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This excerpt from the news article clearly indicates her duplicity for the entire course of her employment. I agree with the school's decision......

In a statement released last week, the diocese said personnel matters are confidential, but said school employees when hired agree to a church moral code.

“Personnel who choose to publicly espouse relationships or principles that are contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church cannot, ultimately, remain in the employ of the Church,” the statement said.

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She screwed up the don't ask, don't tell thing pretty good for sure.

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As wrong as it is to feel this way...I'm REALLY getting sick and tired of gays. I understand I should love them, but I am so tired of them and their whining about "rights" and being descriminated against. Keep your perversion in your bedroom and don't broadcast it and you won't have any problems.

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Amen. I know that sometimes there is discrimination. However, all too often they know the position they are putting themselves in with regards to a private organization. And I agree with keeping things of a private nature in the bedroom. We all have private lives and things that are very very personal. Yet we don't broadcast it 24/7 and demand that churches, ministries, and private organizations change their identity for us.

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Where is the 'like' button?

I do feel sorry for her in one respect... Having lost my mom only a year ago I have to say it is a time when you evaluate family and the priority of family... She obviously had kept her private life private for a long time and may have had a moment of weakness in her grief. It's too bad she is losing her job over it but you can't unring a bell even if she wishes she could.

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From the article:
"A diocese in Ohio is under siege — receiving numerous threatening calls as well as heated online criticism."

So why isn't this considered a "hate crime"?
Ohhh... wait... It's because it is happening to a "Christian" organization...
Note: I use the term "Christian" loosely here.

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I am pretty disgusted with how "hurt" she looks in the video. She decided to out herself and works for a religious school. Maybe if she wanted to be "out" she should have started looking for another job before she outed herself. Or maybe she really doesn't care and just wants to make herself a martyr for the cause. I suspect that is it. I even think some gays are born that way (but I think most are probably not) but anyway, I think she did this to be a banner for the gay community.

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Yes, the part about her Mom dying is where I do feel sorry for her.

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I wonder if the school would have done the same thing if it was revealed that she was living with a male partner, or had an affair with a male partner?

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Good question.

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I could not disagree more with this statement! Everything we do, whether good or bad, wicked or honorable, and this excludes nothing, "BEGINS" with a conscious decision.

Men are born as men, and women are born as women. If either chooses to 'play the role' of the opposite sex, then there arrived that critical moment when they made the decision to engage in that opposing role. It was their decision to make, and they could just as easily have chosen otherwise.

They will have no one but themselves to blame for their wicked deeds, for I am persuaded that even one's God-given conscience served to 'warn' them before they ever engaged in a homosexual act the very first time.

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I think you are wrong about the bolded. There are actually some people born with a medical condition where they are born with the genitalia of both sexes.
They are known as hermaphrodites. Their parents and doctors may decide at birth to make them female when they really identify as male. That is not their fault. Also, some are born with males genes but look female. This is a scientific fact.

On the flip-side, I think there is a terrible trend to make homosexual behavior mainstream and many, who may not truly be gay, are jumping into the bandwagon as a fad. I am opposed to this.

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Not always. How do you explain hermaphrodites? I explain them by believing that they are on the end of a spectrum of gender and gender identity that we can SEE... but we all know that there are many things we can not SEE that are nontheless real (even God is kinda like that). Same sex attraction is not a concious choice for many people... acting on it (or not) IS a choice. Many people who have struggled with same sex attraction have completely given up on God because they have been given this 'choice' speech... and some have even given up on life entirely...

Let's be mindful to not wound any of God's children with our presumptions or with our words.

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What people seem to fail to understand is that, homosexuality just like all sin, is a temptation and desire to that which is against God. You can be gay, and have never acted on the desire. You're not born gay, but neither do you choose to be tempted as such either. People aren't born murderers, but still there are those who have a strong murdering desire, the same as people who lie, steal, and cheat, etc., Do we call a man, an adulterer, if he never goes out and physically cheats, but strongly desires to, and can't even be a husband to his wife because of these desires?

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And I think with all the genetically modified food and prescription drugs in the water etc., who knows what sort of weird things we are concocting in the bodies of people? I think we need to be careful what we condemn.

But I don't think the woman in this article should have put the school in this position. That was a choice she made.

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So to summarize, and please correct me if I am wrong, but you feel that being gay and not acting on it is no different than someone who feels they are but also realizes it is wrong and thus, does not act on those feelings?

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Yep... hormones from the cradle to the grave now... brought to you by your government supported food production system... But we love those shiny packages and whatever that stuff is inside an Oreo cookie, don't we?

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Whoa, whoa, whoa!!! Now you're just meddling...........you just leave my Oreos out of this!!!!!:heeheehee

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When dealing with sexuality we have such a deep mix of factors. We have...

psychology (soul)
biology (body)
spirituality (spirit)

Hormones, pheromones, unconscious chemical reactions and dopamine release in the brain, etc.

So much of it is unconscious and does begin in early adolescence. One can come from the "perfect" family and still have these desires.

I also found it interesting how a rather high percent of twins who were separated at birth had similar sexuality.

The FLESH (with it's biology) is fallen. I look at it like a "bug" in the program. Sin has effected us down to the very genetic level.

