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Cindy 01-27-2013 09:34 AM

Love Everybody
 
It seems that some Apostolics only love everybody that is just like them. The attitude of, we are right and everybody else is wrong.

And pick up stones and try to hit those that don't believe just like them. :(

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 09:40 AM

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Are you referring to everyone on this forum or just the UPC?

ILG 01-27-2013 09:42 AM

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I disagree and I hate you because of it. :D j/k Cindy!!

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1217669)
I disagree and I hate you because of it. :D j/k Cindy!!

:toofunny :toofunny

Godzchild 01-27-2013 09:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217663)
It seems that some Apostolics only love everybody that is just like them. The attitude of, we are right and everybody else is wrong.

And pick up stones and try to hit those that don't believe just like them. :(

:thumbsup

Sad but true about many Apostolics
John 13:34
"A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another."
I make it a point...at least try, and treat everyone with respect NO MATTER their beliefs or doctrine. God loves everyone the same!

Cindy 01-27-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217668)
Are you referring to everyone on this forum or just the UPC?

Not necessarily, some just seem to find AFF. :D I find the same attitudes in other areas and denominations. While trying to defend something that doesn't need defending, (truth) some attack people. It just hurts my heart. How are we going to love sinners, if we don't love our brothers and sisters? :(

Cindy 01-27-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1217669)
I disagree and I hate you because of it. :D j/k Cindy!!

:heeheehee

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217681)
Not necessarily, some just seem to find AFF. :D I find the same attitudes in other areas and denominations. While trying to defend something that doesn't need defending, (truth) some attack people. It just hurts my heart. How are we going to love sinners, if we don't love our brothers and sisters? :(

So, by the bold, you are meaning the UPC posters that find their way here?

Cindy 01-27-2013 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217685)
So, by the bold, you are meaning the UPC posters that find their way here?

No, I don't know if they are UPC or not.

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217688)
No, I don't know if they are UPC or not.

Oh, okay. Thanks. Just wanted to be clear.

Ron 01-27-2013 10:17 AM

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Cindy, I love a wide swath of people & count a lot of people of different denominations my friends.
Having said that, I have also found that my walk with God is a personal walk with God & that I have to walk with him no matter what anyone else does or does not do in regards to serving God.
I have found though that the pendulum swings both ways in condeming people, libs to cons & vice versa!
Your point about loving people is valid & I think people can disagree doctrinally while loving people as Christ loved.
Just my 2 cents worth.

BTW, The penny is being fased out this year in Canada.

Cindy 01-27-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1217691)
Cindy, I love a wide swath of people & count a lot of people of different denominations my friends.
Having said that, I have also found that my walk with God is a personal walk with God & that I have to walk with him no matter what anyone else does or does not do in regards to serving God.
I have found though that the pendulum swings both ways in condeming people, libs to cons & vice versa!
Your point about loving people is valid & I think people can disagree doctrinally while loving people as Christ loved.
Just my 2 cents worth.

BTW, The penny is being fased out this year in Canada.

I agree, and I wasn't just talking about cons vs libs. It seems to be in both categories. As a matter of fact I find it prevalent in society as a whole. And that is what makes me sad, we have become like the world in our hearts. So much negativity and separation among us.

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217692)
I agree, and I wasn't just talking about cons vs libs. It seems to be in both categories. As a matter of fact I find it prevalent in society as a whole. And that is what makes me sad, we have become like the world in our hearts. So much negativity and separation among us.

I agree with Ron's comments, but also wasn't sure if you were speaking about cons v. libs. It is prevalent in society as a whole. I view that in light of Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1217691)

BTW, The penny is being phased out this year in Canada.

Why is this being done?

Cindy 01-27-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217695)
Why is this being done?

It is not worth 1 cent anymore. :2cents

Cindy 01-27-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217694)
I agree with Ron's comments, but also wasn't sure if you were speaking about cons v. libs. It is prevalent in society as a whole. I view that in light of Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

:nod

Ron 01-27-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217695)
Why is this being done?

The Government says that they are losing money on the penny. It costs 1.4 cents to make a one cent coin.
When the penny goes, everything cash will be rounded up or down to the nearest 5 cents. Everything that is electronic based like interac will stay the same eg. 11.93 will stay the same.
We are being prepared slowly for the mark of the beast!:foottap

Ron 01-27-2013 10:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217692)
I agree, and I wasn't just talking about cons vs libs. It seems to be in both categories. As a matter of fact I find it prevalent in society as a whole. And that is what makes me sad, we have become like the world in our hearts. So much negativity and separation among us.

