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I saw the thread on the Trinity and thought I would post a thought here.

There is a diagnosis for the doctrine called the Trinity. Before going there allow me to mention some things Trinitarians are famous for.

The obvious is of course the delusion that there are three persons consisting of god, The father, the son, and the holy ghost. So allow me to ask some basic questions.
1) Does the "Father" have a distinct way of talking? The answer is yes!
The father speaks from heaven (Luke 3:22).

2) Does the Son have a distinct way of talking? Again the answer is yes!
The son has a voice like many waters (Rev. 1:15).

3) Does the Holy Ghost have a distinct way of talking? Again the answer is YES!
The holy spirit speaks with other peoples voices (Acts 2:3).

Now this is also important to our "diagnosis" of the Trinity. Do any of the members ever take upon themselves attributes of animals? Again the answer is YES!
The Holy Spirit acts like an animal where he appears as a dove (Luke 3:22).


So what does this mean for the Trintiarian doctrine? It means that the Trinity has what is known as Dissociative Identity Disorder.

Here are some symptoms:
The different identities have their own postures, gestures, and distinct way of talking. Sometimes the alters are imaginary people; sometimes they are animals. As each personality reveals itself and controls the individuals' behavior and thoughts, it's called "switching." Switching can take seconds to minutes to days. When under hypnosis, the person's different "alters" or identities may be very responsive to the therapist's requests.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/d...ality-disorder

Quite a tragedy really that people would believe such nonsense!

1=3? seriously?

Thank God for the truth!

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Has anybody ever thought that maybe Satan wants to get Christians to fight and kill one another like the different sects of Islam do because of differences in their doctrines amongst themselves?

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:santathumb:santathumb

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Trinitarians aren't Christians.

All 1st century Christains were baptized in Jesus Name and believed in Deut. 6:4......




:D

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Amen

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Let's all get together and sing we all live in a yellow submarine.
Doctrine is not important. Hmmm.
I do not dislike Trintiarians.
Paul did say something about those who preach another gospel let them be accursed.

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...and they used to say that african-americans were only 3/5 of a person. Sheesh! Guess what? when they get cut, they bleed like the white people do. When their feelings hurt, they cry real tears. They love.

There are many things OPs practice and preach that do not even remotely resemble the 1st century Christians too.

Is this attitude going to persuade somebody to be baptized in Jesus Name?

Or are you just being facetious with your green-faced grin?

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Amen.:santathumb

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What Apostolic has said that? You are confused and decieved.

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Did I say Apostolics said that?

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The "they" is the referring to people who make serious or even facetious arguments about other people.

So...I am deceived because I would rather leave judgment to Christ and refuse to judge somebody else's walk with Christ?

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Truth. :santathumb

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But would you judge their doctrine?

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And Oneness doesn't have this very same diagnosis? One, single person sometimes speaks with different voices? Sometimes acts like and appears as an animal? :blink

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yeah, yeah, the "party line" says that all 1st century Christians were baptized in Jesus' name and continued that belief and practice until the Council of Nicea when the "baptismal formula" was changed. With one stroke of the pen the "church" immediately went from oneness to trinity. Wonder what "real" historians would say about that?

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Prove it.

:penguin

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The trinitarian god?

Roses are Red
Volets are blue
im skitzophrenic
and so am i
and so am i

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No Oneness does NOT have this diagnosis. There is only ONE person to God not three BIG difference. I see you did not review the link or you would have seen:
Dissociative identity disorder is characterized by the presence of two or more distinct or split identities or personality states.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/d...ality-disorder

Oneness has only ONE distinct identity that is why it is called ONENESS not THREENESS.

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The quote only specified the first century. How is that you went from the first century to the fourth? That is misleading and fallacious until the person you have quoted actually makes such a remark.

BTW Christians are only Christians when they have been baptized in Jesus name in any century. Without baptism in Jesus name you are not a Christian no matter how many times you go to church, kiss the Pope, or observe any other form of worship - having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof...

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Yes, I know. One distinct identity that speaks with different voices and sometimes acts like and appears as an animal. You are making no sense at all.

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So in the Trinity, so they say, there really are three persons, who do different things and have different voices and act like three persons. In Oneness, you have one person who does different things and has different voices and acts like three persons. But Trinity is sick? :blink

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When I was seeking God in my early 20s, in my bumbling way, I relied on God to show me what to do and where to go. I was talking to God as if He was looking down at only me from the heavens.

