Moses Had The Holy Spirit
 

Just found it interesting to find in the Bible where God says His holy spirit was within Moses. There are many who say the term holy spirit doesn't appear in the OT. Surely it does. KJV

Isaiah 63:10-11--But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. 11--Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?

Yeshua Bless You

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In terms of anointing, yes. In terms of a New Testament new birth experience, no.

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Also found holy Spirit in
Psalm 51:11--Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy Spirit from me.
Yeshua Bless You

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Jesus said, "He has been WITH you and SHALL be IN you."

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It was kinda the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit lite.

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Moses is considered the greatest prophet. FULL of the holy spirit.

Yeshua Bless You

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but not "born of the Spirit" which is a post Calvary experience not available until the Son of Man was glorified.

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God is Holy and God is Spirit. This spirit has always been in man. We have always been married to God we just forgot.

Isaiah 54:5--For thine maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is His name......

If have yet only been baptized with water. God baptizes all His prophets and Apostles with fire. We too are to be baptized with fire. We haven't as yet. It's a process of burning, cleansing and purging ones sins. This process is done by God Himself. It's a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

First, 1 Timothy 5:24 states that some come to judgment before hand. That's what the trial by fire is and what is gone through before God manifests His powers through someone. All prophets and Apostles were tried and baptized by fire.
New Testament
Luke 3:16-17, Romans 13:1-6, 1 Corinthians 3:13-20, 2 Corinthians 5:10, 2 Corinthians 12:7-10, Galatians 4:13-14, Philippians 1:29-30, 1 Thess. 1:6, 2 Thess. 1:4-5, Hebrews 10:31-32, Hebrews 4:12-13, 1 Peter 1:7, 4:1-2, Matthew 3:11, Luke 3:16-17
Old Testament
Job 23:10, 19:29, Zechariah 3:1-5, Malachi 3:2-3, Psalm 66:10-12, Jeremiah 9:7
Numbers 31:23-24--Everything that may abide the fire, ye shall make it go through the fire, and it shall be clean: nevertheless it shall be purified with the water of separation: and all that abideth not the fire ye shall make go through the water. 24--And ye shall wash your clothes on the seventh day, and ye shall come into the camp.---This is a parallel for baptism by water and fire. The seventh day is the day of rest for God and His chosen.
I think I have more somewhere, I'll check on it.
Yeshua Bless You

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You are not rightly dividing the word. Jesus "breathed' on his disciples and told them to receive the Spirit. This indicates that what was breathed into man in the garden of Eden had to be restored, namely, eternal life. Because of sin, God could no longer dwell in man. Christ had to shed his blood, rise from the dead, and be glorified in order for man to be a fit habitation for the Spirit to live in. John 7 is CLEAR..."The Holy ghost was NOT YET GIVEN because Jesus was not glorified..." Jesus did not come to remind us that we already had the Spirit, he came that we might have the Spirit, something that we did NOT have. To believe otherwise is to be clueless as to the gospel.

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Lest a man be born again he shall not see the Kingdom of God. Right?

If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his. Right?

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I am continuously amazed by some of the comments on this forum. It's generally best to allow scripture to speak for itself. Luke 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

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Yes many don't let the scritpure speak for itself, The scripture did not say no one had the spirit in the OT, we see this in the passages quoted already. The prophet said "I will pour out of my spirit on all flesh" Meaning some did have the spirit of God in times past, but now God's spirit is readily avallable to all that ask.

The OT nation of Isreal did not need to have God's spirit dwelling within them they had the spirit of God already in the middle of the nation, IE the tabernacle. Which represented the indwelling spirit of God in the individual life today.

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John 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) KJV

Kind of hard to have something that had not been given yet.

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Pretty much lays that one to rest, doesn't it! That's what I call "Letting the Scriptures speak for themselves." Always interpret the Old in light of the New, never the other way around. That will get you into trouble every time!

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And by this we find redemption without the Spirit of God indwelling a person.

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Pretty much lays that one to rest, doesn't it! That's what I call "Letting the Scriptures speak for themselves." Always interpret the Old in light of the New, never the other way around. That will get you into trouble every time!

