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Wang Mo Shi 02-15-2013 04:45 PM
My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Hi: I received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in Jesus Name, and attended the UPCI church in San Jose for 24 years. I left 13 years ago, and still consider my pastor as a wonderful man, and his family.

My wife always had long uncut hair, but after 17 years, she had 24 inch long split ends. After studying the subject for myself; I was appalled by what I found out: MY PASTOR'S WIFE HAD BROIDERED HAIR? This means that her hair was twined, braided or convoluted. If you tie a veil in knots, can it still conceal the wearer?

Since the womens hair is a veil or covering, if you broider the hair, the womens head is uncovered. Meaning that her ears and neck are not concealed as nature would teach us. Thus my pastors wife had been praying with her head uncovered. It would then be better then if her hair was shorn like a man or shaven. If that is ashamed her veil(hair) should be worn down as nature would teach us to cover her head. Is it not funny that when you point your finger at someone else that there are three fingers pointing back!!!!

I then searched for how did this uncut doctrine that basically said that all women must take a Nazerite vow creap into the church? Some uneducated people took the doctrine from Clarks Commentary.

:happydance

Praxeas 02-15-2013 04:50 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
The womans hair is not a veil. Its a covering

Praxeas 02-15-2013 04:51 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
What do you think broidered hair means?

Praxeas 02-15-2013 04:52 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Who teaches women must take a nazarite vow? Please provide quotes

Wang Mo Shi 02-15-2013 05:17 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Related to VEIL

Synonyms: blanket, cope, cover, covering, coverture, cover-up, curtain, hood, mantle, mask, pall, penumbra, robe, shroud, cloak, wraps.

If you demand that all women must never cut their hair, what do you think it is?:happydance

Dordrecht 02-15-2013 06:21 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Same old stuff all over again.
What's next...skirts?
Beards?
Jewelry?

Praxeas 02-15-2013 07:16 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi (Post 1224283)
Related to VEIL

Synonyms: blanket, cope, cover, covering, coverture, cover-up, curtain, hood, mantle, mask, pall, penumbra, robe, shroud, cloak, wraps.

If you demand that all women must never cut their hair, what do you think it is?:happydance
A baseball cap is a covering. Is it a veil?

I havent demanded anything.

PastorTLArt 02-15-2013 07:29 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
is this one of those topics thats "hair today and gone tomorrow"?

Pressing-On 02-15-2013 07:52 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Sorry Lacey, but this is smelling like a poser to me. :icecream

Dordrecht 02-15-2013 08:05 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
One of these days I'm going to
walk into the UPCI with a pair
of scissors and create havoc.

Hoovie 02-15-2013 08:43 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1224318)
One of these days I'm going to
walk into the UPCI with a pair
of scissors and create havoc.
Sixteen years for a Federal hate crime... Ask Sam Mullet!

AreYouReady? 02-15-2013 09:28 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PastorTLArt (Post 1224312)
is this one of those topics thats "hair today and gone tomorrow"?
How about hair today, tomorrow and forever? :heeheehee

It never goes away.

Dordrecht 02-16-2013 08:18 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1224326)
Sixteen years for a Federal hate crime... Ask Sam Mullet!
Cutting hair is a hate crime?

AreYouReady? 02-16-2013 10:02 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1224360)
Cutting hair is a hate crime?
It is if one Amish does it forcibly to another, especially if that "other" is Amish. He forcibly cut the beards off his fellow amish.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...rgholz_re.html

strait shooter 02-16-2013 11:51 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoovie (Post 1224326)
Sixteen years for a Federal hate crime... Ask Sam Mullet!
Wouldn't have to worry about 16 years if he walked into our church and started slashing away with scissors....we are in AZ and we pack around here.... he would suffer lead poisoning right quick.

houston 02-16-2013 11:54 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strait shooter (Post 1224438)
Wouldn't have to worry about 16 years if he walked into our church and started slashing away with scissors....we are in AZ and we pack around here.... he would suffer lead poisoning right quick.
What a Christian thing to do.

strait shooter 02-16-2013 12:13 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by houston (Post 1224440)
What a Christian thing to do.
If some idiot walked into our church, pulled out a pair of scissors and started assaulting (and it would be assault) my wife and daughters, and the other ladies in the church...it would be the right thing to do....anyone who would do that has to be insane or real evil and there is no telling whether he would start slashing other body parts next.....I would blow his stinkin' head off, they would carry him out feet first, and we would have to replace the carpet. Its getting old anyway.

strait shooter 02-16-2013 12:13 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1224318)
One of these days I'm going to
walk into the UPCI with a pair
of scissors and create havoc.
What an asinine comment.

Cindy 02-16-2013 12:20 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1224318)
One of these days I'm going to
walk into the UPCI with a pair
of scissors and create havoc.
:shocked:

Wang Mo Shi 02-16-2013 01:07 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
The hair is the natural covering or veil given by God, not a baseball cap. In other words: If you have a Pentecostal UpDo when you are praying, your hair is broidered. The problem in Corinth was that women were wearing their hair up and their heads were thus uncovered. This is what Paul was saying to be ashamed. Jewish women wore their hair down naturally, and it is the grory of the women, because her long hair covers her.