I questioned everybody I came into contact with about their denominational beliefs. JWs and Mormons knocked on my door. I nixed many denominations pretty quick. I guess one could say that I judged their doctrine. But I judged their doctrine not to be for me and not what I was looking for. You know what started causing me to seek back in 1979? The 700 Club. I watched that program until the desire to know Jesus was born into my heart. God used a television show to reach me.

I am amazed that God in His infinite wisdom and mercy even heard my prayers as a sinner woman, one who greatly sinned. Yet, He led me to the church I was supposed to attend for that time.

A Baptist minister came to my home for discussion and invited me to church. I attended several services including watch night services. I knew that I was supposed to get Baptized and I held off for a while. I pondered for a long time that there was more to changing my life than just professing and getting baptized. I wanted to know what that 'more' was.

God was leading me.

Then one Sunday morning as I got into my car, I felt a nudge to go to the First United Pentecostal Church in my area. I turned left to the UPC instead of right to the Baptist Church. When I got there, the Holy Ghost was so strong upon me that I cried throughout the whole service. I never had that feeling before. I was humiliated at myself because I sat in that pew for the whole service and cried my eyes out. I felt embarassed because people were looking at me. I did not know that this was a normal thing that happens during church services at that time.

This was when I knew this was where God wanted me to be. And I knew that this was where I was supposed to be baptized. I was baptized in Jesus Name at the First UPC Church several weeks later without even knowing the magnitude of being baptized in Jesus Name. This was where God led me. It was a full year later that I understood the importance of Jesus Name baptism.

Now, let me tell you, I was not exactly seeking the finer points in doctrine. Babies don't seek meat and potatoes when they are born. They just want to suckle nourishment from milk. I was just looking for Christ. I was like a blind person who could not see, but could feel, think, taste and smell. All my other senses were kicking in when it came to seeking where I was to go. God led me to the UPC for the Baptism. I don't think I would have gone to any OP church had somebody, pastor or saint, told me I was lost while I was attending the Baptist church. But I would have come to visit if they gently told me that they wanted to 'show me a more excellent way' to Christ.

I love the Name of Jesus. I love that God took care of me during my time of seeking and thereafter and continues to do so.

Now, I have a question for you.

Why is it that the JWs, the Mormons, the Baptist minister and the television preacher were the only ones who came into my home to discuss and talk scripture about God to me? The United Pentecostals did not knock on my door to want bible study or to share scriptures. God led me to them. I would have never known that there was even a UPC church in the city had not one 'lowly' saint came to invite my then husband to service. He did not witness, bless his heart, he just knocked on the door, invite and left.

No. I cannot judge people who are trinitarian's walk with God. I needed that time with these other people so that God can lead me in the way He would have me to go. And YOU don't know how God currently may be dealing with their hearts either.

Oneness folks, imo, have the right baptismal formula, but many of them throw people away afterwards when people do not line up to their extrabiblical standards. Many don't treat folks right. Many don't love folks with a patient, unconditional love like God has for us. Some seem to be incapable of loving people just like they are. Sometimes it takes a lifetime for folks to line up to the OP church standards in full understanding. But many folks are hurried into "their convictions" of the OP standards...almost like it is expected within a certain time frame to have them. And some may never believe certain standards are necessary for salvation. UPC should leave that alone and let them work that out with their Savior.

My Jesus Name Baptism, Holy Ghost and Christ Himself is all I have left. It is enough to sustain me. I do not feel comfortable in any UPC Church in this region because of their actions. It is shameful and it is sad.

And yes, when I find that loving church who loves Christ, tries their very best to do Christ's will and is kind to people despite their faults, I will attend and fellowship with them, even if they are of trinitarian belief because they cannot ever take away what God has put into my heart so they are not a threat to me.

You, old paths, mrnbcox or steve epley can never take my salvation away from me just because I might fellowship with trinitarians and you all cannot make any truthful claim that you know what is in the hearts of God-loving people of other denominations. The Holy Ghost could be dealing with them and you could be hindering the move of the Spirit with your blather.

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As mentioned in another post Christians are Christians only after being baptized in Jesus' name. Thus the first part is proven simply with common sense. You are not a Christian until His name is invoked in baptism no matter what century.
Note: This is an Apostolic site so I have not emphasized repentance and receiving the Holy Ghost because it is assumed we all agree with this. What was being asked was proof of Christians being baptized in Jesus name and belief in Deu. 6:4.

As to the Deu. 6:4 - it is established that the early church was established upon Juddaic principles. The gospel was established through Judaism. Deu. 6:4 is the single most important verse within Judaism. Therefore in keeping with the monotheism of Judaism Christianity is monotheistic (Deu. 6:4). Proof is not required for this as this is the natural flow of doctrine.

