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I removed the (supposed) writings of Peter. He was a legalist. I am not, and neither was Paul. I only have use for the Gospels and the epistles written by Paul. Revelation is out, too. Don't need it. I'm a preterist.

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Don't forget James!

Edit: oh, I guess all you have is the Gospels and Paul's letters, so, you're fine. Except, well, some of the things Jesus said.... I dunno.

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You're right. And John.

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I think you're joking..

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The ones who formed the canon chose books that agreed with their own understanding of theology. I should say "canons", plural, since there are several different ones in use today. Some sects of Christianity use pretty much the same New Testament that Houston describes, if I recall correctly. They don't even have the OT in their Bible.

But really, every Christian does this. Chooses a set of books they agree with, and call it their Bible. It's just that most nowadays decide on a Bible in a more subtle way: they choose the one that the founders of their sect have already chosen. They chose a Bible by choosing a sect.

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Old hat.

Jeremiah 36:23

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Good to see you, Coady. How are you doing?

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I have absolutely no need for the Old Testament!

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When I responded to the gospel at the young age of 14, I began to read the family bible. I got the warm fuzzies, even when I read the Apocryphal books. I had no idea that there was a Catholic Bible, a KJV, etc.

In some remote parts of the world (think villages, tribal people, etc) you will find people ripping pages out of a Bible. Everyone wants a written copy of the "word" of God, yet there are not enough bibles to pass out.


That is common. I think it is more common to pick certain books within canon and ignore the rest.

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Peter was not a legalist but Paul taught Holy Magic Hair :santaclaus

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Right. Peter wasn't a legalist. It was holiness, brother. Paul and that magic hair. I'm going to cross through the HAIR chapter with a sharpie. :jolly

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Oh, definitely. But usually without admitting to doing that. :lol

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Don't cross through 1 Corinthians 11. Paul was not teaching HMH in that chapter. He was just admonishing the people in the Church there to not use their liberty in Christ if it "offended" local social mores.

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Honesty has always been a character flaw of mine.

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:santathumb

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Why tare out pages?

Save time.

Go party.

Just go ahead and burn the whole Book and be done with it....

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My donkey is laughing. Nice.

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You're welcome.

Always want to be of service to the less forunate..........


:D

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Let brotherly love continue!

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Merry Christmas! :bells

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Amen!

I'm just yanking Mr. Howsten's (SoHo) chain.............


:D

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I was once on a forum where a catholic minister denounced most of Peters and Pauls writings.

He denounced half of the writings of the gospels....calling them gnosticism.

He went on to discuss the ancient hebrews had many god and that they called their god's "el"

By the time he was finished, he ended up saying that most of the old testament was fairy tale and that the events probably never happened.

And I am thinking...you are a minister of the gospel? :blink

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That's not what I'd been thinking,

woulda been more along the lines of then what in the world am I doing here in this stuffy church for?

Let's go a clubbin!:horn

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That's just the way dem Catlicks are....

First they start with with water baptism and mess that up, then on to the Godhead and they mess that up.

ANYTHING and EVERYTHING dem Catlicks ever touch they polute....

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Can you image if dem catlicks went to Utah :christmoose

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Dem oneness pentecostals sho do like dem catlick way of doin' tings doe. Dey ain't quite up to catlick par wit dem buildins' day call 'churches' and dem preachers who teach dem peoples that dier salvation hinges on dem preachers performance durin' de dunkin'. Dey try to be like dem catlick priests, sho nuff!!

:christmasjig

:santathumb

:horn

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Been in the church all my life and have NEVER heard of this............

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Years ago, Roman Catholics used to teach that if a person wasn't baptized Roman Catholic, he was not baptized properly and therefore was not born again or born of water. A modern counterpart is another group, not RCC but UPC that teaches if someone is not baptized according to UPC teaching, the person is not born again or born of water.

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So, the UPCI's teaching on water baptism is wrong?

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There is no one/single UPCI teaching on water baptism. There are several different teachings within the UPC on water baptism. These various teachings go the gamut from the idea that water baptism is what Jesus referred to as "born of water" in John 3:5 (the Roman Catholic teaching) to the teaching that water baptism is a symbolic public burial of the old person you used to be and a testimony that you believe int the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Then there are those who look at baptism as a symbolic washing and others who believe that sins are not remitted/forgiven/washed away until a person has been baptized with the "proper" words by a being spoken by a minister. Then there are several different "formulas" used in water baptism in the UPC. Some which teach that the 3 words "Lord" plus "Jesus" plus "Christ" equal one name and others which use the name "Jesus" with or without various titles such as "Lord" or "Christ" or "Father" or "Son" or "Holy Ghost." Therefore I cannot say that "the UPCI's teaching on water baptism is wrong" or right since there are differences in teaching within the organization.

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All I can say say is...hog wash!

I don't know where you have been and who you have been in contact with, but we evidently haven't ran in the same circles.

I have travelled extensively within the UPCI for over 25 years and never one time have I ever heard one UPCI preacher say anything other than John 3:5 (the New Birth) is accquired by obeying Acts 2:38.

Not one......

BTW

This is the official UPCI statement on water baptism, is this wrong?


The saving gospel is the good news that Jesus died for our sins, was buried, and rose again. We obey the gospel (II Thessalonians 1:8; I Peter 4:17) by repentance (death to sin), water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (burial), and receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit (resurrection). (See I Corinthians 15:1-4; Acts 2:4, 37-39; Romans 6:3-4.)


http://www.upci.org/about-us/beliefs

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The opinion that "born of water" means water baptism is a later development among Apostolic/Pentecostals. Early Apostolic/Pentecostals believed they were saved prior to and separate from the 2 baptisms (water and Spirit). The 3 step salvation theory has been pushed and promoted by a vocal and militant minority of Apostolic Pentecostals until now they've filled the UPC with that theory and are trying to get people to believe that it has always been the teaching of the UPC. When the UPC was formed in 1945 some believed in a three-step plan of salvation and some believed in a one-step plan of salvation. The first issue of the Pentecostal Herald said that articles from both viewpoints would be accepted.

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That is the "official" party line promoted by those who have obtained control of the political leadership of the UPC after blatantly refusing to live by the spirit of the merger and the 1945 fundamental doctrine statement. They have trivialized, marginalized, demonized, and ostracized the one-steppers until what began in 1945 as a gentlemen's agreement became a hostile takeover by mean-spirited and small-minded men who have either driven the one-steppers out or underground.

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That's strictly YOUR opinion, an OPINION that is faulty at best.

What actually happened was the PAJC swallowed PCI FALSE doctrine at the "Merger".

The PAJC Brethren then refused to allow the PCI FALSE teachings to become the organizational doctrinal format and the PCI one steppers' message of saved at repentance was flatly rejected by the next generation of truth loving men in the UPCI.....

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Bishop Haywood died in 29 and he taught the new birth was Acts 2:38 and it was in the articles of faith in the PAW early on.

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Same old same old that's been posted over and over and over and over and over.

But...what about the blood of Jesus?

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Come on, don't be skeered.

You tell us.

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Let the mass pentecostal choir lift their voices.....a one and a two....

Nothing About The Blood of Jesus.

Sing it, sing it loud and proud!!

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Typical for a trinitarian..........


:D

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You sure know how to hurt a guy.