How the T. Drost Situation Is Affecting Me
 

A few months ago I submitted by application witht he World Mission's board of the UPCI to become an "Associate in Missions" to the country of Mexico. Sadly, I was informed by the board that the UPCI would not be sending any new missionaries to Mexico until further notice and was calling appointed missionaries home from Mexico. Why? Because of the T.W. Drost situation.

That's right. The Great Commission as it relates to Mexico is on hold because of one man. Souls do not matter. Obeying Christ's command does not matter. Let's play denominational politics here and let the world go to hell.

Sorry, but I've had enough. This kind of garbage simply is not of God. It's bad enough we still have the antiquated "deputation" system where missionaries have to leave the field for 1-2 years at a time in order to beg the church to continue to support them. But now this?

I'm seriously thinking of just going at it alone as an independent. Do I really want to bring new converts into such an unhealthy spiritual environment? Allot of this comes from the false, unbiblical idea that allot of these ministers have that they are SSOOO important and needed by God to begin with. I completely disagree with T.W. drost's attitiude. But I think the UPCI is making a huge mistake by taking this "wait and see" attitude when it comes to Mexico. They could still send missionaries and tell them to stay out of political affairs of IPUM and just be about the Father's business.

Thank you for letting me vent.

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Cry me a river.

Did call you to Mexico?

Go.

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Paul didn't need PIMs to spread the Gospel. If you're called, go.

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What's that about?

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Not to slam a org.but you don't have to belong to one to do a work for God,if you desire to join another one there are plenty of Op fellowships out there,or be independent but if God calls you to do something He will make a way.

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:highfive

I get so tired of hearing these guys whine about missions.

Missionaries live the charmed life.

I also don't understand the need for "approval."

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Who's talking about "approval"? That's not the point. I certainly would like to link up with some seasoned missionaries down there for mentoring purposes. I think that is logical. But I guess they won't be from my fellowship. Maybe that's for the best. All I'm saying is I'm not waiting around any more. "Missionaries live the charmed life"? Really? Ok.

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Yes, well, maybe God is broadening your fellowship circle.

You should never have waited to begin with, but I understand.


In many cases, yes.

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Charmed life...LOL.

Here, give up your home/job/etc and move to a foreign country where in many cases they don't speak your language. Live hundreds or thousands of miles away from all your friends and family. Maybe, just maybe, you will get enough support to actually pay the bills.

Yeah...charmed.

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Are you sure it is only the Drost situation? The US State Department has warned Texans to stay away from Mexico. It is am extremely volatile place to be right now.

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In order to "submit to those who have rule over you," and in order for "everything to be done with decency and in order", the would be AIM'er who wants to go to Mexico needs to wait.

God is Sovereign.
If He has called you knowing that your understanding was that He was going to use you through the UPCI, He will either make His Calling for you so clear while opening another door that will be IMPOSSIBLE to reasonably refute as an act of GOD or He will work things out with the UPCI.

You could always leave the UPCI, but in this situation, I think that decision would be a bit hasty.

God has ordained human government.
God has ordained church government.
You need to wait.

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1. No one makes a missionary give up SQUAT. They go of their own accord. Don't sign up if you're going to whine about the mission.

2. Missionaries (UPC) are 100% funded. They get appliances, vehicles, great retirement, birthday and Christmas gifts and many times use the natives as personal servants.

I'm trying to understand what's so rough about the gig. Also find it hard to offer sympathy.

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there is a thread on aff about it do a search. something about a drost refusal to resign, upci firing drost as missionary and potential church split in ipum.(upc of mexico)

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The just shall live by faith. :thumbsup

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God will protect missionaries there. I've heard stories, anyway. (And sometimes, well, He decides not to protect them. :dunno)

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That is true. If you feel called of God and something stops you for a while, you might find out later it was for a reason. I certainly wouldn't go to Mexico unless God put a very strong burden on my heart to go there - Or any country for that matter.

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Do you know why they recalled the missionaries exactly? Maybe there was a threat against them? Or maybe the government wanted them out

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The part of Mexico I'd be going to is within the safe zone. No travel advisories.

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It was because Drost went on YouTube accusing them of having been "out to steal his job" all along, and that they also were the leaders of the group that broke away from his authority and started the new group. What he failed to mention is that the new group elected a Mexican national to be their General Superintendent. Anyway, the UPCI felt that , for the protection of the missionaries against false accusations bt Drost, that it was best for them to come home, and that all further missions efforts should be put on hold.

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If you have means to go, GO! Start something fresh. Pave the way for others to follow. Don't worry about that Drost guy. He's going home soon.

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You need to do a search on here. There is an extensive thread about the Drost situation. Basiclay there was a dispute between Drost and the UPCI Foreign Missions division and Drost has pulled the entire Mexican UPC out of the main org. I am quite sure that is why the UPCI recalled missionairies and are not currently sending AIM's to Mexico.

I am sure they are waiting to resolve the situation or to get a new organization organized to go back into Mexico competing with Drost's org.

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Good advise, listen to this.^

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This!

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I read it the first time. My question is what about the Drost situation caused this exactly? What did it do to make them pull missionaries?

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I don't think anybody publicly knows the answer to your question about what happened but you don't have to know what happened to understand why they pulled missionaries back. Those missionaries were now part of a "rogue" National UPC work. The UPCI was not going to leave UPC missionaries being supported by the FM division there working under Drost and in facilities, etc that he controls.

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I'm just saying, maybe they had a good reason

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There must be a serious impasse with Drost and UPCI Foreign Missions Dept., because Mexico would just be one of many countries where UPC is nationally registered and independent of UPCI (though numerically they are usually included).

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We have two former missionaries in our church, and our church supports a LOT of missionaries (who come by our church when they're on deputation). I have yet to meet a whiner. :foottap

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Seriously???....I have a friend in missions right now that is being followed constantly by authorities waiting for her to slip up...she is is constant danger...and yet because of her love for the Gospel she keeps on. Her husbands (deceased now) health was broken after 27 years on the field, they were shot at, robbed, assaulted, and in danger multiple times.

You are so bitter against the UPC you have nothing good to say about any part of it.

Get over yourself.

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I don't care what denomination where a person is called. A missionary is a calling where you will see your rewards on the other side of this earth.

I have much respect for missions.

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If God told you go then go. He will provide.

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Is it that simple? What about visa requirements?

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God will provide. If he doesn't, you were wrong: he didn't send you. Go back home.

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Why should americans be bothered with visas? The mexicans don't. :)

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Timmy what about those about those who don't teach the "truth" and they are provided for??? Maybe the devil provides for them. :heeheehee

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Hmm. You have a point, there. :lol

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I need a connection for a work visa. I'm going somewhere on a tourist visa. I will be over staying my welcome. I'm going to be a wetback. :foottap

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"Going" to be? :heeheehee

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In a sermon titled When Moses and Aaron Met Jannes and Jambres Randy Keyes states that this kind of stuff happens (false churches prospering) because "there's not a budget problem in Pharaoh's house." paraphrased.

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I'm 3rd generation American. My family came legally. Respect that.