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Does anyone recognize this list of Trinity criticisms of Oneness? As I remembered it came from the Oneness of God by Bernard, but I cannot find it in his book. Perhaps it was written by him in another of his books but I've given all those away. Can anyone help me with the source?


Oneness is heresy
Oneness is a cult
Modalism has an evolutionary God who changes.
Modalism teaches they have an exclusive truth apart from systematic theology, creeds, confessions, and reverent commentaries
They deny the authority of the Holy Spirit in history
Oneness comes from "pagan roots."
The Modalistic God is, "incoherent."
Jesus Christ is a vague power rather than the incarnation of a divine person.
Truth is replaced with relativism concerning God.
God is a Trinity in one era, Mohammed in another, etc.

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No but those don't make sense as "arguments"...
Modalism does not have an evolutionary God who changes...and Oneness is not really modalism

Modalism does not teach "we have an exclusive truth apart from Systematic Theology"...that it's not inline with confessions or creeds don't prove it's not biblical

What does "authority of the Holy Spirit in history" mean?

"pagan roots" is a rather subjective argument as is the "incoherent" argument since everyone claims the other persons theology is incoherent

Oneness teaches Jesus is God incarnate...so that's a false argument

Truth is not replaced with relativism concerning God. We believe the bible is an absolute truth and authority on who and what God is.

Trinity and Mohammed?

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LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Trinity people made of Oneness doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Trinity folks do not know what we believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Oneness folks cannot articulate Oneness doctrine either. Its no wonder Trinity people are confused about us!

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Bolded are what Oneness people say about Trinitarians as well.

The above quote can also be said this way and be just as true -

"LOL, Prax these were supposed to be arguments Oneness people made of Trinitarian doctrine. I know they "don't make sense." Most Oneness folks do not know what ** believe. BUT, sad to say, a lot of (more then should be) Trinity folks cannot articulate Trinitarian doctrine either. Its no wonder Oneness people are confused about **!"

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:thumbsup

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Beside the fact that God exists and is Creator there is no truth as glorious and magnificent than Oneness. I will define it that the Christ (Yeshua) is both the Everlasting Father and the Begotten Son.

Isaiah 9:6

6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given : and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor , The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

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How cool is this MTD? He raised Himself from the dead.

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This division of brothers and sisters about the Godhead makes me sad.

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Me too.

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I am over the whole bickering about the Godhead. Like many here I have had fellowship with both groups and I think that we all say the same thing in a different way and we worship the same God. Trinitarian,Oneness or Twoness who cares?????

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Colossians 2:2-3

New King James Version (NKJV)

2 That their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, both of the Father and of Christ,
3 In whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

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:nod

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:highfive

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If folks would only agree with me I wouldn't have to bicker. But then, that would be no fun! :)

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:heeheehee

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I don't see it as "bickering". I see it as "speaking the truth in love".
At times it can be grievous. Yet I know no greater joy than to speak the things of Yeshua.

John said:

3 For I rejoiced greatly, when the brethren came and testified of the truth that is in thee, even as thou walkest in the truth. 4 I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

So I don't feel guilty about rejoicing in the truth.

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Yup...that's a tough one for the JWs to grasp

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I agree....I think everyone from every walk of life and every religion/Faith/belief and denomination are connected with God in some way or another. I don't down others and how they worship God or how they believe....I have a hard enough time with my own walk and struggles~

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My pastor with a Trinitarian (born and raised AG) background said that Sunday as part of his message. I watched as the Spirit moved on him and he really brought a powerful Palm Sunday message.

We have had Godhead discussions over coffee and he always tells me that there is only one God in heaven and His name is Jesus.

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See, it's not that hard to agree and know the truth.

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me too!!!

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:killinme