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I believe that in this dispensation of Grace that God is just as gracious and patient with those who struggle with homosexuality as He is those who have other sexual struggles and issues.

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^^^^^this one^^^^^

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Or donuts. Especially hot. . . . donuts.

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Depends. If they realize they have these attractions, and put up a strong resistance to these temptations, fight them, and don't give in, in anyway, in thoughts or deeds, and go on doing that which is right, no I don't feel it's the same.

But if someone has these attractions, know that they are wrong, and don't go out and get a partner, or don't physically commit the act, but desires, lusts after it, contemplates the deed, daydreams about doing it, "getoff" on the thought of it, to the point that if it was possible for them to do it, they would, but only reason they're not because circumstances doesn't permit it, then, yes I feel they are no different, but the same.

It's the same as when Jesus said that if a man looks after a woman who is married, and lusts after her, he committed adultery already in his heart, even when he hasn't even committed the act.

If people would do what Jesus did, when the devil tempted Him and told Him to turn that stone to bread, where at the time He was really hungry, and could have used something to eat, and resisted the devil right away, and didn't give in, then they're not under condemnation.

But it seems that for most people, they would have turned that stone to bread, or would have said in their heart, "I'm not going to turn it, but it's no harm to just look at it," then they start to think on it, and salivate at the thought of it. That's not putting up a strong resisting...

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Thanks for clarifying. :)

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I don't recall ever deciding to be heterosexual. Do you?

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Yes definately... It was Eric Estrada on C.H.I.P.S in a tight T-shirt that did it!:heeheehee

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Well, actually I do. Once I discovered that I was born a male I accepted that as my sexual gender, and DECIDED to remain that way!

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I suppose that if any of my children had been born as you've noted, and I felt compelled to determine which sex they were to identify with, then the determining factor would have been whether they were capable of child-bearing. In that case, I would have opted for them being female, for no male that I've ever known or heard about has possessed a womb. There are only two sexes, male and female, and unless one has a womb and is capable of child-bearing, then they would have to be classed as a male. Seems rather simple to me, but that's just my opinion.

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For me it was probably watching Vicki Stubing from The Love Boat (hey, I was only 10 or 11!). Of course I also had a crush on "Jessica 6" from the television version of Logans Run.

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Those who claim that being heterosexual was a conscious "choice" are also saying that they could make a "conscious choice" to be gay.

I think real straight people don't remember ever choosing to be straight. Puberty hit and suddenly... things began to happen in their bodies when they thought about or looked at the opposite sex.

I don't remember consciously choosing to be straight. And from the testimony of the vast majority of homosexuals... they don't remember ever consciously choosing to be gay. Imagine an 11 year old kid hitting pubert and... only the same gender aroused them. Then imagine discovering that your parents find it sick and would disown you. Then you discover that your church would cast you out. Then you find out that your best friend would bash your head in because you showered together in gym. Then you find out that there are churches and other groups that hate you so much... they think you should be killed. A lot of teens who kill themselves do so because of all of this. If it is so much of a "choice"... why not just "choose to be straight" and move on??? Why struggle to the point where suicide appears more merciful than your friends, family, or church finding out???

It's sad really.

In all honesty... I feel a lot of compassion for them. I couldn't imagine the condemnation and fear many have had to endure. I could sleep with a prostitute and not loose my family... and my church would probably expect me at the altar... but they'd still love me and expect me to attend.

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I knew without a doubt that I was straight when I discovered Kathy Ireland in a bikini... in my dad's top dresser drawer. lol

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As long as you were just sleeping :heeheehee

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Actually you could abandon your wife and children, marry your mistress, have another family with her and the buch of you would be welcomed in just about any church in this country. There are not many that would question your right to remarry or have a sex life. It happens all the time and is so common that our churches are full of remarried folks that left their first families in a wake of destruction. We treat these people just like everybody else while the struggling homosexual is ridiculed and condemed weekly from behind pulpits everywhere. I personally began seeing it as an easy 'shout' for the pastor to rag on the gays and I got disgusted with it.

These are real people with real lives and real souls and we need to act like we understand that.

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So true. It's very easy to get people shouting in response to statements made about a sin that most aren't involved in.

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Frankly, some Christians who identify themselves as being "gay" have more success with prolonged celebacy for Christ than us straights.

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Oh, so you're saying you're just as attracted to men as you are to women, you just choose to be with women specifically?

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That's absurd! I am not now, nor have I ever been in 74+ years of living, the least attracted to men. Your statement is offensive to me!

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Hmm...isn't this basically what you just said about the gays, that they chose to be attracted to the same sex? If has to go both ways. If they choose their attractions (temptations) then you do too. Same sex attractions is a temptation, just like all other sins and abominations. No one chooses to have lusts to kill people. No one chooses to be attracted to little girls and boys. We must fight these temptations, lusts and carnal desires.

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I disagree with you on this. In the first place, opposite-sex attraction is NOT a sin, it is the natural order of things -I personally find pretty girls attractive. Second, SAME-sex attraction is not a sin either -if the person recognizes that acting upon it WOULD be and actively fights to keep his (or hers) "fantasizing" to a minimum.