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Originalist 05-07-2013 12:22 PM
Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
One conservative blogger put it well.......

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How can you deal with such people?

You can’t because they believe they have found The Answer — that secret knowledge that the man of the Right believes can only be known to God. The Left believes mankind can be perfected, whereas those on the Right know that Human Beings are, well, human, in the purest sense of the that word — they err and will always err, they are flawed and will always fail.

Thus, the Right seeks to craft governments and institutions that put checks on the damage erring men can do. The Left, on the other hand, believing that people can be perfected, sees no reason for such restraints. Their faith in the idea that the Eschaton can be Immanentized, leads them to brook no opposition because, well, how can you oppose the Illuminated Wisdom they have discovered unless you’re an idiot or a fool? It is a torturous logic they follow and it leads, inevitably, given the frustrations they will experience imposing it on their flawed fellow Human Beings, to them torturing their fellow Human Beings. And it has in every single place it has been tried.

So, there is no possible way normal reasonable people can deal with such people — nor should they because they will be outgunned every time because, unlike themselves, the Left will not feel any pressure to conform to the rules of Right Reason and civilization. The Right plays by a set of rules first forged by the hand of God on Mount Sinai; the Left makes up it rules as it goes along, believing the ends [Illumination, Heaven On Earth] justify the means [anything goes].

It is inevitable that the two sides will clash and that, eventually, the chances are very good that this clash will escalate to the battlefield. This is especially true in The United States, where the belief in constitutional government is the strongest.

The Left will not compromise in the ends they desire to force upon us — they are the most feverish and fervid and fanatical of believers, who are unbound to any sense of morality.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 01:49 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248700)
One conservative blogger put it well.......
This is explains why the right is as nutty as a fruit cake and continues to let religion screw them out of votes.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 01:51 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248700)
One conservative blogger put it well.......
The Left will not compromise in the ends they desire to force upon us — they are the most feverish and fervid and fanatical of believers, who are unbound to any sense of morality.

That was the best part. The right acts like they are the only ones who have morals.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 01:56 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
Where did you find this?Do you have a link?

Dedicated Mind 05-07-2013 01:57 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
by all means fly to guayana and drink the koolaid. i'll donate for your trip.

Cindy 05-07-2013 02:00 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248743)
by all means fly to guayana and drink the koolaid. i'll donate for your trip.
?

Originalist 05-07-2013 02:09 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248743)
by all means fly to guayana and drink the koolaid. i'll donate for your trip.
DM, I thought of you when I read this blog.

Originalist 05-07-2013 02:13 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1248733)
This is explains why the right is as nutty as a fruit cake and continues to let religion screw them out of votes.
You've got it backwards. It's the leftists who are RELIGIOUS in their pursuits.

Did you even read the blog? Or are you just not ready for the truth? The blogger didn't mention religion. He said that conservatism is built on the premise that man is bent towards error and law should be designed to protect our rights from men's error. The left, says the blogger, are the one's who feel they have the right to play God by forcing change on men. So who is nutty and religious? It's not the conservatives.

Originalist 05-07-2013 02:14 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248743)
by all means fly to guayana and drink the koolaid. i'll donate for your trip.
It's you guys who drink the Kool aid and put a gun to the head of those who refuse to drink. This blogger described you very well.

bbyrd009 05-07-2013 03:09 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
ok, no need to get rude, guys. The fruit of politics, in action here.
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1248743)
by all means fly to guayana and drink the koolaid. i'll donate for your trip.
:lol

bbyrd009 05-07-2013 03:11 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
Just for the record, I am centered, but I note that the left has it, Scripturally...where is it; hang on:

"The Left believes mankind can be perfected..."

sounds like "shining ever brighter unto that day" to me!

Politics was designed to do...just what it is doing with you good people; divide them! Witness!

odooley6985 05-07-2013 03:27 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
No link to the blog?

Originalist 05-07-2013 03:49 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1248804)
Just for the record, I am centered, but I note that the left has it, Scripturally...where is it; hang on:

"The Left believes mankind can be perfected..."

sounds like "shining ever brighter unto that day" to me!

Politics was designed to do...just what it is doing with you good people; divide them! Witness!
One could say the same about Jesus. He said...

