Insurace & Taxes - Obama Style
 

I just saw this on facebook...

Ol' Obummer sure is a smart cookie. He set Obama care up so everybody just went on and on about how wonderful it was but he didn't make the cost measures that would affect his voting base come in effect until after the re-election.

The interesting part is that many of those who voted for Obama tend to be those without insurance and often those with nice & big tax refund checks.

How are they going to like it when their tax refund is taken away to provide insurance?

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Uh oh, do we get a do over?

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In 4 years. :)

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I wonder what the friend does if she needs to take her kids to the hospital? Does she pay out of pocket for it? If so, then she shouldnt be penalized. I think the people who use the emergency room for their healthcare and then skip out on the bill, thus making people who have insurance pay for them, are the ones who deserve to be fined. If you can afford health insurance but dont pay for it I do not feel sorry for you if you get fined. I really dont.

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Most insured people do pay out of pocket. But, to use the ER as a doctors office is wrong. Our co-pay is the same, but the amount withheld for coverage went up. Union contract, even though my husband is retired, I am still covered.

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But... even if that is the case. She will.

It is a weak position when we make policy based on how we "feel" about who should or should not be fined. That is daytime talk show politics. Politics based purely on who we feel "deserves" a fine etc.

It doesn't matter though. There will be many who cannot afford health insurance and yet they will be fined for not having what they cannot afford. This is what happens when we cater to daytime talk show politicians and their daytime talk show followers.

The reality of this feel good pipe dream we all call ObamaCare is starting to rear its ugly head.

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What should the policy be? The reason for the individual mandate was to make sure people didnt skip out on paying for their hospital visits and to make people take responsibility for paying for their bills. I thought if you cant afford it and show proof you could get on medicare/medicaid?

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Also I question the truth behind that post. Individual mandate doesn't take affect until 2014

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The policy should be that the federal government should not be involved in the American citizens purchase of healthcare. It is beyond the scope of powers granted by the constitution... if that matters to anyone anymore.

Most people these days don't even begin to think about whether any government entity has the authority to do this or that. They just hear somebody say something... then they think... that's a great idea... and then they are all for it.

As I said before... daytime talk show politics. It has no basis in reality. It is simply based on emotion and feelings.

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That is the year mentioned in the quote. Don't worry. You'll find out for sure... in a few years.

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My bad reading fail.

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Its not based on emotion and feelings. Why are you repeating that? Like I said, the individual mandate is based on getting people to take responsibility and to get them to pay for the insurance and hospital visits. Again, if you can show proof that you cant afford it, you will be exempt. It your employer plan costs more than 8% of your income you are exempt. Now weather the government has a right to do this is another discussion. I dont think they do. Should they is another topic.

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If they don't have the right then there should be no more discussion.

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If we all just scrapped medical care and died naturally, I wonder what our culture would look like. Seriously. Food for thought.

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Medical care did not use to cost an arm and a leg.

I was working in a hospital when the Government first got involved with DRG mandates back in the early 80s. That alone started raising the cost because they had to hire nurses to implement and run the program. It took off after that and bloated itself to recoup government mandates on hospitals.

Before I left the hospitals, I began to notice the government paid less and less for medical care on qualified patients. The hospitals had to recoup this from those who had insurance. They also had to recoup monies from those who did not pay bloated prices...which if you did not have insurance, your bill was often twice as high.

Now every clinic, physician's office, hospital, any healthcare facility takes your picture along with all other stats such as drivers license etc. when you first visit their office. A profile maybe?

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Litigation crazy people have also contributed. Another very real factor is governmental control of health care and the fact that the health care industry is owned by the pharmaceutical industry.

There is no interest in healing us. Healing us would mean short term use of a medicine and then freedom from said medicine. What they are looking for is long term regular sales.

No one can practice medicine without proper license and even licensed doctors had better not deviate from the pharmaceutical answer to healing.

True healing comes from what we eat and drink. Not from a pharmaceutical band aid applied on top of that. I have no problem with licensed doctors but those without the medical school license should be allowed to practice. Make them state that they aren't licensed so that we will be making an educated decision but I should have the freedom to consult an unlicensed doctor if I want to.

Licensed medical doctors will eventually walk everyone down the same road. They will prescribe drugs which treat an issue but have other side effects and they will prescribe more drugs for those side effects until finally our elderly are weighed down with heavy monthly drug costs and finally die from the inundation of pharmaceutical substances.

Another issue is the lack of market pricing. If we had to pay out of our pockets for our medical care we would shop around for prices. But since the insurance pays for these things then no one shops around and so no one cares about price. A lot of places cannot even tell you what the price is for a particular procedure without research because this information is totally handled on the insurance side.

Industries that are not generally covered by insurance are still relatively cheap. Once an industry becomes one covered by insurance the price skyrockets because no one cares about the price anymore.

Also... on the ads you hear... "And I got my chair at no cost to me". Yeah... hey buddy...look over here... at me. It IS at a cost to me. Nothing is free. It all costs somebody somewhere down the line.

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It would affect us for a while and after people began to realize that the way we eat kills us or heals us our habits would change and so would many other things.

And... we'll find out soon when the whole US economy collapses and no one can afford health care at all.

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Great post!

I read recently that 67% of Americans are on a long-term prescription medication. I wonder if that's true.

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The pharmaceutical industry hopes that it is.

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Yep Dig, you hit the nail on the head!

Drugs like antidepressants ... doctors will tell their patient that they will need to take them for the rest of their life. Then when the medication itself causes physical problems, the doctors will say...hmmm...let me add one or two more to level you out.

Then when certain antidepressants cause diabetes, (and they do) they will add oral diabetic medication. Then the next time you go there, they will do lipid tests and tell you that because you are now a diabetic, they need to get your LDL down to 70 and your HDL over 40. They will tell you then that you need to take one (1) multivitamin and give you 'nutrition' lessons.

There's more, but I will stop here.

I am afraid that Obamacare will make us much sicker than healing when all the healthcare mandates become known. I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I see a trend to force people into taking vaccines and other medications that people neither want, nor need.