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217694)
I agree with Ron's comments, but also wasn't sure if you were speaking about cons v. libs. It is prevalent in society as a whole. I view that in light of Matthew 24:12 "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

Yup!:thumbsup

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1217699)
The Government says that they are losing money on the penny. It costs 1.4 cents to make a one cent coin.
When the penny goes, everything cash will be rounded up or down to the nearest 5 cents. Everything that is electronic based like interac will stay the same eg. 11.93 will stay the same.
We are being prepared slowly for the mark of the beast!:foottap

Interesting. I'm not sure what I think about the "mark" of the Beast. Is it an actual mark or a governmental entity?

Ron 01-27-2013 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1217703)
Interesting. I'm not sure what I think about the "mark" of the Beast. Is it an actual mark or a governmental entity?

I think it is all about "CONTROL!" That is what I admire about the Americans & the rugged individuality, but sadly that is becoming an historical footnote.
Take for example Sandy Hook & the shooting that happened there, it was terrible & shouldn't have happened but to make it a cause celebre for gun control is a bit week.
On that day 76-80 Million American kids went to school safe-that is a 99.9999999% safety record.
The powers that be want to disarm Americans because a disarmed populace is easier to control.

Not that I am advocating everybody buy a gun, I am just looking at the factors behind gun control & what the real aim of the Government is in your life.

JMO

Pressing-On 01-27-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1217706)
I think it is all about "CONTROL!" That is what I admire about the Americans & the rugged individuality, but sadly that is becoming an historical footnote.
Take for example Sandy Hook & the shooting that happened there, it was terrible & shouldn't have happened but to make it a cause celebre for gun control is a bit week.
On that day 76-80 Million American kids went to school safe-that is a 99.9999999% safety record.
The powers that be want to disarm Americans because a disarmed populace is easier to control.

Not that I am advocating everybody buy a gun, I am just looking at the factors behind gun control & what the real aim of the Government is in your life.

JMO

I agree! We have some strong people standing up in Texas. We also have a number of Sheriffs who are not going to cooperate and growing. http://liberty.com/content/number-sh...laws-snowballs

Well, I have to hit the road in about an hour again. Have a nice week, Ron. Glad to you see posting again.:thumbsup

Godzchild 01-27-2013 10:54 AM

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Does love everybody include "friends" who used your pc to post retarded stuff, knowing her posts came from the same IP address....knowing what they posted was LIES??????? :girlytantrum I am hurt and cant beleive they would do this, but life goes on...dont hate but saddly the friendship has ended. I do not believe ending a friendship founded and based on lies would be less than pleasing to God....along with USING me and my pc to fabricate more lies! I know God did not stutter when he said love thy neighbor as yourself, but it is really hard to not have hard feelings about this! Sorry again Miss C......when God was passing out brains, "D" thought He said rain and so there "they" stood with an umberella :runhills...still angry and hurt but has forgiven! BTW....my pc is NOW PASSWORD protected....the only ones with it are the only ones who need it...My husband and me! In the famous quotes from my late Pastor D.L. Welch .... " Along with Association comes Simulation"!

Ron 01-27-2013 10:56 AM

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[QUOTE=Pressing-On;1217707]I agree! We have some strong people standing up in Texas. We also have a number of Sheriffs who are not going to cooperate and growing. http://liberty.com/content/number-sh...laws-snowballs

Well, I have to hit the road in about an hour again. Have a nice week, Ron. Glad to you see posting again.:thumbsup[/QUOTE]

Good to see you posting (although you never stopped) as well. Have an awesome week. It is my turn to cook breakfast today, Bacon & Eggs, Sausages, & Hash Browns!:thumbsup

Ron 01-27-2013 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1217708)
Does love everybody include "friends" who used your pc to post retarded stuff, knowing her posts came from the same IP address....knowing what they posted was LIES??????? :girlytantrum I am hurt and cant beleive they would do this, but life goes on...dont hate but saddly the friendship has ended. I do not believe ending a friendship founded and based on lies would be less than pleasing to God....along with USING me and my pc to fabricate more lies! I know God did not stutter when he said love thy neighbor as yourself, but it is really hard to not have hard feelings about this! Sorry again Miss C......when God was passing out brains, "D" thought He said rain and so there "they" stood with an umberella runhills...still angry and hurt but has forgiven! BTW....my pc is NOW PASSWORD protected....the only ones with it are the only ones who need it...My husband and me!

Remember, even Jesus when he picked the 12 had Judas full of the devil--and he was perfect!:thumbsup

Godzchild 01-27-2013 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1217710)
Remember, even Jesus when he picked the 12 had Judas full of the devil--and he was perfect!:thumbsup

:nod

Cindy 01-27-2013 11:07 AM

Re: Love Everybody
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1217708)
Does love everybody include "friends" who used your pc to post retarded stuff, knowing her posts came from the same IP address....knowing what they posted was LIES??????? :girlytantrum I am hurt and cant beleive they would do this, but life goes on...dont hate but saddly the friendship has ended. I do not believe ending a friendship founded and based on lies would be less than pleasing to God....along with USING me and my pc to fabricate more lies! I know God did not stutter when he said love thy neighbor as yourself, but it is really hard to not have hard feelings about this! Sorry again Miss C......when God was passing out brains, "D" thought He said rain and so there "they" stood with an umberella :runhills...still angry and hurt but has forgiven! BTW....my pc is NOW PASSWORD protected....the only ones with it are the only ones who need it...My husband and me! In the famous quotes from my late Pastor D.L. Welch .... " Along with Association comes Simulation"!

