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You got too hot for them. They are no accustom to someone putting the Book on them and not relenting. I could have told you folks in the beginning you were no match for the scholarship of my friend. Just like Sabellus sent Newman packing for the hills years ago truth did the same again. Thank God for truth that makes darkness flee.:happydance:happydance:happydance

Scholarship is not the first word that comes to mind.

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Having witnessed that whole debate, I certainly don't recall Newman being sent packing. I'm surprised you keep saying that, Bro. Epley.

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Newman was never sent packing. The good Elder doesn't like to be confused by the facts. He's been called on it repeatedly, but continues to propogate the prevarication that Newman was chased out. I'm sure it's his perception, and in his mind, it's truth......just like most everything else he believes.

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Haha, oh yeah, that's definitely it. We were no match for his unparallelled wisdom and understanding.

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Michael, you are right, she was never sent packing. :thumbsup

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Ya, "debating" rdp, and trying to get him to understand the most simple concept reminds me of this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdKa9bXVinE

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When someone has such a nasty way of presenting their side of a disagreement that I become ashamed that I agree with them on any point lest I appear to be in their camp... well... it's time for me to scoot... and so scoot I did. I find RDP disgusting, not so much for his beliefs, which he is perfectly entitiled to... but for his attitude... gross guy that I would not want to spend time talking with even if he had nice cows or anything else I was interested in... And I certainly do not want to hear him try to explain God.

Reminds me a lot of that concieted jerk that used to post here under 'thepastorscoach'.

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Yeah...his great scholarship consists of "if it agrees with my point it is wonderful, if it disagrees with my notions...well then that scholar was shoddy, wrong or ignorant. And I know b/c I have a book on Greek and took an online course. Who cares if those sources have Masters and PhDs. I'm right and they are just wrong wrong wrong because I am trying to make sure the Apostolic movement stays frozen in the 1950's".

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:thumbsup

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I concur.

Knowing Newman in the 'real' world of face to face interaction, truth be told, she no doubt has her reasons, which are her own to share or not share...she leads a busy life for starters.

But anyone who knows her, even in this realm, surely must know that Newman is her own girl...dances to her own beat.

Trust me...NO ONE could run her off if she chose to be here.

Respectfully I think Elder E thinks her silence is indicative of not having an answer. Wrong.

It may not be an answer I agree with, but again, trust me, Elder...Newman is NOT at a loss of a response. :nod

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RDP did not present his message in a humble and meek way, but instead berated, criticized and mocked anyone who asked a question, that he insinuated he had answered "before". He did not accept most references and commentaries, except for those ones who may have agreed with his position. All of the other ones were moot... to him. And who gets to determine which ones are right or wrong? Apparently the "great RDP" is the only one who gets to determine which source is correct.

If RDP really was concerned about the eternal welfare of the poor souls on AFF, his attitude certainly didn't display that at all. He came off as condescending, proud, and arrogant, and a haughty attitude to anyone with a different opinion than of himself, and with a desire to prove himself right, more than a desire to rescue all these poor souls from hell fire and brimstone.

An attitude change from RDP and Pliny would have gone a whole lot farther in this debate, but they refuse to see and acknowledge that.... just look at all the wild emoticons displayed on almost every line of his posts. A serious debater doesn't need to resort to these kind of methods to bring forth his point.

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Seriously good looking, is he? :heeheehee

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Sabellus does very well presenting his views, but Newman always presented her views equally well. To say that he trumped her wouldn't be correct.

Newman's contention with his view on "long hair" is that Sabellus used commentary that states, "It may be necessary to reach outside of the Greek to define long as uncut."

Newman questioned that if Paul was speaking to Greek people, why would he reach outside the Greek to do that. I have some of that conversation printed out.

I enjoyed the exchange between them both.

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If it were not for emoticons (don't confuse that with ultracons) rdp wouldn't really have anything to say. :laffatu He (she?) is entertaining to say the least. :happydance Rdp certainly portrays the spirit and attitude of the ultracon camp so no wonder 'reverend' epley enjoys such shenanigans. :heeheehee

Anyone know how many men, women and children have died in the ultracon camp because of the typical ignorant teaching of the 'ministers' who teach it's a sin to go to the doctor? Especially those babies who died because it was a sin for a mother to go to a hospital and have their children, so they had them at home? :bigbaby

'Reverend' epley? Rdp?