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And by this we find redemption without the Spirit of God indwelling a person.

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I what way is a person in any way "redemeed," without the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit which makes us New Creations. We are commanded by Jesus to receive the Holy Spirit (Jn 20:22). It is the entrance of the Spirit that brings about our regeneration.

Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
Eze_36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze_36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Eze_18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

All of these verses were fulfilled in Acts 2, on the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was poured out as prophesied by the Lord in Joel.
Joe_2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joe_2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

God says He will pour out HIS Spirit. The Bible makes it clear that there is only ONE Spirit. Paul says it is the Spirit of God/Christ.

Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

There is only one possible conclusion to arrive at: Jesus IS the One True and Living God manifest in the flesh, and in the absence of the indwelling Spirit of Christ/God, we remain dead in trespasses and sin.

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There is only one thing which redeems and that's the blood of the Lamb of God. Only the blood. Nothing but the blood.

There are those suggesting that one must 'get' the Holy Ghost to be saved, but this Holy Ghost wasn't available before the day of Pentecost. The conclusion then is that the Old Testament saints, to whom the Holy Ghost wasn't available, aren't saved. Unless they 'got' the Holy Ghost after they died which presents quite a sticky wicket indeed.

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Once again scripture speaks for itself, too bad people try to interpret the Bible to say what they want. :nah

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True. Some will attempt to make the bible say that one is redeemed by something other than the blood of the Lamb of God.

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Those who suggest that one must "get" the Holy Ghost, are merely stating the truth of scripture.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The Holy Ghost is the Spirit of Christ. Jesus is the comforter. He is the Spirit of God. Until you receive His Spirit, you are not saved. Scripture can't make it any plainer.

As for the Old Testament Saints? The OT saints were saved the same way the New Testament saints were/are saved, by faith.

For what does the Scripture say? "And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness." 4Now to the one who works, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works: 7"Blessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven, and whose sins have been covered. 8"Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account" (Rom. 4:3-8).

As you can see, the Bible tells us that Abraham was justified by faith (see Rom. 5:1 and Eph. 2:8-9). That is, his faith is reckoned as righteousness, v. 4 above. They were saved by faith in the Messiah in whom they were trusting. Only, for them it was a trust in the future Messiah. They knew He was coming as had been prophesied.

Also, the Holy Spirit was there in the OT times the same as the NT times. Consider Psalm 51:11, "Do not cast me away from Thy presence, And do not take Thy Holy Spirit from me."

God did not change how He saved people in the New Testament. It has always been by faith. In the case of the OT people, they looked ahead in time to the Messiah. We look back to Him and see the cross.

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The Old Testament saints apparently didn't 'have' the Holy Spirit though, for it was not given yet. On one hand you seem to be suggesting that one must 'have' the Holy Ghost but on the other hand suggesting the Holy Ghost wasn't given until after the Old Testament epoch was over. If it's necessary to 'have' the Holy Ghost for redemption, how could the OT saints be redeemed without the Holy Ghost? To use your earlier phrase, "it's hard to have something which hasn't been given yet".

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Once again, Scripture itself provides the answer. The Spirit was "with" them but not "in" them. That's the difference between the two Covenants. Jesus, in speaking to the Old Testament Saints, more popularly known as His disciples, explains it clearly:

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

He was with them but shortly, would be IN them. A new day was dawning and it changed things forever. Better Covenant/Better Promises!
(Heb 8:6). The better promise was the "promise of the Father," the indwelling of His Spirit.

Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the New Birth. God's Spirit recreating our spirit, thus making all things new!

2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Simple really!

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Scripture says that the Holy Ghost had not yet been given and as you said, "it's hard to have something which hadn't been given yet". Now, had the Holy Ghost been given in OT or had it not been given?

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Do we still follow the law of Moses, are you going to the temple and giving your sacrifice for your sins? No; we live in a different dispensation, one that was shown and exemplified by Christ himself through his own baptism and the preceding symbolism of the Holy Spirit as a dove resting on him. How can you say that we do not need the Holy Ghost when scripture clearly states that we do? I mean really?

