and this post is degrading the issue and exploiting it to advance Pro-Life abortion politics.

We need to end the hate and come down to some common sense resolutions without venomous rhetoric. The tension being created in our society, in my opinion, is partly to blame. If everyone would just SHUT UP and endeavor to live at peace with one another we wouldn’t have such a high stress and fragmented society wherein so many with serious mental issues fall through the cracks and snap.

In my opinion… abortion is legal… it’s a woman’s choice. Legally, get over it. Now, work on addressing those issues that women in crisis pregnancies face and offer alternatives to abortion.

In my opinion… the 2nd Amendment protects our right to bear arms. Legally, get over it. Now, work on addressing those issues that drive crazed lunatics to commit such terrible acts. Reduce the hate. Improve school security.

Aquila 12-17-2012 11:30 AM

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The Right Left paradigm that is ripping our nation apart needs to end. We need to be adults and come to a concensus. Preachers, politicians, radio talk show hosts, and "would be prophets" should be run out of town on a rail if they dont' SHUT UP and understand the necessity for social peace... or the blood of children is on their hands. They are creating such social unrest... people are snapping.

We need to be adult enough to accept some things that we don't agree with because the alternatives are just far worse.

trialedbyfire 12-17-2012 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1208410)
Why is it okay to kill babies before they're born, and not after?

Because we're trained for the sake of "civility" to not call abortion what it is: infanticide.

We have to hide from "divisive" terms and "angry rhetoric". Jesus called the Pharisees vipers. I'll call abortionists what they are murderers.

I won't lie for the sake of civility.

Aquila 12-17-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1208493)
Because we're trained for the sake of "civility" to not call abortion what it is: infanticide.

We have to hide from "divisive" terms and "angry rhetoric". Jesus called the Pharisees vipers. I'll call abortionists what they are murderers.

I won't lie for the sake of civility.

And this is where some nutcase with a loose screw takes it upon himself to "killer the murderers" and doctors, women, and often innocent medical staff are at risk. Maybe some nutcase creats a WMD and decides to judge America for "infanticide".

This is the kind of stupid talk that needs to end. Abortion is abortion. The GOVERNMENT doesn't force women to abort nor to have their children. Individual women choose abortion. They are the ones who have to bear this sin.

Frankly, I think the GOVERNMENT should stay out of it. No GOVERNMENT should have the power to seize a woman's body and force her to abort or give birth.

Aquila 12-17-2012 01:36 PM

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What if a Pro-Life nutcase decides to blow up a school in a liberal stronghold in the NE because they feel the liberals need to feel the loss of their children because of all the children "their policies have murdered???"

This is dangerous talk. The world is getting too crazy to talk like this. Those wreckless enough to talk like this share the blame before God in my opinion.

Everyone has blood on their hands.

trialedbyfire 12-17-2012 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1208500)
What if a Pro-Life nutcase decides to blow up a school in a liberal stronghold in the NE because they feel the liberals need to feel the loss of their children because of all the children "their policies have murdered???"

This is dangerous talk. The world is getting too crazy to talk like this. Those wreckless enough to talk like this share the blame before God in my opinion.

Everyone has blood on their hands.

No sir. You have this twisted.

A murderer is a murderer, I could care less the circumstance. That pro-life nutcase is as much a murderer as the abortionists he murderered. In this nation we do not take things into our own hands unless it is out of self-defense, we allow the justice system and God handle those battles.

I am not responsible for the actions of a nutjob because I refuse to sugar-coat abortion and not call it what it is.

Cindy 12-17-2012 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1208556)
No sir. You have this twisted.

A murderer is a murderer, I could care less the circumstance. That pro-life nutcase is as much a murderer as the abortionists he murderered. In this nation we do not take things into our own hands unless it is out of self-defense, we allow the justice system and God handle those battles.

I am not responsible for the actions of a nutjob because I refuse to sugar-coat abortion and not call it what it is.

:santathumb

Aquila 12-18-2012 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1208556)
No sir. You have this twisted.

A murderer is a murderer, I could care less the circumstance. That pro-life nutcase is as much a murderer as the abortionists he murderered. In this nation we do not take things into our own hands unless it is out of self-defense, we allow the justice system and God handle those battles.

I am not responsible for the actions of a nutjob because I refuse to sugar-coat abortion and not call it what it is.