I am sorry to hear that. :(

not4saken 01-27-2013 12:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1217708)
Does love everybody include "friends" who used your pc to post retarded stuff, knowing her posts came from the same IP address....knowing what they posted was LIES??????? :girlytantrum I am hurt and cant beleive they would do this, but life goes on...dont hate but saddly the friendship has ended. I do not believe ending a friendship founded and based on lies would be less than pleasing to God....along with USING me and my pc to fabricate more lies! I know God did not stutter when he said love thy neighbor as yourself, but it is really hard to not have hard feelings about this! Sorry again Miss C......when God was passing out brains, "D" thought He said rain and so there "they" stood with an umberella :runhills...still angry and hurt but has forgiven! BTW....my pc is NOW PASSWORD protected....the only ones with it are the only ones who need it...My husband and me! In the famous quotes from my late Pastor D.L. Welch .... " Along with Association comes Simulation"!

Seriously? You really burnt the bridge of friendship over some forum posts?? REALLY?? My friends are not that disposable. Surely, you could have talked this problem through? None of my business for sure, but I learned a looong time ago not to burn bridges- I may need to cross them again in my future.

Just sayin...

Godzchild 01-27-2013 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by not4saken (Post 1217726)
Seriously? You really burnt the bridge of friendship over some forum posts?? REALLY?? My friends are not that disposable. Surely, you could have talked this problem through? None of my business for sure, but I learned a looong time ago not to burn bridges- I may need to cross them again in my future.

Just sayin...

yes I did, bc she used my pc to post lies, she made people assume it was ME....??? she posted things that was lies about her and about her lifestyle, about her being TB family...??? .... bad company is no good, not for me anywayz. Once I cross a bridge like that, no need to look back or even contemplate of crossing it again. With "friends" like that, I dont need any enemies :girlytantrum God will always bring someone else in my life that would be a better and real friend. I dont need a friendship based on lies. I am not trying to be rude by my comment so please dont think that. I totaly understand where you are coming from , but no-one knows more than I the BIG lies she has posted and told BOLDLY to peoples face.....and I can not associate with people like that. One of her lies almost got me in trouble on here....when I was trusting her to be on my pc , "taking care of some school work" .... once bitten twice shy! I make it a rule to never go backwards in my life, or with friends.

not4saken 01-27-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Godzchild (Post 1217731)
yes I did, bc she used my pc to post lies, she made people assume it was ME....??? she posted things that was lies about her and about her lifestyle, about her being TB family...??? .... bad company is no good, not for me anywayz. Once I cross a bridge like that, no need to look back or even contemplate of crossing it again. With "friends" like that, I dont need any enemies :girlytantrum God will always bring someone else in my life that would be a better and real friend. I dont need a friendship based on lies. I am not trying to be rude by my comment so please dont think that. I totaly understand where you are coming from , but no-one knows more than I the BIG lies she has posted and told BOLDLY to peoples face.....and I can not associate with people like that. One of her lies almost got me in trouble on here....when I was trusting her to be on my pc , "taking care of some school work" .... once bitten twice shy! I make it a rule to never go backwards in my life, or with friends.

I see.. *smile*

LifeUncommon 01-27-2013 02:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217663)
It seems that some Apostolics only love everybody that is just like them. The attitude of, we are right and everybody else is wrong.

And pick up stones and try to hit those that don't believe just like them. :(

I agree. That is one of the reasons I no longer attend a UPC church. I couldn't abide a body who patted themselves on the back for such treatment of people Jesus told us to love as much as we love ourselves.

bbyrd009 01-27-2013 04:12 PM

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Ha we 'naturally' seek affirmation in crowds, when in truth no one believes just like you do, or at least shouldn't, imo. This is 'clone,' or 'death,' as far as God is concerned.

While it is difficult, as I'm usually feeling the same lack of affirmation as the other, I now go out of my way, when meeting new people/groups, to be alert for those who's spirit might not immediately be in affirmation with mine, for some reason--we all experience it; meeting four new people, say, there is often that 'one' who you just seem to not click with, right away? Ya, that guy. I've even gone as far as highlighting my lack of affirmation to the other, to some interesting...results.

Don't miss out on a huge reservoir of...well, not sure how to describe it, but avenues open up with a little attention here, or close down. Reveal when you may be feeling judgemental, even, and why. "I've been brainwashed into believing a woman with bobbed hair was going to hell" goes a long way-even if you still believe that!