"Proof" is required by those who would argue for a different foundation than Deu. 6:4. Prima Facie evidence is that Christians "born" into a Christianity rooted and established upon Judaism would without question be established upon Deu. 6:4. It is the responsibility of the critic to "prove" otherwise.

Ball in your court...

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That is correct. DID is the new way of talking about MPD. Nowhere does Oneness speak of multiple personalities.

The ONE person of God manifesting Himself in multiple ways is NOT MPD - DID.

If it is your intent to show that Oneness has MPD/DID then present the evidence. I have presented the evidence for the Trinitarian doctrine of three persons in One God and given the diagnosis. It is up to you to prove the diagnosis wrong and/or prove the same diagnosis for the Oneness position which you cannot because there are not distinct persons within the Oneness paradigm.

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I am glad led you to a place where you His name would be invoked over you in baptism. I will not get into my testimony but I never had anyone "invite" me either. As to your question about why some "others" visited but not a OP how in the world can I know that answer? I can't answer that for myself. The fact is God led, thank God He still leads sincere hearts.

So I could easily turn the question around and say since your testimony is one of a sincere person as well as mine we have two witnesses revealing God leads sincere people to truth - Jesus name baptism. The question that begs to be asked is: if we were led why aren't those that came and visited you? Is it possible they are not sincere?


The next thing is that until they are born again they cannot enter heaven period end of story. It does not matter how nice they are or how mean someone else is. You must be born again period.

BTW I am not trying to take away your salvation.

If you loved those people you would try to tell them the truth of Jesus name baptism.

FTR I have Trinitarian friends. I have spoken to them at different times about different things and I have been invited to speak at their churches though it has not yet transpired. I am waiting for God to help me know what to say and when to say it while praying for them.

That is not the type of "fellowship" that is being mentioned IMO. If I am wrong those who feel that way may correct me.

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I'm not trying to prove anything. What I am saying is your post could have been written, with a few changes, by a Trinny as a critique of Oneness, and it would make more sense. Oneness has a single person who speaks at different times in different voices (as you said), and sometimes appears as an animal (as you said). Further, this hypothetical Trinny might point out that this one person talks to himself, knows different things as different manifestations, has different desires (wills), etc. etc. As three persons doing all these things, THERE IS NO MENTAL ILLNESS!

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The fallacy of the argument is the same. Oneness doctrine has one person - one God period. For there to be a diagnosis of MPD/DID there fundamentally must be two or more PERSONS/identities of the one being.

Please illustrate where Oneness makes the case for two or more identities of the one being ie God. Without that the fundamental foundation is gone and the house of cards comes tumbling down, Therefore, the Trintiarian cannot accuse Oneness of MPD/DID.

BTW I have made airplane sounds to help children eat. I have acted as a horse while kids were riding me yet I am not diagnosed with MPD/DID because I am ONE PERSON. In Oneness there is ONE GOD period not three.

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I suppose my point would be is that many OPs get on forums, get behind the pulpit and talk among themselves about other denominations being 'lost', yet they will not have the courage to step out there to knock on a door to reach out to discuss Jesus Name baptism. If they believe it so much, why don't they do that instead of running trinitarian belief system down? Why don't, when they get on forums where there are many people who believe in the trinitarian doctrine reading the comments, bring to them a 'more excellent way' instead of blathering on about how lost they are?

Like your answer to my question, I wish that I could speak for them, but I cannot attest to their sincerity or their commitment to their Lord they profess to love.

I have several theories due to my experience with my fellow believers. One time I asked some of them why did we always have to get together between services to have a 'good time'? Why couldn't we have a time of prayer together. As a new convert, I was surely shocked at some of their answers.


I agree you must be born again, but many people hinder the Holy Spirit in drawing souls to God. It IS about being nice or mean. The reason, imo that Christ was so effective to the people is because the people could feel his sincerity and love. It emanated from Him into the hearts of the people. He came to the Jews and yet gave to people who were not jews but believed and had faith.

His staunchest opponents were mostly the leadership of the jews, people in power over others. They abused that power and Christ called them on it.

So...when we witness to others, do we emanate the Holy Spirit. Can the people we witness to feel the sincerity? Or do they see someone who looks angry yelling telling people that they are lost because they believe the trinitarian doctrine? Do they see someone flippantly saying they are lost because they believe the trinitarian doctrine instead of giving them some real meat to chew on, pray on?