Praxeas 02-16-2013 03:06 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi (Post 1224490)
The hair is the natural covering or veil given by God, not a baseball cap. In other words: If you have a Pentecostal UpDo when you are praying, your hair is broidered. The problem in Corinth was that women were wearing their hair up and their heads were thus uncovered. This is what Paul was saying to be ashamed. Jewish women wore their hair down naturally, and it is the grory of the women, because her long hair covers her.
Once again you equivocate veil and covering without evidence. Please prove the hair is a veil.

Putting hair up is not broidered.

Broidered is an old King James word meaning braided.

No where does it say the Corinthian women wore their hair up.

Where does Paul say to be like Jewish women?

Wang Mo Shi 02-16-2013 10:34 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
In Greek to Broider is plegma:

AV — broidered hair 1 Thayer's Lexicon (Help)

WHAT IS WOVEN, PLAITED, OR TWISTED TOGEATHER

When you have an UpDo, your hair would be twisted togeather (Broidered).

Praxeas 02-17-2013 01:36 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wang Mo Shi (Post 1224615)
In Greek to Broider is plegma:

AV — broidered hair 1 Thayer's Lexicon (Help)

WHAT IS WOVEN, PLAITED, OR TWISTED TOGEATHER

When you have an UpDo, your hair would be twisted togeather (Broidered).
Not necessarily. This is actually talking about elaborate braiding Greek women did with precious gems and items in it, not putting it on top of the head

Steve Epley 02-17-2013 07:47 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
NOTHING in 1Cor. 11 implies a woman has to wear her hair down. Her head is to be covered not her neck and shoulders. Just saying.

Cindy 02-17-2013 09:31 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1224635)
NOTHING in 1Cor. 11 implies a woman has to wear her hair down. Her head is to be covered not her neck and shoulders. Just saying.
:thumbsup

AreYouReady? 02-17-2013 09:46 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1224635)
NOTHING in 1Cor. 11 implies a woman has to wear her hair down. Her head is to be covered not her neck and shoulders. Just saying.
Then what is the purpose of having long hair if it is to be piled on top of her head? Short hair covers the head too.

houston 02-17-2013 10:03 AM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1224643)
Then what is the purpose of having long hair if it is to be piled on top of her head? Short hair covers the head too.
Yes! Exactly!

Steve Epley 02-17-2013 02:44 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AreYouReady? (Post 1224643)
Then what is the purpose of having long hair if it is to be piled on top of her head? Short hair covers the head too.
Cut hair is the opposite of being covered and it has nothing to do with length or style. Komoa means 'let her hair grow NOT let her hair hang down."

Dordrecht 02-17-2013 03:26 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by strait shooter (Post 1224459)
What an asinine comment.
Yes, isn't it?

That would be like walking with a loud noisy chainsaw
in protected rain forest.

Dordrecht 02-17-2013 03:34 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
So what it boils down to for some people on this forum:

Cut hair: you go to hell.
No tithes paid: you go to hell.

Apparently what Jesus did on the cross
means nothing to these people.

I talked to a fellow once who drove 150 miles to church and back on sunday.
He said: "I have to do this, otherwise my family will loose salvation"

His pastor told him. (UPCI)

Good grief!

Of course it would do no good because he was unemployed and had no money left for tithes after filling up his truck with all that gas every sunday.

navygoat1998 02-17-2013 03:43 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dordrecht (Post 1224699)
So what it boils down to for some people on this forum:

Cut hair: you go to hell.
No tithes paid: you go to hell.

Apparently what Jesus did on the cross
means nothing to these people.

I talked to a fellow once who drove 150 miles to church and back on sunday.
He said: "I have to do this, otherwise my family will loose salvation"

His pastor told him. (UPCI)

Good grief!

Of course it would do no good because he was unemployed and had no money left for tithes after filling up his truck with all that gas every sunday.

(UPCI)
And this is a surprise to you????

Dordrecht 02-17-2013 03:45 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1224705)
And this is a surprise to you????
Not at all.

Steve Epley 02-17-2013 03:52 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Not going to waste my time.

navygoat1998 02-17-2013 03:54 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1224711)
Not going to waste my time.
I understand, sometimes I feel the same way. :happydance

Dordrecht 02-17-2013 03:58 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1224712)
I understand, sometimes I feel the same way. :happydance
LOL

AreYouReady? 02-17-2013 09:06 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1224686)
Cut hair is the opposite of being covered and it has nothing to do with length or style. Komoa means 'let her hair grow NOT let her hair hang down."
Double talk.

AreYouReady? 02-17-2013 09:09 PM
Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1224711)
Not going to waste my time.
That's right.

Not wanting to be disrespectful but remember this: Just because you declare something, your declaration does not make it the truth.

OnTheFritz 02-17-2013 09:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1224686)

Cut hair is the opposite of being covered and it has nothing to do with length or style. Komoa means 'let her hair grow NOT let her hair hang down."
10 points for doctrinal gymnastics!

Does cut hair not grow?

Dordrecht 02-17-2013 09:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1224748)
10 points for doctrinal gymnastics!

Does cut hair not grow?
It does, but you need to speak in tongues. Lol:smack

AreYouReady? 02-17-2013 09:24 PM
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LOL!


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