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Don't know, but I suspect it's mostly children. Parents seem to stick to their principles better when it's their kids suffering, and not them.

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Ya, and no doubt the reason that remarrying after a divorce (for any reason) is so acceptable among the UC elite, even though there is more bible for (or against) that than something as trivial as pants on women.

And why are women's holiness issues the ONLY subject that some want to debate?

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My 2 cents worth!.... For rdp & Pliny, and I'm sorry to say, Elder Epley, (he put himself in their camp), to be so vicious and haughty with their attitude of knowing it all, why do they feel like 1 Corinthians 13 doesn't apply to them.

I'm sure they would quickly claim the previous chapter, 1 Cor 12, as speaking of them.

1 Cor 12:8* For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

And healing was brought up in the thread.

1 Cor 12:9* To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

But what happened to them when it comes to the next chapter?

1 Cor. 13:1* ¶ Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2* And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3* And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4* ¶ Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5* Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6* Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7* Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8* ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

And of course I could post the rest of the chapter, but I'll refrain because it's on the record, I don't like long posts.

God help me to remember my own words and always be charitable. It doesn't fail!

Been Thinkin

To add insult to injury, I'm viewing most of this on my phone using Forum Runner. And in the main thread view, the emoticons don't even show up. So I just see endless codes with RDP writing hehehehehe. Lord have mercy.

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Spot on!!

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:thumbsup

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I don't know where rdp lives, but has anyone heard if there were any tornadoes in his area last evening or last night? Hope his absence is not because of bad weather.

Been Thinkin

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where is this debate? I totally missed it. maybe a good thing.

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FCF - down in the annals of history.

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I never thought I would see Elder Epley sounding like a Democrat! Pulling that old strategy of believing that if you say something enough times, no matter how ridiculous it is, people will believe it!

As another person said in their reply to this post "scholarship" is NOT the word that comes to mind when thinking of RDP's posts.

The Newman statement is just mind boggling and in no way touches reality. There was a good discussion back then of two clearly differing view points but nobody ever "sent Newman packing for the hills".

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Who is this Newman person?


Certainly not this guy.
http://robpetkau.files.wordpress.com...m-seinfeld.jpg


(I've been here several years and never heard of these debates everyone is talking about.)

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:thumbsup:thumbsup

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Great pointless post!

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Who hates truth? Probably nobody. Why would they? Even I don't hate truth! :lol

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That has nothing to do with the discussion.

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Ya, that's about like claiming, "Anyone who would spell "True" as "Ture" hates correctly spelled words.

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Seekerman, our last two children were born at home and they were the LEAST TROUBLESOME births my wife had.

BTW, that was HER decision (I was scared out of my wits the first time lol).

I have never heard anyone (in real life) teach it was a SIN to go to the doctor. But that attitude is not unique to the 'ultra-con Oneness Pentecostal' camp - it is the GENERAL ATTITUDE of the entire Religious Science movement, as well as the Christian Science movement, and some fringe charismatic groups.

Your vehement disdain for certain people and 'groups' suggests you need some healing, dude.

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Did I miss something but all the UC's I ever associated with were all about prayer and doctors.

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I'm not surprised he says that at all

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Ture, ture

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This is about the ultracons screaming about a person wearing a ring while at the same time turning a blind eye to the poor people in their camp who suffer and die because of their ignorance.

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It's common in the ultracon camp to teach that it's a sin to go to the doctor and the poor people in their 'churches' suffered and died because of that. I can take you to the graves of men, women and children who were part of such teachings, this isn't something rare. This isn't some isolated case here and there.

I know of an 'apostolic church' which was one of those...until the pastor's wife was stricken with a life threatening disease, then she went to the doctor. This was after her grandchild died because of the no doctor teachings which was an important part of their sect. I could call names, some here would recognize them, especially the right 'reverend' epley, but I'm not going to do that. When religious doctrines physically harm children, legal action should be taken against those who practices such evil in the name of God, IMO.

So, the ultracons will preach ignorant doctrines which cause suffering and death but the sheeple in their cultic sect will be so brainwashed and brain dead that they think it's somehow God's will that they suffer and die. They're ok with suffering and dying but will look down their long noses of judgment when they see someone wearing a ring. Just shows you how twisted and evil religion can be.

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Or scream about a ring while wearing a colored tie or bracelet with a clock on it.

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:toofunny :toofunny