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Sen. Ted Cruz Speaks in Opposition to the Internet Sales Tax

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-s-c3-kn2E

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This is about major corporations trying to destroy the ma and pa internet businesses and using the federal government to do it. This is none of the federal government's business. This is corporatism or known in the old days as fascism... :thumbsdown

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SMH

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Why are Republicans doing this!? This is a tax increase. They might as well just pass Obama's budget, with its big tax increases. They definitely can't claim to be against raising taxes, because that's what this bill does! By voting on this bill, they've given Obama cover for his "fair share" policy and for his tax increases. Just wait until this hits the street. People are going to be furious when they load the virtual shopping cart and find out it will cost them an extra amount PLUS shipping. It will be devastating to small businesses and people who just wanted to get on pinterest or ebay and sell odds and ends, never wanting to get bogged down in the mess that comes with opening a brick and mortar store.

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That's what it seems they want - to crush the small business.

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I hope there is a different response in the House.

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You see the hypocrisy, right? The Republicans trot the small business out when they're complaining about Obama's budget tax increases and healthcare issues, but now they're pushing this tax increase which will cause the same effect as Obama's increases. It will result in less online sales (who wants to pay for taxes AND shipping?) and it will result in online stores closing because people won't want to deal with the headache.

The hypocrisy is unbelievable, yet totally believable.

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Unfortunately I have to agree. Not only will it cause the internet market to shrink it will cause an undue burden upon businesses that have to keep track of hundreds of municipalities.

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No it's not. It's about Government collecting more taxes. Big corporations do as much business on the Internet as ma and pa

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Sure I see it. It's the same with the CIPSA issue. Obama is claiming he will veto, while Republicans, mainly, voted for it. It's just a roller coaster ride with these two parties.

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Listen to Ted Cruz address the issue. It hurts the small business owner more, Prax. They would have to collect sales tax, nationwide, for around 9,600 tax jurisdictions. They should only have to collect for ONE state. Not only that, but be subjected to the same regulations as multi-million dollar business who have warehouses. Don't tell me the bill is not onerous for them.

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Whether it hurts them or not is not why this was passed. It was passed to grab MORE tax dollars.

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Duh! The argument was that it hurts the Small Business as well. That is the point of this thread. Hello! :heeheehee

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Maybe you should try reading your own posts first before spouting off at me

That's NOT what you said. You said "THIS" referring to this bill.."Is about major corporations TRYING to destroy ma and pa" as IF that is WHY this bil was passed

And I disagreed and still do that the REASON this bill was passed was TO COLLECT MORE TAX MONEY by our ever bloated government and their spending habits.

In particular this is probably a means of helping States collect more money so they can afford Obama Care

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Okay, I forgot everything for you has to be written precisely. Most of us discussing this away from AFF were concerned more, as most conversation on-line, about what happens to the small business.

I agree with your points on the broader issue. But, at the end of the day, it hurts the small business more than anyone. No matter your reasoning behind the bill. Any time Congress creates a tax burden, it hits the mom and pop the hardest.

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You actually wrote it Precisely. You wrote "This is about major corporations trying to destroy the ma and pa internet businesses and using the federal government to do it. This is none of the federal government's business. This is corporatism or known in the old days as fascism..."

You can't get more precise than that. Being concerned about the effect it has on small business is ONE ISSUE but the ISSUE I addressed was YOUR precise and exact words that this was a concerted effort BY big business to harm small businesses and I disagree. This is about big government taking MORE tax money.

I never said it would not hurt small businesses. I said I disagreed with what this was about. Please stop obfuscating and trying to make this about me. I was responding to your verbatim words.

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I can say that "precisely" without lining out where the money is actually going. Most people I talk to understand the conversation. And I DO NOT agree that it was NOT their intention to hurt the small business.

You just like being obtuse.

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I disagreed with what you said "it was about". That is NOT what it was about.

You just like being obnoxious.

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And you are being Obtuse. We are the "O" family. :friend :heeheehee

To a small business owner - IT WAS what THIS was about!

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No we are not. You are being a lot of things I am not allowed to post.

And no I am not being stupid. If you meant to say something OTHER than "it's about big corporations doing X" and instead mean "Oh this will hurt businesses" then at least take the responsibility to admit you don't know how to communicate your ideas effectively or just be honest and admit what you REALLY meant was what you posted...that this was big corporations getting our government to pass this bill so THEY can hurt small ma and pa stores...which is what you actually DID say and what I disagree with.

That is NOT why this bill was passed. It was passed by a money greedy government wanting to get MORE of your money

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Oooo, serious stuff. PM me! :heeheehee

Small business owners BELIEVE this is why the bill was passed. They can't compete with Amazon. What else would they derive from a bill of this type?

"You've got the big business united. You have the big business mortar companies and the big business on-line retail ALL TOGETHER, because the impact of this bill IS TO HAMMER the small business on-line retailers to make it harder for the little guys to compete." - Senator Ted Cruz

Stop being obtuse! :banghead

Why don't YOU take some responsibility and ADMIT that you are WRONG!! :snapout

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Internet Sales Tax Bill Stalling in HouseRetail giants Amazon.com, Best Buy, and Walmart are pouring money into lobbying efforts designed to pass the law. Opponents of the legislation say big online retailers want the bill to pass to crush smaller competitors who cannot readily absorb the compliance costs involved in collecting sales taxes for 9,600 state and local taxing authorities.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...rnet-Sales-Tax

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Maybe they do, but that is not why I BELIEVE it was passed. Ok? Do you understand that? It's pretty clear or do I need to make it even more simple for you to comprehend?

