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The former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations under President George W. Bush, John Bolton, called the report "completely divorced from reality" and stressed that the procedures were "lawyered, and lawyered again, and lawyered again."

"The whole point of the Bush administration’s review of the techniques was so that no one would be tortured," he said. "The intention was precisely the opposite."

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Where is General Patton when you need him? War is what it is - war.

"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't."

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How can the US government then presume to criticize or judge other nations for the same behavior?

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We are a lot more civilized than other nations. But, we will have to meet brute force with brute force. We should never engage in a war without the intent to win. And we need to make sure we are going in for the right reasons, which, I don't believe we have always done.

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We shouldn't. In any war the letter of the law is not followed. I don't think it's possible to do that. I do not in any way support torture.

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You are so right.

What I'd like to know is......let's say we captured a terrorist on our soil who knew where a nuclear devise was that was going to detonate in 24 hours. Are some of you telling me that it would not be justifiable to use whatever means possible to extract that information from him, including threatening his family? Again, I'm ASKING, not declaring, so save the sermons.

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I ask the same question. If you knew that the suspect in front of you had information that absolutely would save countless lives....? What might go through your mind as a human being. Again, just asking.

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i'm not only talking about judging others in a general way. what if other countries had american prisoners. how can we be an advocate of human rights for their protection or use human rights violations as a justification for invasion if we act the same way? this report should launch an official investigation with criminal charges.

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I would get the information however I could get it. War is rough. If you step into the middle of it, you are in for better or for worse. My husband, who served in the Air Force, said that "More than likely, I would do whatever to get the information."

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I was referring to our military being more civilized than some other nations... Sometimes to our own detriment, but I think Iraq has changed some things.

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that is a very ethnocentric generalization. what do you mean by civilized? islam had math and science before us and preserved the ancient texts of greek civilization for the west. china has a long history of ethics in their confucian philosophy. i think only africa and india have primitive religious and social class beliefs, but it wasn't long ago that america didn't have women's suffrage and had racist jim crow policies of its' own. can you expound a little bit on how exactly are we more civilized, what countries are less civilized and in what way or were you just spewing groundless right wing pontifications with no basis in fact? :heeheehee

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have you seen the bradley manning leaked video of our civilized military in action against unarmed children?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0I6S8mva-s

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I am talking about our reputation as soldiers. We, overall, have a good reputation regardless of the media bias.. I've talked to men in uniform who told me how they were and are received in Iraq and Afghanistan. The people are glad they are there and know they are there to help.

I don't care what the Daily Beast or CNN is telling you. I've talked to people in the military myself who have been there and are still serving. I personally know someone who works at Ft Erwin. He told me that 75-80% of the returning soldiers want to go back, because they feel they are helping the people. AND that the people trust them.

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have you seen post 14 with the bradley manning video? innocent children from a military video, not cnn or the mainstream media who have not even reported on the video. only democracy now (available as itunes podcast or through their website if not on your local cable)

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Anything to distract from our current problems....like a liberal :throwrock

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Yes, I just watched it. I don't see a problem here. I agree with the soldier that it's their fault for bringing the children into a war zone. Incidentally, the solider in the video was running with a child in his arms to obtain some medical attention. That is who our soldiers are.

Let's talk about your President who is about to use Executive Order on the gun issue that was voted down yesterday. He needs to be deported to Cuba, it looks like to me.

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Absolutely. On the condition that Obama's college records are unsealed and he's investigated for posing as a foreign national to get a tuition break. Fair enough?

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Amen! :highfive

By the time "Real America" wakes up to the truth about the islamic threat. It will be too late, I'm afraid.

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maybe the fact that we got bombed in boston is that bush tortured, prisoners in guantanamo without due process and innocent civilians getting killed by obama drones. only someone blinded by indifference couldn't see the relevance.

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I could think of someone who he could take with him. That is the liberal thing. No shame whatsoever in trashing the poeple who go to some of the most god-awful places on earth, put themselves in the line of fire and and sometimes get horribly mutilated or die in the defense of a bunch of chuckle-heads who have never left there cozy think tanks and never defended anything but a false, wrong opinion.

Yes, we tortured people to get info to facilitating bringing down an organization who hates everything about America and Americans. Some guy whose mind is dedicated to who knows what want's them charged with crimes. I say give them all medals. Throw a parade with free Beer and BBQ at the end.

Hey, if waterboarding will help break some creep who has no human rights because he is a murderer of innocents, I say praise the lord and pass the bucket.

If a person protects and defends the rights of terrorists whose whole goal is to harm us. I have to say that person is on their side.