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Jermyn Davidson 01-29-2013 07:21 AM

Reduced Welfare Benefits for Poor Grades
 
Excellent idea!
But I am short on the details about this.
Does anyone know if this is actually the law somewhere?
if so, where and how is it working for them?

ILG 01-29-2013 07:25 AM

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Huh?

Kids are going to get less food if they don't get good grades?

odooley6985 01-29-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1218495)
Huh?

Kids are going to get less food if they don't get good grades?

Meanwhile banks that we bailed out get to pay their CEO's huge bonuses while laying people off. Makes sense.

Cindy 01-29-2013 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1218511)
Meanwhile banks that we bailed out get to pay their CEO's huge bonuses while laying people off. Makes sense.

Yep

scotty 01-29-2013 09:30 AM

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Children go hungry because their teacher sucks?


Sure, that makes sense. :smack

Timmy 01-29-2013 09:41 AM

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Oooh, another "pile on Jermyn" thread! :lol

(Sorry, JD, couldn't resist. :heeheehee)

not4saken 01-29-2013 09:51 AM

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Stupidest I have ever heard!!!! SERIOUSLY???

scotty 01-29-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1218524)
Oooh, another "pile on Jermyn" thread! :lol

(Sorry, JD, couldn't resist. :heeheehee)


:smack







:spit

Cindy 01-29-2013 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by not4saken (Post 1218526)
Stupidest I have ever heard!!!! SERIOUSLY???

:naughty No substituting for/or slang words are allowed. Will edit for you.

Timmy 01-29-2013 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1218536)
:naughty No substituting for/or slang words are allowed. Will edit for you.

Cut her some slack. She's menopausal. :lol

Wonder 01-29-2013 10:28 AM

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Definitely do not agree with this. This would not benefit the kids, it isn't the kids fault that they are depending on help. Some people really do need this help ! Of course there are those adults that abuse this help and it is those kids that would probably be abused by parents if they were the cause of the decline in help.

scotty 01-29-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 1218541)
Cut her some slack. She's menopausal. :lol

:bolt





Oh.. wait...I didn't say that





:popcorn2

Timmy 01-29-2013 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 1218549)
:bolt





Oh.. wait...I didn't say that





:popcorn2

She said it! She won't be mad at me. Oh. Wait. She's menopausal! :bolt

Hoovie 01-29-2013 11:12 AM

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Connecting food to grades sounds like a bad idea... but then, I am not an advocate for public education nor public welfare.

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 11:20 AM

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I absolutely do NOT support this idea. If people NEED food and/or shelter, that benefit shouldn't be based on ANYTHING except their need for it. Ridiculous. :foottap

I'm aghast at the idea--and I can't believe you (JD) would even consider it. Did you have your Wheaties this morning??????

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1218555)
Connecting food to grades sounds like a bad idea... but then, I am not an advocate for public education nor public welfare.

I'm not an advocate of public education either, BUT it was instituted for a good reason: to serve children who lack parents or guardians who can either teach them or pay for their education. It's necessary.

I want welfare to be controlled better, but I would not want it abolished. What an awful society we would be if we didn't make sure those in poverty received assistance!

scotty 01-29-2013 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1218560)
I absolutely do NOT support this idea. If people NEED food and/or shelter, that benefit shouldn't be based on ANYTHING except their need for it. Ridiculous. :foottap

I'm aghast at the idea--and I can't believe you (JD) would even consider it. Did you have your Wheaties this morning??????

Im betting JD's approval was :stirpot

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by scotty (Post 1218576)
Im betting JD's approval was :stirpot

You're probably right. :foottap

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 12:42 PM

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http://video.foxnews.com/v/2125011509001/

It looks like someone thinks its a good idea. :blink

RandyWayne 01-29-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1218606)
http://video.foxnews.com/v/2125011509001/

It looks like someone thinks its a good idea. :blink

Well, I personally think elements of it are a good idea. If we leave grades out how about using general attendance? I have no problems with tying a parents welfare to actually making sure their kids attend school.

Cindy 01-29-2013 01:39 PM

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I know that some children that have benefits that are not used by their parent(s) correctly. Some trade them for drugs, or other habits. Or waste them on junk food. Maybe the parents need to get good grades, instead of the children.

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1218627)
Well, I personally think elements of it are a good idea. If we leave grades out how about using general attendance? I have no problems with tying a parents welfare to actually making sure their kids attend school.

Iffy, even on that point. Children aren't responsible if their parents are too lazy or irresponsible to get up and take them to school or to make sure they get on the bus. I'm still not okay with essentially denying benefits to needy children based on something over which they may have no control.

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy (Post 1218629)
I know that some children that have benefits that are not used by their parent(s) correctly. Some trade them for drugs, or other habits. Or waste them on junk food. Maybe the parents need to get good grades, instead of the children.