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Mat 10:31)

Originalist 05-07-2013 03:54 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1248819)
No link to the blog?

http://thecampofthesaints.org/2011/0...united-states/

I know little about this blogger. However, on this topic he is dead on.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 04:00 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248835)
http://thecampofthesaints.org/2011/0...united-states/

I know little about this blogger. However, on this topic he is dead on.
So basically because the Left isnt religious and the Right is, thats why they cant coexist.

bbyrd009 05-07-2013 04:03 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248835)
...I know little about this blogger. However, on this topic he is dead on.
No; he is completely gone astray, and will pay the price of 1Sam8, too.
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248834)
One could say the same about Jesus. He said...
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Mat 10:31)
A big amen to that. But there is a time for everything; even for good men to disagree. It seems to me that this is easy enough without politics, tho.

Originalist 05-07-2013 04:11 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1248841)
So basically because the Left isnt religious and the Right is, thats why they cant coexist.
Bro, God love ya but you simply are having a hard time correctly processing the information in this blog. It is not about religion. It's about REALITY versus fantasy. We can't co-exist because they feel they MUST force their "enlightenment" on the rest of, by force if necessary.

Originalist 05-07-2013 04:14 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by bbyrd009 (Post 1248843)
No; he is completely gone astray, and will pay the price of 1Sam8, too.

A big amen to that. But there is a time for everything; even for good men to disagree. It seems to me that this is easy enough without politics, tho.
Open thine eyes. The left in this country do not agree to disagree. They are bent on ruling you and I.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 04:23 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248850)
Bro, God love ya but you simply are having a hard time correctly processing the information in this blog. It is not about religion. It's about REALITY versus fantasy. We can't co-exist because they feel they MUST force their "enlightenment" on the rest of, by force if necessary.
And when the right wants to force others to accept their enlightenment on others what is that? The Right is far and away more guilty of this than the Left. Look no further than the whole Gay marriage debate. O I guess its ok when the Right does it cause you guys are saved and all. And LOL at anyone on the Right admitting they have erred.

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The Left will not compromise in the ends they desire to force upon us — they are the most feverish and fervid and fanatical of believers
I know a lot of people on the Right who are just like that. This just sums what the Right is all about. Emotion and rhetoric in the absence of facts. :blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah :blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah:blah

odooley6985 05-07-2013 04:26 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248851)
Open thine eyes. The left in this country do not agree to disagree. They are bent on ruling you and I.
Conservative hypocrite is what I call people like you.

Originalist 05-07-2013 04:31 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1248858)
Conservative hypocrite is what I call people like you.

Ha ha Oh really? This ought to be good. What is it that makes me a hypocrite? Who am I trying to control? You've labeled me, now please justify it. I'm all ears.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248862)
Ha ha Oh really? This ought to be good. What is it that makes me a hypocrite? Who am I trying to control? You've labeled me, now please justify it. I'm all ears.
Let me re-phrase that. The Right as a whole should be labeled as conservative hypocrites. People like you accuse the Left of things like "Not willing to agree to disagree." and wanting to "rule over them". Your own words. Yet I am sure if you, and people who think like you, had their way Gays wouldnt be allowed to marry or be in the military. the middle class and poor would be paying more taxes than the rich billionaires of this world, everyone in school would have to pray to a christian GOD, and no Mosques would be allowed around ground zero in NY. Those are just a few of the ways the so called Right, you know the people who are conservative and dont want big government, want to rule of the Left. Thats a conservative hypocrite. Dont want the government or left telling what to do, but I want the government to force everyone to be a conservative christian.

Originalist 05-07-2013 05:11 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1248864)
Let me re-phrase that. The Right as a whole should be labeled as conservative hypocrites. People like you accuse the Left of things like "Not willing to agree to disagree." and wanting to "rule over them". Your own words. Yet I am sure if you, and people who think like you, had their way Gays wouldnt be allowed to marry or be in the military. the middle class and poor would be paying more taxes than the rich billionaires of this world, everyone in school would have to pray to a christian GOD, and no Mosques would be allowed around ground zero in NY. Those are just a few of the ways the so called Right, you know the people who are conservative and dont want big government, want to rule of the Left. Thats a conservative hypocrite. Dont want the government or left telling what to do, but I want the government to force everyone to be a conservative christian.
This may come as a shock to you, but I actually agree with much of what you say here.

Perhaps I'd better be labeled a Constitutionalist/Libertarian. I think New York can decide for itself what goes at Ground Zero. Gay marriage should be left up to the States , and i would not support it in my state. But I'd probably also want the government out of the marriage business all together. School prayer-State issue. Recreational drug use-State issue. Really, if we went strictly by the Constitution, the Christian Right would get most of what it wants in at least 40 States, by default. But guys like Rick Santorum want a "Christian" Federal Government to control everything, the Constitution be damned.

