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MissBrattified 05-06-2013 12:37 PM

Special Forces Told "You Can't Go...." - Benghazi
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-.../#postComments


"The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command South Africa.

The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday."


The interview transcript is available at the CBSNews link.

It's a real shame--and terribly convenient--that this testimony wasn't made available around election time.

Pressing-On 05-06-2013 01:03 PM

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Democrats' Agenda for Benghazi Hearing: Protect Hillary at All Costs

Clinton, the former Secretary of State and likely frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2016, could be severely damaged by testimony about the attacks, which occurred in part because of security lapses for which the State Department is primarily responsible.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...y-at-All-Costs
I don't want to see an impeached Bill Clinton in the WH again via his wife. Nor do I want another Bush, i.e., Jeb. Sick of these people.

navygoat1998 05-06-2013 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1248389)
I don't want to see an impeached Bill Clinton in the WH again via his wife. Nor do I want another Bush, i.e., Jeb. Sick of these people.

I like Rubio but I am a Florida boy!

Pressing-On 05-06-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1248391)
I like Rubio but I am a Florida boy!

He's looking more Establishment as we move along. Comparing the two Cubans, Rubio v. Cruz...Cruz stands miles above Rubio. That was very apparent during the Filibuster and, really, the first time I really noticed that Rubio belonged more in the RNC Establishment crowd. He'll have to do something to change my mind now. Standing next to Cruz, that is going to be a VERY tall order.

RandyWayne 05-06-2013 01:25 PM

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Benghazi Investigation May Turn Into Impeachment Proceedings, if House Believes Whistle-Blowers

Read more: http://joemiller.us/2013/05/benghazi...#ixzz2SXgKyHOO

Pressing-On 05-06-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1248395)
Benghazi Investigation May Turn Into Impeachment Proceedings, if House Believes Whistle-Blowers

Read more: http://joemiller.us/2013/05/benghazi...#ixzz2SXgKyHOO

I imagine everyone else will be "unimpeachable" as well.



White House: Benghazi review board led by ‘unimpeachable’ team [VIDEO]


White House press secretary Jay Carney said Monday that the State Department’s special accountability review board — charged with investigating the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya — was led by an “unimpeachable” team.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/06/wh...#ixzz2SXpNuFoj

Dedicated Mind 05-06-2013 06:30 PM

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keep doing great research guys. i am not wasting my precious time on this wishful thinking nonstory, but please keep me informed on the details. :happydance:happydance

Dedicated Mind 05-06-2013 06:35 PM

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wow bratt, you are posting biased articles

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.'

the team was denied PRIOR TO THE ATTACK are you now saying they knew the attack was coming?

MissBrattified 05-06-2013 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248449)
wow bratt, you are posting biased articles

CBS News is biased now?????? :blink

They're pretty mainstream for that accusation, don't you think? If they're biased, it isn't a conservative bias, that's for sure!

BeenThinkin 05-06-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1248466)
CBS News is biased now?????? :blink

They're pretty mainstream for that accusation, don't you think? If they're biased, it isn't a conservative bias, that's for sure!


MissB, you need to be getting your news from Dedicated Mind! He's the one that "knows it all!" :happydance :happydance :happydance :happydance :happydance :happydance

BT

MissBrattified 05-06-2013 08:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248449)
wow bratt, you are posting biased articles

Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound "when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, 'you can't go now, you don't have the authority to go now.'

the team was denied PRIOR TO THE ATTACK are you now saying they knew the attack was coming?

"PRIOR TO AN ATTACK ON A SECOND U.S. COMPOUND...."


Please read the Benghazi timeline here (from CNN, btw--in case you think this is a biased timeline), and note the context of this entry:

"5:15 a.m. -- Attackers launch assault on a second U.S. facility in Benghazi. Two former U.S. Navy SEALs acting as security contractors are killed. They are identified as Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty."


