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So good ole Mike Huckabee basically said that the school shooting happened due to us taking GOD out of schools. Does everyone agree with this? To me this makes it sound like GOD is punishing school children by killing them for their lack of prayer in schools. I bet there was some Christians sprinkled in the group. You are going to tell me that GOD let this happen due to our lack of prayer in schools? To me statements like this make Christians look bad.

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It depends.

Based on the Bible, does God hear the prayers of people who don't know Him?

Based on the Bible, is there any value to a general acknowledgment of God by people who are still lost in their sins?

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what about the shooting at the Amish school house?

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You are entitled to your opinions as he is. People that say others make Christians look bad, make Christians look bad, IMO.

Psalm 139:1-13

King James Version (KJV)

1 O lord, thou hast searched me, and known me.

2 Thou knowest my downsitting and mine uprising, thou understandest my thought afar off.

3 Thou compassest my path and my lying down, and art acquainted with all my ways.

4 For there is not a word in my tongue, but, lo, O Lord, thou knowest it altogether.

5 Thou hast beset me behind and before, and laid thine hand upon me.

6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me; it is high, I cannot attain unto it.

7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;

10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.

11 If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.

12 Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.

13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

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We need to get prayer in our homes before we worry about prayer in schools.

Besides... do you want some liberal Episcopal Christian leading the class to pray? How about a Muslim? A Hindu? Or a New Age teacher? The schools aren't qualified to lead kids in prayer.

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No MAN can take God out of anywhere. He can however withdraw himself from individuals.

Matthew 10:28

King James Version (KJV)

28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

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someone asked the question "where was God"

I responded with, you dont get to abandon God then when things go wrong wonder where He is."

That is not an indication that God "caused" something to happen. However, when you turn from any association with God and morality, it stands to reason that society will drift. That drift has natural fallout.

It is no different from people who feed their bodies junkfood all day every day then blames God when they get sick. God didnt make them sick. They made themselves sick.

God was not behind this killing. A societ that has become Godless however is.

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Well said.

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I would point to two things.

1. God did not utterly distroy Ammon (I believe it was Ammon) because according to the bible "their cup of iniquity was not yet full".

Saul was later ordred to distroy them. They had reached that point. my study indicates they had begun child sacrifice.

2. The story of Jonah is instructive. The city repented of its evil. These were not Jewish people to start with and they were not Jewish people when Jonah left.

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No I don't agree with that because that's not what he said. That's what the liberal spin machine said he said.

He said in a nut shell that people who ask "where's God in all this" shouldn't be looking for God to have intervene because they generally don't want God in the school anyway.

Which is the same sentiment I made and a valid point.

Here's the real issue: as long as we let immorality run rampant in this country there are going to be heinous crimes against humanity. It is not "God punishing children" it is the natural outcome of a nation which looses it's moral standing. This isn't limited to school prayer, although that has something to do with it, but it's homosexuality, the broken family structure, pornography, abortion, these violent video games, parents no longer parenting their children, the welfare/nanny state expanding, etc.

If immorality is the order of the day, guess what... people will act immoral. If we keep pretending like people have a "right" to practice immorality and do whatever they want and change what is moral and what isn't in society, and we should deal with it and "mind our business", unfortunately our society's children suffer. I wish it were some other way, but our society is spawning these out of control ruthless killers, they're not just randomly popping up for no reason.

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I will let anyone pray around me and with my children. As long as they're praying to Jesus Christ. BTW they already are praying to Allah in some California schools...

...if you think there's isn't agenda to do here what you already know they're doing in Europe and the left isn't behind it I just don't know what to tell you.

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One could argue he does not tend to them the way he tends to the prayers of the righteous no. However Nebuchadnezzar had a very strange relationship with God as King over Babylon and God at one point bless his kingdom when the king gave him glory.

God does bless nations that turn to him alone, I do believe. Even though leadership may be lost, if the president of this nation saved or not said God I am turning this nation to your hands and we will no longer offend you with our sins as a nation, I believe God will accept that repentance.

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I want to know why the emboldemed is not being declared UNCONSTITUIONAL by the Supreme Court????? :foottap

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Looks like the Christians are going to have to file a lawsuit to have the law applied equally.....

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You mean all the Christians that are scared of our government? Why haven't we all been jailed for standing up to the government? Why aren't Pastor's all over the country in prison?

Because we don't stand up against immorality, and are powerless. And they don't fear us, like they did Jesus and the Apostle's. We sit in our safe homes and churches and are law abiding citizens.

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I remember as a child going with my Mom to a little Baptist church to sign a petition to keep prayer in schools. Not a lot of people showed up. But those older Baptist ladies, were there serving coffee and cookies.

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When we have such a diverse population being imported into America, unrestrained immigration, the Government has to try to destroy Christianity. They use our very own scriptures against standing up to them such as Romans 13. Many Pastors teach Romans 13 in a twisted way.

Now, if I had children in a public school system, I would not want "school prayer" to be reinstituted because they might make a law stating that the children will have to sit and listen or participate in prayers to Allah, Vishnu, Mithra, Zeus, Shiva or any of the other 3 million idol 'gods' out there that people worship.

I was a little girl when the courts outlawed school prayer. I came to school one day and we all stood for the pledge of allegiance and prayer. She told us to sit down after the pledge.

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Yes, I remember.

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I grew up in the RCC. I don't remember anything ever being said or done about it aside from neighborhood talk. And I grew up in a place where there was a catholic church or two in every neighborhood.

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Yeah, no march on Washington. And no MLK to stand up for the right to pray at school. :(

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WUT?!?!? Proof?

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I don't think he said that

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I think he was saying,

We've told God we didn't want Him around and now we're saying, "God where were You?"

We are inconsistent.

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:santathumb

Right, it is like someone eating junk food and blaming God for not healing them. Any time a society loses it's moral compass, there are going to be problems and it won't be God's fault.

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As I posted on Facebook:


"We have 5 children. They all went to public/government schools. I would not want a government employee teaching my children to pray a government approved prayer."


and as Kendall Odle said on Facebook and I later quoted him:

"...there is no law against praying in schools, only against government led prayers." Kendall Odle


I personally do not think our government should force a government prayer upon all children because we are so ethnically and culturally diverse. One size does not fit all.

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Thanks everyone for the good discussion. I realized that I didnt get the full context of the original statements. Very few things make me cry. This whole thing almost did. Its really sad. I found myself wondering where GOD was in all of it.

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Where He was before, during, and after.

And I have a question, do evil people know they are evil?

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Guys like that are mentally disturbed and have lost all reality in terms of whats right and wrong. Why else would he do that?

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God was right there with those children, when there were being shot and dying!! It was a great sadness to Him, but He knows the whole story, the earth and all that is in it is going to be redeemed!

You will have trouble in this world..."fear not, for I have overcome the world..." How has he overcome such an evil action of one of His creatures??? He is going to redeem it ALL!