As for taxes, right now the top one percent of income earners account for 40% of all Federal income tax that the IRS collects. The bottom 50% pay little or nothing and get many "tax credits" that really amount to welfare. But truthfully, there should not be all of these taxes going to the Federal government to begin with. The Constitution simply does not authorize the Federal Government to do enough to justify all of these modern Federal taxes. And ALL taxes on ALL income (corporate or personal) should be outlawed. A national sales tax and tariffs would be more just. The Federal Government was never intended to be so personally involved in the lives of individual citizens. Nor should there be such an all powerful Federal agency like the IRS on our shores.

So I'm not sure if any of this absolves me from being a hypocrite or not.

bbyrd009 05-07-2013 05:11 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248851)
Open thine eyes. The left in this country do not agree to disagree. They are bent on ruling you and I.
...ah, conforming to 1Sam8 perfectly. They can remain bent, for all I care; it does not affect my status in the kingdom. I trust that they will make a complete hash of it, as Scripture suggests. I doubt that they could even find me, let alone rule me.

But, for anyone who might consider themselves primarily a citizen, of the USA, say, I feel for you. Open thine own eye, why don't you.

bbyrd009 05-07-2013 05:15 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248871)
This may come as a shock to you, but I actually agree with much of what you say here.

Perhaps I'd better be labeled a Constitutionalist/Libertarian. I think New York can decide for itself what goes at Ground Zero. Gay marriage should be left up to the States , and i would not support it in my state. But I'd probably also want the government out of the marriage business all together. School prayer-State issue. Recreational drug use-State issue. Really, if we went strictly by the Constitution, the Christian Right would get most of what it wants in at least 40 States, by default. But guys like Rick Santorum want a "Christian" Federal Government to control everything, the Constitution be damned.

As for taxes, right now the top one percent of income earners account for 40% of all Federal income tax that the IRS collects. The bottom 50% pay little or nothing and get many "tax credits" that really amount to welfare. But truthfully, there should not be all of these taxes going to the Federal government to begin with. The Constitution simply does not authorize the Federal Government to do enough to justify all of these modern Federal taxes. And ALL taxes on ALL income (corporate or personal) should be outlawed. A national sales tax and tariffs would be more just. The Federal Government was never intended to be so personally involved in the lives of individual citizens. Nor should there be such an all powerful Federal agency like the IRS on our shores.

So I'm not sure if any of this absolves me from being a hypocrite or not.
And just for the record, I pretty much agree with you, too.

odooley6985 05-07-2013 05:19 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1248871)
This may come as a shock to you, but I actually agree with much of what you say here.

Perhaps I'd better be labeled a Constitutionalist/Libertarian. I think New York can decide for itself what goes at Ground Zero. Gay marriage should be left up to the States , and i would not support it in my state. But I'd probably also want the government out of the marriage business all together. School prayer-State issue. Recreational drug use-State issue. Really, if we went strictly by the Constitution, the Christian Right would get most of what it wants in at least 40 States, by default. But guys like Rick Santorum want a "Christian" Federal Government to control everything, the Constitution be damned.

As for taxes, right now the top one percent of income earners account for 40% of all Federal income tax that the IRS collects. The bottom 50% pay little or nothing and get many "tax credits" that really amount to welfare. But truthfully, there should not be all of these taxes going to the Federal government to begin with. The Constitution simply does not authorize the Federal Government to do enough to justify all of these modern Federal taxes. And ALL taxes on ALL income (corporate or personal) should be outlawed. A national sales tax and tariffs would be more just. The Federal Government was never intended to be so personally involved in the lives of individual citizens. Nor should there be such an all powerful Federal agency like the IRS on our shores.

So I'm not sure if any of this absolves me from being a hypocrite or not.
You absolved my son. Seriously though. I for the most part agree with libertarians/constitutionalist. The only thing that made me vote for Obama is due to the fact that I think he is actually for the middle class when it comes to the economy. The whole thing that set me off about your original post quoting the blog article was how he pointed out how the left wants to rule over the right. Both want to rule over the country.

Originalist 05-07-2013 05:30 PM
Re: Why we cannot "co-exist" with the Left
 
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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1248877)
You absolved my son. Seriously though. I for the most part agree with libertarians/constitutionalist. The only thing that made me vote for Obama is due to the fact that I think he is actually for the middle class when it comes to the economy. The whole thing that set me off about your original post quoting the blog article was how he pointed out how the left wants to rule over the right. Both want to rule over the country.
I appreciate your kind words. Personally, I don't think Obama gives a hoot about ANY class, and is a radical Leftist. But I've already covered that ground. But we agree that for the most part, both parties are a joke.

bbyrd009 05-07-2013 05:32 PM
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Amen


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