Do you even know what happened in Benghazi, DM? :coffee2

Dedicated Mind 05-06-2013 08:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1248466)
CBS News is biased now?????? :blink

They're pretty mainstream for that accusation, don't you think? If they're biased, it isn't a conservative bias, that's for sure!

the mainstream media might be liberal on social issues but they are conservative on economic issues. they are obviously worried about hillary clinton in 2016. why didn't you address the fact that the special forces were denied authority before the attack? you are obviously biased just as well for posting this nonstory.

MissBrattified 05-06-2013 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248472)
the mainstream media might be liberal on social issues but they are conservative on economic issues. they are obviously worried about hillary clinton in 2016. why didn't you address the fact that the special forces were denied authority before the attack? you are obviously biased just as well for posting this nonstory.

How is it a non-story that this administration could have sent in more forces to help and instead they told them not to go? If it were Bush in office, it'd be a story--and you would be on it like a duck on a june bug. Your bias is showing here; not mine.

Dedicated Mind 05-06-2013 08:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1248468)
"PRIOR TO AN ATTACK ON A SECOND U.S. COMPOUND...."


Please read the Benghazi timeline here (from CNN, btw--in case you think this is a biased timeline), and note the context of this entry:

"5:15 a.m. -- Attackers launch assault on a second U.S. facility in Benghazi. Two former U.S. Navy SEALs acting as security contractors are killed. They are identified as Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty."


Do you even know what happened in Benghazi, DM? :coffee2

yes i know what happened. i checked your timeline and there is nothing there about a team being denied authorization in the timeline.

MissBrattified 05-06-2013 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248475)
yes i know what happened. i checked your timeline and there is nothing there about a team being denied authorization in the timeline.

That timeline is one that CNN posted in January. Obviously there's no information about being denied authorization, since that information just came to light.

You were making a big deal about them being denied authorization "PRIOR TO THE ATTACK", but that's not what Gregory said. He said they were denied authorization prior to the SECOND ATTACK.

Big difference there. It was, at that point, an ongoing assault and it should have been obvious that assistance was needed. So why was it denied? More importantly, if they had been allowed to go in, could the second attack have been prevented? Could the deaths of Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty have been prevented?

Dedicated Mind 05-06-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1248479)
That timeline is one that CNN posted in January. Obviously there's no information about being denied authorization, since that information just came to light.

You were making a big deal about them being denied authorization "PRIOR TO THE ATTACK", but that's not what Gregory said. He said they were denied authorization prior to the SECOND ATTACK.

Big difference there. It was, at that point, an ongoing assault and it should have been obvious that assistance was needed. So why was it denied? More importantly, if they had been allowed to go in, could the second attack have been prevented? Could the deaths of Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty have been prevented?

i'm sure that questions are legitimate but to suggest that assistance was denied knowingly is to suggest a malevolent motive, which is something you defend bush from in 9-11 conspiracy theorists' accusations. that is what this is; conspiracy fishing expedition, instead of ascribing good faith motives where human fallibility is present.

MissBrattified 05-06-2013 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248491)
i'm sure that questions are legitimate but to suggest that assistance was denied knowingly is to suggest a malevolent motive, which is something you defend bush from in 9-11 conspiracy theorists' accusations. that is what this is; conspiracy fishing expedition, instead of ascribing good faith motives where human fallibility is present.

1. You're right. The questions are legitimate. Thank you.
2. No, it isn't necessarily malevolence; it can simply be misplaced priorities or self-preservation or thinking about politics before peoples' lives. It happens everyday in Washington, but when it leads to lives lost, then it's only fair that people are held personally accountable. No one should get a pass just because they are on the very highest rungs of the political ladder.
3. I'm not a huge Bush fan; not sure where you got that.
4. It's very difficult to ascribe simple "human fallibility" to a situation where the calls for help were very clear. What kind of leader would deny help in this type of situation? The kind of leader you can be proud of, DM? Not me.

