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Aquila 12-31-2012 12:11 PM

VERY Disturbing....
 
PRY: North Korea EMP attack could destroy U.S. — now

Obama must take immediate action

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...estroy-us-now/

AreYouReady? 12-31-2012 12:21 PM

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Fear mongering is all the source is doing.

It might be allowed to happen, but they know about the Tesla Dome or Tesla Shield.

BrotherEastman 12-31-2012 12:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1211032)
PRY: North Korea EMP attack could destroy U.S. — now

Obama must take immediate action

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...estroy-us-now/

He wont

CC1 12-31-2012 01:48 PM

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The concept of EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) weapons has always intrigued me. It certainly is a way to cause the collapse of a modern country / society.

I have read several fictional accounts of such a thing (one is "One Second After")and have become a mild prepper at the beginning of a long process to try and be ready for any of the things that only a few years ago seemed unthinkable.

HRea 12-31-2012 01:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1211032)
PRY: North Korea EMP attack could destroy U.S. — now

Several years ago when pagers were common, a solar flare took out the main relay satellite for my region, wrecking havoc for quite a while. I could only imagine what chaos and devastation a well place EMP strike would cause. We rely heavily on technology and communications.

AreYouReady? 12-31-2012 02:46 PM

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Most people rely so heavily on technology that they cannot go back to the basics of life.

When my son was in high school, he came home laughing because a girl in his class did not even know that the egg comes from a chicken. :rolleyes2

AreYouReady? 12-31-2012 02:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HRea (Post 1211049)
Several years ago when pagers were common, a solar flare took out the main relay satellite for my region, wrecking havoc for quite a while. I could only imagine what chaos and devastation a well place EMP strike would cause. We rely heavily on technology and communications.

I was working in the hospital back when that happened. It surely was chaotic. Nobody ever thought of the possibility of non working communications. We had to come up with an alternative plan really quick to get to the stat orders as quickly as possible.

Praxeas 12-31-2012 03:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1211032)
PRY: North Korea EMP attack could destroy U.S. — now

Obama must take immediate action

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...estroy-us-now/

EMPs are possible but it's not been used before as far as I know but....Aquila did you read that piece?

Whoever wrote it never cites expert opinions. This has the making of an opinion piece.

Also did you know it's owned and operated by the Unification Church of the Rev Sun Young Moon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Times

Lastly, any ICBM launched from North Korea and heading towards the US will be blown out of the sky before it reaches it's apex by our Aegis Missile Defense

Praxeas 12-31-2012 03:04 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/user/aegisbmd

Click on the link. For some reason it's not showing up

Praxeas 12-31-2012 03:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HRea (Post 1211049)
Several years ago when pagers were common, a solar flare took out the main relay satellite for my region, wrecking havoc for quite a while. I could only imagine what chaos and devastation a well place EMP strike would cause. We rely heavily on technology and communications.

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1211064)
I was working in the hospital back when that happened. It surely was chaotic. Nobody ever thought of the possibility of non working communications. We had to come up with an alternative plan really quick to get to the stat orders as quickly as possible.

Did it destroy the pagers or just temporarily knock them out?

Aquila 12-31-2012 03:08 PM

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I find the thought very disturbing.

Praxeas 12-31-2012 03:09 PM

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I find the idea that anyone takes the Media arm of the Unification's Anti North Korea publication seriously

HRea 12-31-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1211069)
Did it destroy the pagers or just temporarily knock them out?

It completely fried the electronics aboard the relay satellite. It took a couple of weeks for the service companies to secure services using other satellites and reroute the pager signals through them.

The satellite, however, could not be fixed or salvaged.

Michael The Disciple 12-31-2012 03:39 PM

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Yes that is disturbing. Im just as disturbed about the huge damage China, Russia, Pakistan, Iran and others could possibly do to America. Really all it would take in an all out war is one hour and millions could die. Our high tech society could be brought to nothing in this scenario. What is really shocking is that most Christians dont even realize these things WILL come to pass.

HRea 12-31-2012 03:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1211066)
EMPs are possible but it's not been used before as far as I know but....

Lastly, any ICBM launched from North Korea and heading towards the US will be blown out of the sky before it reaches it's apex by our Aegis Missile Defense

EMP's can be produced by briefcase sized nuclear devices. While everyone is looking up, it might be a good idea to occasionally look down and side-to-side. The device needs to be exploded at a low level height within a couple thousand feet.

The devastation is caused by ruining the electronics. They don't just go off-line and need to be rebooted. The EMP fries them.

HRea 12-31-2012 03:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1211064)
I was working in the hospital back when that happened. It surely was chaotic. Nobody ever thought of the possibility of non working communications. We had to come up with an alternative plan really quick to get to the stat orders as quickly as possible.

And that was with pagers. Now, we rely heavily on all kinds of mobile devices, texting, IM, wireless everything. If that happens today...WOW...just...WOW!!!