:) I'm fine with this. Require parents to attend classes and pass them. :thumbsup

Jermyn Davidson 01-29-2013 01:45 PM

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This is an EXCELLENT idea and tie in a 1.0 GPA requirement.

The children of welfare recipients are still the responsibility of the welfare recipients. This is an excellent incentive for parents to practice the minimal parenting skills.

Further, once children get the idea that their family may get money NOW if they perform in school, maybe it will discourage them from skipping school to go into the workforce to "provide for their families."

Cindy 01-29-2013 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1218637)
:) I'm fine with this. Require parents to attend classes and pass them. :thumbsup

:thumbsup

Praxeas 01-29-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1218493)
Excellent idea!
But I am short on the details about this.
Does anyone know if this is actually the law somewhere?
if so, where and how is it working for them?

I don't know if that is a good idea...

Kid screws up one semester and gets lower grades....family starves for a semester... Really?

Cindy 01-29-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1218638)
This is an EXCELLENT idea and tie in a 1.0 GPA requirement.

The children of welfare recipients are still the responsibility of the welfare recipients. This is an excellent incentive for parents to practice the minimal parenting skills.

Further, once children get the idea that their family may get money NOW if they perform in school, maybe it will discourage them from skipping school to go into the workforce to "provide for their families."

What age should it start with, JD?

MissBrattified 01-29-2013 01:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1218638)
This is an EXCELLENT idea and tie in a 1.0 GPA requirement.

The children of welfare recipients are still the responsibility of the welfare recipients. This is an excellent incentive for parents to practice the minimal parenting skills.

Further, once children get the idea that their family may get money NOW if they perform in school, maybe it will discourage them from skipping school to go into the workforce to "provide for their families."

And if those children have perfect attendance, do all their homework and STILL get bad grades, what then? They don't deserve to eat?

scotty 01-29-2013 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1218638)
This is an EXCELLENT idea and tie in a 1.0 GPA requirement.

The children of welfare recipients are still the responsibility of the welfare recipients. This is an excellent incentive for parents to practice the minimal parenting skills.

Further, once children get the idea that their family may get money NOW if they perform in school, maybe it will discourage them from skipping school to go into the workforce to "provide for their families."

Yes,

and when irresponsible parents start losing benifits they can then beat their children since they, of course, are to blame.

I'm sorry, but this is putting adult size responsibility on the child.

I can see some of these parents now, "Its your fault we are starving because you can't bring your grades up" or even worse " we are hungry because you are stupid".

Its a bad idea all the way around.

Tell you what, get it passed federal law that recipients are required to take a drug test. Then we'll consider talking about the kids grades.

Or better yet, if you want to grade the kids, grade their clothes. If the kid gets a failing grade because they are wearing clothes the local homeless shelter wouldn't take yet their parents are in Caddilacs and Tommy Hilfinger then no benefits.

Then go remove the child from the home.

ILG 01-29-2013 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wonder (Post 1218542)
Definitely do not agree with this. This would not benefit the kids, it isn't the kids fault that they are depending on help. Some people really do need this help ! Of course there are those adults that abuse this help and it is those kids that would probably be abused by parents if they were the cause of the decline in help.

Absolutely! Sounds like a horrible plan.

ILG 01-29-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1218555)
Connecting food to grades sounds like a bad idea... but then, I am not an advocate for public education nor public welfare.

I'm not a big fan of either of those either. But since the system is already in place, let's not make it worse, eh?

ILG 01-29-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1218638)
This is an EXCELLENT idea and tie in a 1.0 GPA requirement.

The children of welfare recipients are still the responsibility of the welfare recipients. This is an excellent incentive for parents to practice the minimal parenting skills.

Further, once children get the idea that their family may get money NOW if they perform in school, maybe it will discourage them from skipping school to go into the workforce to "provide for their families."

Yeah, the deadbeat parents will beat the kids silly and blame them when the parents are at fault. Make the parents responsible, not the kids!

Hoovie 01-29-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ILG (Post 1218696)
I'm not a big fan of either of those either. But since the system is already in place, let's not make it worse, eh?

Their burecratic existence tends to feed themselves ineffiecency.... But yeah I don't think it's a good plan to connect the grades/benefit. Now drug testing to get the benefit might be a better idea!

ILG 01-29-2013 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1218707)
Their burecratic existence tends to feed themselves ineffiecency.... But yeah I don't think it's a good plan to connect the grades/benefit. Now drug testing to get the benefit might be a better idea!

Yeah, I can see that more than grades. But still, I wouldn't want the kids to not eat because Mom keeps shooting heroin. Of course, at that point the kids should be in foster care, as much as I hate foster care. But I wouldn't put kids in foster care over the parents smoking some weed. There lies another debate.


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