Dedicated Mind 05-06-2013 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1248521)
1. You're right. The questions are legitimate. Thank you.
2. No, it isn't necessarily malevolence; it can simply be misplaced priorities or self-preservation or thinking about politics before peoples' lives. It happens everyday in Washington, but when it leads to lives lost, then it's only fair that people are held personally accountable. No one should get a pass just because they are on the very highest rungs of the political ladder.
3. I'm not a huge Bush fan; not sure where you got that.
4. It's very difficult to ascribe simple "human fallibility" to a situation where the calls for help were very clear. What kind of leader would deny help in this type of situation? The kind of leader you can be proud of, DM? Not me.

i agree that if the politics of fear or self preservation instead of bravery and integrity were executed then accountability is in order, but obama in my view has continually and historically displayed the politics of integrity. we will see if there was communication between obama, the national security and africa command in tripoli. there is no proof of communication in the chain of command. we don't know if africa command made a local decision or had orders from higher up. we don't know how high the decision making communication goes. so automatically assuming the worst is not becoming on your part.

Pliny 05-07-2013 06:35 AM

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Concerning the Benghazi Timeline:
The evidence of a cover-up is becoming clear, thanks to information recently released about what happened at Benghazi. Doug Ross of Director Blue has pulled together information from Stephen Hayes and the House Oversight Committee that leads to, in his words, "four inescapable conclusions":
a) Hillary Clinton lied under oath to Congress.
b) Barack Obama went to sleep knowing that a U.S. Ambassador and other Americans were under terrorist attack.
c) Barack Obama awoke refreshed the next day to begin fundraising.
d) The entire Executive Branch lied repeatedly to the American people to save Obama's chances for reelection.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...#ixzz2SbsVvFaB
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n david 05-07-2013 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pliny (Post 1248545)
a) Hillary Clinton lied under oath to Congress.
b) Barack Obama went to sleep knowing that a U.S. Ambassador and other Americans were under terrorist attack.
c) Barack Obama awoke refreshed the next day to begin fundraising.
d) The entire Executive Branch lied repeatedly to the American people to save Obama's chances for reelection.

I don't know that these constitute Impeachment, but these hearings must happen and people should be concerned with what the administration did.

It shows a lot of Obama's character that he a) just went to bed while the firefight was going on; and b) went to Vegas the next morning when there was still chaos in Benghazi. And then to pull a "Wag the Dog" and blame the violence on a youtube video, and criticize the exercise of free speech...it's despicable, vile, disgusting, and totally unforgivable.

n david 05-07-2013 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 1248473)
How is it a non-story that this administration could have sent in more forces to help and instead they told them not to go? If it were Bush in office, it'd be a story--and you would be on it like a duck on a june bug. Your bias is showing here; not mine.

MissBrattified...Benghazi is a non-story. The real story we should be talking about is Gov. Christie's surgery to lose weight.

Christie Undergoes Weight Loss Surgery

Forget about the first US Ambassador in decades being tortured and murdered while the President slept, then went to Vegas to campaign for re-election. Forget that the administration made up a lie about a youtube video, then repeatedly told the lie for weeks afterward.

That's nothing.

The real story, and question, should be: What are Gov. Christie's motives for getting the weight loss surgery. That's what we should talk about. Not Benghazi....stomach stapling. Not Gov't cover-up....an obese Governor trying to get healthier.

:lol

Pressing-On 05-07-2013 11:13 AM

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Tomorrow is going to be a great day. We are coming after you, DM. :heeheehee
Quote:

Tease: What’s Coming for Wednesday’s Benghazi Hearing

“Our sources tell us that of the issues that will be cleared up tomorrow is whether or not Department of Defense was ordered to ‘stand-down,’ and by whom.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ghazi-hearing/

Dedicated Mind 05-07-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1248683)
Tomorrow is going to be a great day. We are coming after you, DM. :heeheehee

i'll try to watch the hearings. anyone have a time? will cspan air?

Pressing-On 05-07-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248686)
i'll try to watch the hearings. anyone have a time? will cspan air?

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/schedule/

11:30 a.m. ET

Pressing-On 05-07-2013 02:47 PM

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Issa: "No question" Clinton's circle involved in Benghazi "cover-up"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...hazi-cover-up/


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