Ron 01-27-2013 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1217820)
Ha we 'naturally' seek affirmation in crowds, when in truth no one believes just like you do, or at least shouldn't, imo. This is 'clone,' or 'death,' as far as God is concerned.

While it is difficult, as I'm usually feeling the same lack of affirmation as the other, I now go out of my way, when meeting new people/groups, to be alert for those who's spirit might not immediately be in affirmation with mine, for some reason--we all experience it; meeting four new people, say, there is often that 'one' who you just seem to not click with, right away? Ya, that guy. I've even gone as far as highlighting my lack of affirmation to the other, to some interesting...results.

Don't miss out on a huge reservoir of...well, not sure how to describe it, but avenues open up with a little attention here, or close down. Reveal when you may be feeling judgemental, even, and why. "I've been brainwashed into believing a woman with bobbed hair was going to hell" goes a long way-even if you still believe that!

Do we have any translators on staff?:hypercoffee

AreYouReady? 01-27-2013 07:57 PM

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Perhaps what Bbyrd is trying to say....and he can correct me if I am wrong...is that even though birds of a feather flock together...no two people think exactly the same way.

For those who enjoy the company with a certain crowd, they dare not voice anything contrary to the 'belief system' in that particular crowd lest they lose being a part of that crowd.

Saying I'm sorry for being judgmental towards a woman who bobs her hair might go a long way, even if they still believe that way.

Incidentally, I've never heard of any man losing sleep over a woman (who is not his wife) going to hell because they bobbed their hair.

DaveC519 01-27-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1217681)
How are we going to love sinners, if we don't love our brothers and sisters? :(

Now that's a quote to remember! :thumbsup

Aquila 01-28-2013 07:22 AM

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It's interesting... near death experiences all have an interesting thread in common. While we're focused on "right theology"... it seems people come back from a near death experience emphasizing right love. The point is... mental midgets think they can understand everything about an infinite God and demand that you think the way they do. But God, being infinite, is more concerned with the reality of how we have loved.

Bishop Cleatus 01-28-2013 07:40 AM

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I approve of this thread.

kclee4jc 01-28-2013 07:46 AM

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We have a responsibility to proclaim truth in love. Even when the truth is offensive.

LifeUncommon 01-28-2013 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila (Post 1218026)
It's interesting... near death experiences all have an interesting thread in common. While we're focused on "right theology"... it seems people come back from a near death experience emphasizing right love. The point is... mental midgets think they can understand everything about an infinite God and demand that you think the way they do. But God, being infinite, is more concerned with the reality of how we have loved.

THIS!!!! :yourock

KeptByTheWord 01-28-2013 09:22 AM

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I too approve of this thread Cindy!!

This is a question that we all need to ask of ourselves, and of the denomination we are affiliated with.

This has been my concern for a long time about the Apostolic/Pentecostal churches in general... and even among other denominations too...

A group get some truth or revelation... and then begin to hate or despise anyone else who doesn't share that similar belief and pronounce hell-fire judgment on them for their lack of belief. What an amazing concept.... yet that is why the Crusades took place, the Inquisition, all the religious wars that are going on even now in our world....

So... if one sits down and reads the entire gospels one after another... you will not find that kind of judgment coming from the Lord, instead you find a thread of love weaved throughout His ministry. The only time he ranted and railed was towards the religious groups of the day, the Sadducees and the Pharisees, who thought they had religion wrapped up and tied up...

Seems to me that these churches today that think they've got God wrapped up and tied up in their little belief system, might take a closer look at how Jesus would feel if He were to literally walk into their churches today....

Love is the way of Christ. Hatred is the way of man.

Likewise, you can tell by the fruit being borne out of anyone's life if you look at the way they handle a situation in which they've been mistreated, misused, and rejected. If hatred, enmity, and divergence spill forth, the Spirit of Christ is not reigning in that life.

If, on the other hand... love pours forth, along with forgiveness and the fruits of the spirit, you may be sure that the mind of Christ is indwelling and reigning in that person's life.

Ron 01-28-2013 10:13 AM

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Now let me get this straight, ECUMENICALISM is by & large of the devil & in fact, many beleive it is trying to bring us toward that one world Church mentioned in Revelation.
ECUMENICALISM, in and of itself leads to a watering down of doctrine & scriptures.
That being said, we can all fulfill the scripture admonition to love one another, in fact, God even says for us to love our enemies!
Two issues are being discussed IMO that really shouldn't be, but I may be misreading you Cindy?

Definition of ECUMENICAL
1
: worldwide or general in extent, influence, or application
2
a : of, relating to, or representing the whole of a body of churches
b : promoting or tending toward worldwide Christian unity or cooperation


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