No, you cannot ever take away my salvation by anything you say or post, but many people are new in Christ and have not had time for that seed to take root and grow. Jesus said in His parable of the seed:

Luke 8:11-15 Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.
14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection.
15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

How many people newly profess their love for Christ and may have found that love in a trinitarian church system will read the comments here that they are lost? We don't know. Sheesh. Give them some time to grow so that Satan does not use your words to take away what they just found.

And how many people have lived for God for years in the trinitarian doctrine, felt God, had miracles in their lives, have their liberty in Christ only to read posts by some that they are lost?

Mark 9:38-40 ¶And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
40 For he that is not against us is on our part.


What makes you think that I don't? I don't have to tell them they are lost. We just have to ask God for a helping of His wisdom when discussing truth with them. Many of them are quite sincere in their walk. God has His way to lead the sincere into the truth, just like He did you and I. It will be up them to find that way.

All the television preacher kept saying was that now you believe, you need to be baptized. I asked God to be baptized, He led me to where He wanted me to be baptized. I never knew that there was any difference in Baptisms. I went where God led me.

I am confident that God will give you the right words to reach them if YOU are sincere in wanting to reach them. Being flippant will never reach anybody. Sincerity will. The Holy Ghost will work through that sincerity to reach people.

Most people use the world "fellowship" as in spending a time enjoying each other's company. This is the context in which people understand that word.

Some preachers use that word as in like minded group...such as "oneness pentecostal fellowship".

A good rule of thumb when using the word fellowship would be to be mindful of which group of people you are talking to. Your fellow preachers or the people preachers claim to lead...although I believe that Christ never intended for His church to be classified into two different categories such as clergy and laity.

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AYR
We are on the other side of that coin God lead us out from false teachings. The Assembly God Church we went to the very morning we left had a tongues and interpretation how the shackles and bonds had been broken and that He led us out.
We had never been to that church ever and prior to that morning I was a stuck in my suit Oneness Pentecostal. I have seen to much and have eaten the Word and have closer to walk with Jesus because I dropped my made made exceptions of whom He calls His child.

If Christ wanted us back in Oneness we would know it and would obey.:christmascaroling

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Why? I am new here and don't know. Is it Christology or some other reason?

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Well, I'm not surprised. When you said that "All 1st century Christains were baptized in Jesus Name and believed in Deut. 6:4", I assumed that you had some sort of source of 1st century writers which stated that the 1st century Christians were baptized with a man uttering a phrase over another person during baptism which is acceptable to you. You didn't have such a source. Why make the claim if you didn't have a source to support your claim?

If you're interested in early teachings on baptism, I suggest you read the Didache. According to it, the following was the baptismal teaching of the early church.....

Chap. VII.

1. Now concerning baptism, baptize thus: Having first taught all these things, baptize ye into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water.

2. And if thou hast not living water, baptize into other water; and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm (water).

3. But if thou hast neither, pour [water] thrice upon the head in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

4. But before Baptism let the baptizer and the baptized fast, and any others who can; but thou shalt command the baptized to fast for one or two days before.

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Navygoat, I no longer attend Oneness Pentecostal churches. God led me out of dictatorial, controlling pastors who felt that they could control my life from one morning to next morning. When they started in controlling my family, it was time to go. It was becoming a task to try to live up to what they said we should do every single day we were in their "fellowship".

That being said, I have attended different churches that professed 'trinitarian' beliefs. I found the same Holy Ghost moving in those churches as in the OP churches. That being said, I cannot just shake off my Oneness belief because of God leading me to my baptism in Jesus Name back in 1980. Nobody told me to be baptized in His name, but God is the one who led me to the church that baptizes in Jesus Name. It is my personal testimony that I cannot go back on. I believe it. I don't believe that I have to forsake my baptismal experience to worship Christ in any other church system, oneness or trinitarian.

You write: "If Christ wanted us back in Oneness we would know it and would obey".

I certainly believe that you would obey. It is your's and your wife's walk and be it far from me to make judgment upon your walk. In fact, one day when each of us take that final breath here on earth, I hope to find you in heaven and give you and your wife a holy kiss and for added measure a holy hug! :) I may never meet you in this lifetime, but hope to meet you in the next.

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Do you believe this as well?
Chapter 11:4 “But every apostle coming to you shall not remain more than one day, or another if necessary, but if three days, he is a false prophet.”
Where does scripture state this? It simply doesn't.