The point is... there are those who are mentally and emotionally unstable. It IS your responsibility to use common sense and not use inflamatory language that might spark a string of shootings. When one has the floor, a pulpit, or a public platform... they have a responsibility to use wisdom.

I like what Anonymous has done. There is a church that uses heated rhetoric all the time to get publicity during various social crisis and debates. Anonymous hacked into their network and publically posted names, phone numbers, and addresses of those adults working for the church and the opinion that this church is dangerous to society. LOL

Of course... they were warned. They were going to turn the funerals of the kids in Newtown into a protest to advance prayer in schools, their anti-abortion message, and gun rights. They were warned to stay away and allow families to grieve. Of course this selfish publicity whore of a church couldn't be reasoned with. So... they deserve to be put out in the open... according to Anonymous.

Now... with their safety on the line... maybe they'll grasp the idea of using wisdom with their words.

trialedbyfire 12-18-2012 01:11 PM

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Calling abortion what it is is not inflammatory language. The act itself is inflammatory. When sin and disorder becomes so rampant in a nation SOMEONE has to call it for what it is or no one will understand that it's wrong. Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. Adultery is wrong. Witchcraft is wrong. Murder is wrong. Sin is wrong. I'm not protesting at anyone's funeral, I have more respect and sanity then that. However am I going to sit here and pretend that using this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda doesn't bother me? No. I think it's inflammatory to use tragedies to push your political agenda.

Light 12-18-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1208762)
Calling abortion what it is is not inflammatory language. The act itself is inflammatory. When sin and disorder becomes so rampant in a nation SOMEONE has to call it for what it is or no one will understand that it's wrong. Abortion is wrong. Homosexuality is wrong. Adultery is wrong. Witchcraft is wrong. Murder is wrong. Sin is wrong. I'm not protesting at anyone's funeral, I have more respect and sanity then that. However am I going to sit here and pretend that using this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda doesn't bother me? No. I think it's inflammatory to use tragedies to push your political agenda.

Please show the bill or bills that would outlaw guns!!

trialedbyfire 12-18-2012 05:12 PM

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Please show the bill or bills that would outlaw guns!!

Show me where I said the bill will outlaw guns.:santaclaus

trialedbyfire 12-18-2012 05:24 PM

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The fact is I grew up in Washington DC. At 14 I could walk down the street and buy just about any weapon I wanted no questions asked if I had the money. Gun control does not get "guns off the streets", it gets guns out of the hands of responsible and law abiding citizens.

Light 12-18-2012 05:30 PM

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Show me where I said the bill will outlaw guns.:santaclaus

This was your statement
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However am I going to sit here and pretend that using this tragedy to push an anti-gun agenda doesn't bother me?
Which lawmaker is pushing a (your words)ANTI-GUN AGENDA?
There is not one lawmaker or the president trying to take away your guns.

Originalist 12-18-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 1208880)
This was your statement
Which lawmaker is pushing a (your words)ANTI-GUN AGENDA?
There is not one lawmaker or the president trying to take away your guns.

Ha ha. Let's see what you're saying in a couple of days.

Michael The Disciple 12-18-2012 06:31 PM

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What is the ratio of nut case bombers killing Abortionists to that of the peaceful sleeping in mothers womb children be killed?

50,000 to 1? Probably more than that.

My "nut case" wife has been in various jails in Amerika for merely preaching the gospel of Jesus and the right to life at Abortion killing centers.

Light 12-18-2012 08:39 PM

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Ha ha. Let's see what you're saying in a couple of days.

So your statement is not true, just a false hood perpetrated by the NRA?

Aquila 12-19-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by trialedbyfire (Post 1208556)
No sir. You have this twisted.

A murderer is a murderer, I could care less the circumstance. That pro-life nutcase is as much a murderer as the abortionists he murderered. In this nation we do not take things into our own hands unless it is out of self-defense, we allow the justice system and God handle those battles.

I am not responsible for the actions of a nutjob because I refuse to sugar-coat abortion and not call it what it is.

Here's an interesting news story...

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/12/18/...-picket-plans/

Here's a thought...

If some nutcase gets so inflamed by Westboro's actions... at least they now have targets. I guess that wouldn't have anything to do with Anonymous' message regarding the danger posed to society by that religious organization would it???

Aquila 12-19-2012 07:01 AM

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The power of life and death is in the tongue. Use it wisely is all I'm saying.


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