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Up to the Day of Pentecost the Law of Moses defined the way of salvation, Jesus ushered in the New Birth, or as Jesus put it, being born again, you know the conversation he had with Nicodemus about water and Spirit.

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There was a very specific operation of the Holy Spirit in the OT times that was clearly distinct and different to that which is available to us today.

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

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Oneness believers acknowledge that the Baptism with, by, of, or in the Holy Spirit is a vital aspect of New Testament salvation (Jn 3:5; Ro 8:1-16; I Cor 12:13; Eph 1:13,14; Titus 3:5). The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the normal and basic New Testament experience with God, the birth of the spirit.
Oneness believers understand the Baptism of the Holy Spirit to be an integral part of receiving Christ. For them it is not an optional, post-conversion experience, nor is it a “second work of grace” or a new encounter with a different member of the trinity. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is the normal, basic New Testament experience with God—the birth of the spirit.
This experience then is vital to salvation as shown by the fact that “if any man has not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Roman 8:9). This does not refer to some sort of “Christ like attitude” or spirit of meekness, as some teach. It is rather, a direct reference to the Spirit of God, the Holy Ghost which is the Spirit of Christ. This verse alone demonstrates forever that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is essential to salvation.

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You pointed out that you can't have what wasn't yet given, in this case the Holy Ghost in the OT. If the OT folks didn't have the Holy Ghost which is needed for salvation, how were they saved? Did the Holy Ghost change between the OT and the NT or was there a different savior in the OT as compared to the NT?

You also indicated that the Holy Ghost operated distinctly and different to how He operates today, but it was still the same Holy Ghost, wasn't it? How did the Holy Ghost role of salvation differ between the OT and the NT?

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seekerman, I so enjoy our discussions. I do however, feel that some of them are better held in a different forum. You ask things that are not easily answered in a paragraph or two. I've given more than enough Scriptural support in my previous posts to enable any serious student of the Bible to search out the truth on this issue. I feel sometimes you may enjoy arguing just for the sake of argument. Even you understand the difference between the two Covenants and the way in which God operates in the various dispensations. We don't need to belabor that here. it's getting late here and I have miles to go before I sleep. Visit my website at: miraclesinaction.weebly.com or my blog at: larrylyates.blogspot.com
If you don't find what you're looking for there, we'll live to talk another day. Lord bless!:thumbsup

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It's simple really, the Holy Ghost wasn't given until the New Testament, according to scripture, yet we have OT saints who are saved without the NT Holy Ghost. If the NT Holy Ghost is a requirement for salvation then the OT saints are lost for they did not have this NT Holy Ghost.

Thanks for the conversation though, maybe we can continue at another time.

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scripture says that GOD moved on the outward of Man in the Old Testament.Holy Ghost was poured out on the Day of Pentecost..

The OT says GOD buried Moses.In the New Testament we find Moses being buried By GOD (Jesus).So being baptized (With Jesus ) He received the Spirit from Jesus.So by NT standards Moses received the correct burial and Spirit of GOD.

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1 Peter 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

There certainly were individuals in the Old Testament who had the Holy Spirit indwelling them and to say otherwise is to deny the Scriptures.

Looks like a couple of people have beat up on Sheila pretty hard. Kind of reminds me of the end of Hebrews 5 where it speaks of teachers who still need to be taught.

None of us have it all right and personally I commend Sheila for stepping up to the plate with as many OT quotes as she had to support her position. Albeit she did make a mistake regarding Moses being the greatest Prophet, that was hardly sufficient reason to stone her for it.

BTW. Ezekiel is prophesying of the HS being poured out same as others in the OT did.

Acts 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

The OT is a prophecy of both the NT and today the same as the NT is of today because much of NT prophecy is based on OT prophecy still being fulfilled

Blessings

Doug

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Christ did not come to remind us that we had the spirit because virtually all of us did not. I haven't seen any born again Christian's faces shining with light yet. Um, and Moses was pre-Christ, of course, making this post moot. Or null? Void? Ya.

Nice, Shiela; betcha Moses woulda laughed at 'Spirit lite.' :lol