There are two points an intellectually honest person will make:
1) Additions need to be viewed with skepticism. Especially since we do not have the original writing but a copy centuries removed from the original. It’s possible for it to have been added to the text later.
2) When an author, any author, makes statements about a topic it is incumbent upon the reader to pay attention. Otherwise, the reader will jump to conclusions the author never intended. Seems like I read something about this somewhere… Oh I remember:
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Now let's turn to chapter nine.
Here is what this author had to say concerning the Eucharist.
9:1 But as touching the eucharistic thanksgiving give ye thanks thus.
9:2 First, as regards the cup:
9:3 We give Thee thanks, O our Father, for the holy vine of Thy son David, which Thou madest known unto us through Thy Son Jesus;
9:4 Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
9:5 Then as regards the broken bread:
9:6 We give Thee thanks, O our Father, for the life and knowledge which Thou didst make known unto us through Thy Son Jesus;
9:7 Thine is the glory for ever and ever.
9:8 As this broken bread was scattered upon the mountains and being gathered together became one, so may Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom;
9:9 for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever and ever.
9:10 But let no one eat or drink of this eucharistic thanksgiving, but they that have been baptized into the name of the Lord;
9:11 for concerning this also the Lord hath said:
9:12 {Give not that which is holy to the dogs.} http://www.earlychristianwritings.co...lightfoot.html

The Eucharist is a solemn occasion. There was and is great respect given to the occasion.

1Co 11:26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.
1Co 11:27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, will be guilty of the body of the Lord and of the blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and in this way let him eat from the bread and drink from the cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not judging correctly the body of the Lord.

This is a clear reference to how the instructions of chapter 7 were obeyed. The Eucharist is a solemn event with much reverence to be observed. The author forbade the observance of this occasion until the observers were baptized and to the author this meant “into the name of the Lord”. The observers are to be Christians and all Christians were baptized, historically.

By doing this it’s clear the author has tied being baptized “into the name of the Lord” with Mtt. 28. it appears that you only want to deal with this by ignoring it.

The Eucharist is a solemn occasion and must be taken with sincerity and reverence. In the “great specificity” given in the instructions the author clearly states that a person must be baptized “into the name of the Lord” – they must be a Christian. This should not be a surprise to anyone considering the Bible only knows of Jesus name baptism.

As to chapter 7 it is clear that the author added many thoughts of his own. With that said it is also understandable that someone would make the connection between Mtt. 28 and Acts 2. That is tying the two together and by being baptized in Jesus name the command of Mtt. 28 is fulfilled because this is exactly what happened in the Bible. Jesus commanded the disciples to baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Peter then, in obedience to the command of Christ, preached baptism in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins (Acts 2). Therefore, it’s easy to see how this would be propagated later as we see here. Obviously the author of the Didache tied the directions given in chapter 7 to being baptized in Jesus name by forbidding the Eucharist to anyone who was not baptized that way. Only by jumping to conclusions and ignoring the whole text can someone hope to obfuscate the facts.

As to the charge of first century documents I give you the book of Acts. If there was no other writing this would be sufficient. You have not brought any evidence to support the claim of anyone being a Christian actually baptizing in any other way. Quoting Matt. does not work. Adding to Matthew does not work. The Didache was most likely a mid second century document as Matthew would have had to be written then disseminated. This would have taken time.

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Thanks. it does not sound like it was a doctrinal difference? Perhaps a heavy handed shepherd? Please understand I am neither affirming nor condemning just trying to understand what I read. I don't know you nor the circumstances.

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By your suggestion, I was expecting something from an early 1st century other than the bible. Of course the bible was 1st century, that's what everyone here is using to support their various views and beliefs.

I know of no 1st century historical non-biblical document which reveals that a group of people baptized with a specific verbal ritual which would satisfy your requirement that an individual must have another individual intone proper words over the baptizee in order for the baptizee to be redeemed/saved. If you have one, I'd be interested in reading it.

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There is no first century document, not even the Didache. I would have to check my references for the second century but within the confines of the first century there is the Bible and it is clear. Christians were baptized in Jesus name. This was carried over by the heretics and they baptized in Jesus' name as well, many if not all of them. But, that is another century.

Thus the critic must prove the opposite is true.

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Sister AYR,
My old UPC pastor asked me a few years ago where we were going to church and I told him the Assemblies of God, he told me that UPC and AG are cousins related by marriage.

I have been in some services that if I did not know where I was I would have sworn I was in a UPC service.

I have been upfront and honest about my past and no one has questioned by Salvation or my Baptism.

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We came out like most do hurt and confused but we had started questioning what was being preached across the pulpit. It did not even start with our own Pastor it started with Brother Stoneking and his infatuation with angels and that opened us to thinking and that started us to studying and then that's when the bottom fell out.

God has been so faithful to us and we have seen His hand on us from the very morning we left.