What THEY do or do not do is irrelevant. I do not believe this bill was the result of big business but rather big government. Why is that a problem?

Why can't someone disagree with what you post with out you becoming belligerent and obnoxious? Did your dog run away from home or something? Nobody at home to be obnoxious to so you come here?

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Yea, I am very clear that you think I should agree with you over Senator Ted Cruz and others. Not happening.

Why is that a problem? You are acting like a jerk telling me, "then at least take the responsibility to admit you don't know how to communicate your ideas effectively or just be honest and admit what you REALLY meant was what you posted.."

You gave your opinion and I gave mine. I have Senators, 27 to be exact, who voted against the bill for the very reasons that Sen. Ted Cruz stated - hurting the small business owner.

I have no idea why this conversation has escalated to this degree. Perhaps I responded to you the way I did, because your response is typical of how you generally address people on AFF when you are not in agreement. If you push me, I am going to push back - plain and simple.

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Well DUH! It takes one to know one. DUH! Hello??? :laffatu

That's how you respond to people who just have a different view than what you presented? Yeah? Hello? Feeling stupid yet?

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"It takes one to know one, DUH! Hello"?? Are you sucking on a lollypop?

It got VOTED AGAINST by 27 Senators because of the impact on the small business owner. What is wrong with you? Are you needing attention or something?

:nobodycares

Are you feeling obtuse, yet? :heeheehee

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now I know you were intentionally just being rude...I never denied it's IMPACT.

Good grief PO. Learn how to read. You just told me why some voted AGAINST IT and I was talking about why the others voted FOR IT...because of the TAX REVENUE.

I never denied it's impact to small businesses. If you weren't so busy being rude from the get go you'd have noticed that

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The small business owners AND the 27 Senators are saying it passed to hurt the small business. So, it is BOTH and not just the TAX REVENUE! You are saying it was ONLY for TAX REVENUE and, according to the 27 Senators, et al, that isn't true.

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They can say that if they want PO.

The Dems and Repubs did this because it will bring in MORE tax revenue. They've been wrangling over loss of tax revenue for months coupled with Obama care and other expenses.

That's the WHY.

Will it HURT small businesses? Sure. Is that WHY they voted yes because they want to close small businesses and decrease Job growth? No. This is a case of Politicians being Politicians. They don't THINK before the act when they see dollar signs.

If the 27 Senators said "The reason our colleagues voted for this is because they are bought out by big business and big businesses want to hurt Ma and Pa", that doesn't make it true.

This already happened here in CA where they passed a law requiring all Internet businesses to collect state sales tax. CA is run by Money Hungry Politicians who look for every way possible to make us pay more taxes. This was just the next step.

Again Will it hurt small businesses? Yes

Are most Politicians intelligent enough to realize that? Dunno...maybe it's not intelligence but morality but the fact is this is a MONEY grab because even after Ma and Pa go out of business, Amazon and every other online retailer will still be collecting Taxes for Big Government

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If in our Capitalistic, and I don't include crony, country you push a bill that destroys the relationship between the online merchant and the states by causing them to collect sales tax from states they receive no benefit from, it is much more than about tax revenue, IMO. That has been the argument and it is much more than a political point.

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Just because there are negative consequences of a bill does not mean THAT was the REASON for the bill. And I understand what all the talking heads are saying. I rarely believe what Politicians say.

States need more revenues and need to lean less on the Federal Government especially with Obama Care looming on the horizon.

I believe this is about tax revenue. Pure and simple. They are obfuscating this being about fairness to brick and morter businesses (which also includes ma and pa stores) but the reality is this is about tax revenues.

That is my opinion

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An army surplus retail store receives 60% of their sales online. They will have to close their doors over all the red tape. So, how is cutting their Revenue only about taxing revenue? It is more than about impact. The insanity reaches beyond tax revenue.

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There are a lot of ma and pa stores that are not getting revenue online.

I didn't say cutting THEIR revenue is about tax revenues. I said that this BILL is about tax revenues. It will increase tax revenues to State and Local coffers.

I didn't SAY it would not hurt online ma and pa retailers

I said the bill was ABOUT tax revenues.

No I do not believe government passed this bill to HURT ma and pa retailers even though that will be the negative consequences of it

I believe THEY passed it BECAUSE they want MORE tax revenues.

Yes the IMPACT it will have is negative. NO the reason they want this bill is NOT to hurt ma and pa retailers but to put their hands into our pockets and take more money.

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Seekerman, Seekerman, Seekerman, where art thou? You see what happens when you quit posting! Does the Internet Sales Tax affect God or Jesus? Hurry! Post something. PO is about to whoop one on Prax! :heeheehee :happydance

Been Thinkin

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:toofunny I love your posting, BT! :friend :toofunny

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It certainly is more than about tax revenue, and even reaches further than the ma and pa.

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Thank you PO. I was just about ready to join Seekerman and leave. I post something funny and no one laughs. ..... I post something serious and everyone laughs. I try to post something stupid and wind up failing there, too! Do I go or stay? .... Seekerman we could start our own forum...... AFF.... Agitating Friends Forum.

Been Thinkin Too Much!

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STAY!!!


:toofunny :thumbsup

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Couldn't agree with you more. Sadly, once the government sees the potential for additional taxation it usually comes sooner or later.

The internet sales tax will be an accounting nightmare.

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You are confusing what I am talking about with another issue.

There are two different issues.

What does the bill do

Why did the Senate pass it.

I'm addressing "Why did the Senate pass it" not "What will this bill do"...

The issue I am addressing is MOTIVE not EFFECT while at the same time acknowledging a long time ago the negative effect this BILL will have.