And there goes worship service with our video projectors and songs up on the wall...back to hymnals and traditional songs.

Praxeas 12-31-2012 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HRea (Post 1211079)
EMP's can be produced by briefcase sized nuclear devices. While everyone is looking up, it might be a good idea to occasionally look down and side-to-side. The device needs to be exploded at a low level height within a couple thousand feet.

The devastation is caused by ruining the electronics. They don't just go off-line and need to be rebooted. The EMP fries them.

No. a Briefcase Nuke would not produce an EMP. It would just kill lots of people in a small area.

EMP attacks are produced by high altitude detonations particularly if they are going to affect the entire nation.

EMP (Electromagnetic Pulse) Bombs An electromagnetic pulse EMP is a byproduct of detonating an atomic bomb above the Earth’s atmosphere. When a nuclear weapon is detonated in space, the gamma rays emitted trigger a massive electrical disturbance in the upper atmosphere. Moving at the speed of light, this overload will short out all electrical equipment, power grids and delicate electronics on the Earth’s surface. In fact, it would take only one to three weapons exploding above the continental United States to wipe out our entire grid and transportation network. It might take years to recover from, if ever.

http://www.nukepills.com/nuclear-dirty-bombs.htm

RandyWayne 12-31-2012 09:37 PM

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EMP's, even from a large nuclear explosion, would not fry small hand held electronics that did not happen to be plugged into an outlet at the time. It requires a fairly large surface area of wires to absorb the necessary energy to cook the small components in a smart phone, tablet, or laptop. If the EMP energy WAS strong enough to fry everything then it is most likely that the bomb itself was close enough for the explosion itself to do all the damage required.

Praxeas 12-31-2012 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1211121)
EMP's, even from a large nuclear explosion, would not fry small hand held electronics that did not happen to be plugged into an outlet at the time. It requires a fairly large surface area of wires to absorb the necessary energy to cook the small components in a smart phone, tablet, or laptop. If the EMP energy WAS strong enough to fry everything then it is most likely that the bomb itself was close enough for the explosion itself to do all the damage required.

And if it was close enough it would not affect the entire US...

But seriously..why is Aquila worried over what appears to be an OpEd piece by the media propaganda wing of the Unification church???

OnTheFritz 12-31-2012 10:31 PM

Not a reputable news outlet anywhere in sight covering it. All prophecy sites. Gotta pay the bills I guess.

Michael The Disciple 01-01-2013 05:50 AM

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The Washington Times has been on the cutting edge of reporting relevant news for a long time. Better than most newspapers.

HRea 01-01-2013 11:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1211082)
No. a Briefcase Nuke would not produce an EMP. It would just kill lots of people in a small area.

Yes, a briefcase sized device is quite capable of wrecking havoc. I misspoke about the "Briefcase Nuke", I was mashing up the technologies. The link at the bottom of this reply takes you to a defense article that describes various sized devices - one of which is a briefcase sized TED - transient EMP device.

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1211121)
EMP's, even from a large nuclear explosion, would not fry small hand held electronics that did not happen to be plugged into an outlet at the time. It requires a fairly large surface area of wires to absorb the necessary energy to cook the small components in a smart phone, tablet, or laptop. If the EMP energy WAS strong enough to fry everything then it is most likely that the bomb itself was close enough for the explosion itself to do all the damage required.

Devices don't have to be plugged in to an outlet to be effected by EMPs, especially microwave based EMPs. An EMP targets the semiconductor components which is the base technology for zillions of electronic devices.

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1211133)
Not a reputable news outlet anywhere in sight covering it.

Here's a very reputable source, and it describes a new type of terrorist activity concerning this very subject: Defense Media - Improvised EMP Devices

Praxeas 01-01-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1211143)
The Washington Times has been on the cutting edge of reporting relevant news for a long time. Better than most newspapers.

The WT is owned and operated by MOONIES.

If you read the article it contains nothing but the authors words, no authoritative quotes

Praxeas 01-01-2013 02:57 PM

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Fritz meant the issue of North Korea having a Nuke and using it as an EMP.

The fact is a small suit case device is not going to knock out the entire US. It needs to be in the upper atmosphere.

Even a nuclear bomb needs to be detonated several feet above ground in order for it to be maximized destruction.

Imaging igniting a daisy cutter on the ground. It does nothing. When it is ignited in the air it produces a nuke like effect for a shorter range without radiation.

A small device exploded near the ground will do a lot of damage but will be minimized if not high up in the air.

The same device will have minimal EMP effects if its not higher up in the atmosphere. The range of coverage will be small.

That is why the article was about North Korea launching a ICBM with a nuclear war head to the US and why I pointed out our Aegis will take it out before getting over the US

BrotherEastman 01-02-2013 09:12 AM

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Is Aegis effective 100%?


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