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Bishop1 06-02-2007 05:39 PM

" What About LADY TALKERS "
 
Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com



WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY

ABOUT

LADY TALKERS ,

LADY SPEAKERS ,

LADY PREACHERS

AND

LADY PASTORS ?


Before you read this,
another of our series of Bible Truths,
I ask of you to get your BIBLE, {King James Version},
Also
Have Some Words Of Prayer .

A Fire Of Enmity Can Be Kindled by simply stating Bible Truths about
just how far our present society, {including today’s Church World},
has now fallen by allowing WOMEN to fill places of authority over their
GOD Given Head
“ The MAN “ …

Enmity is kindled when you state a known fact :
“This custom is Directly In Violation To The WORD OF GOD “

Matthew 4:4 simply states
“Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of GOD”.

We All Know That
DISOBEDIENCE To GOD’S WORD
IS SIN …..

Now

Lets Take A Simple Look
At What The BIBLE SAYS
About

“ LADY TALKERS “ -
God has a place for women in His Church ,
and if we try to do it GOD’S WAY, the Church will be richly blessed.
No Church will be complete without ‘GOD Fearing Women Who Are
NOT Afraid To Yield To The Presence Of Almighty GOD.

In the beginning Woman Was Created To Be A Helper,
Not To Rule, Or Have The Authority Over The Man..
“ And the Lord GOD said it is not good that man should be alone,
I Will Make A Helpmeet For Him “{suitable for him}
{ * Genesis 2:18 }
“ I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow
thou shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy HUSBAND,
And He Shall Rule Over Thee “
{ * Genesis 3:16 }

Apostle Paul taught that a woman was to be in SUBJECTION.

“ Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection,
But I Suffer NOT A Woman To Teach
Or Usurp Authority Over The Man,
but to learn in silence “.
{ * I Timothy 2:11 }

“ Let your women keep Silence in the Churches;
for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded To Be Under Obedience,
as under the law “
{ * I Corinthians 14:34 }

“ And If They Will Learn Anything
Let Them Ask Their Husbands At Home,
For It Is A SHAME For A Woman To “SPEAK” In The Church “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:35 }

“ If Any Man Think Himself To Be A Prophet Or Spiritual
Let Him ACKNOLEDGE That The Things I Write Unto You
ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:37 }

A woman’s place is that of Obedience And Subjection
and instructions were clearly given in I Peter 3:17
“ For The Wives To Be In Subjection To Their Own Husbands “

“ But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST,
the head of every woman is the Man, and the head of Christ is GOD “.
{ * I Corinthians 11:3 }

NOW
Let us look at some of the women recorded in the BIBLE.
Please do not fail to realize & recognize that there definitely
is a place for women in the Church as provided by GOD…
{ helper, helpmeet, worker, prayer warrior, example to the older
women, example to the younger women and to be an example to
the youth }
Not As Instructors of Men or Pastors.

We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



EXAMPLE # 2 “ D E B O R A H “
{ Read The 4th Chapter of Judges }

DEBORAH had a close relationship with GOD. The men of
that day, { as it is in our day }, were weak in spirit, weak
in zeal, having absolutely no courage.
They also shirked their responsibility by putting the load,
{ that they were supposed to be carrying }, on the women.
They came to this GOD Fearing Woman and asked for advice.

She never usurped authority over BARAK,
but just told him what GOD had revealed unto her. Barak was so
spineless, yellow livered, weak in the knees and scared.
He would not go into battle unless she was willing to go with him.
DEBORAH told BARAK that he would lose honor if she went into
the battle with him because the enemy would be delivered into the
hands of a Woman.
…..{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 3 “ H U L D A H “
{ Read The 34th Chapter of II Chronicles }

HULDAH prophesied,
but the fact remains that
the King Led The People To The House Of GOD….
… { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 4 “ A N N A “
{ Read The 2nd Chapter Of Luke }

ANNA was a righteous and GOD Fearing woman
who fasted, prayed, prophesied and gave testimony
as to the Messiahship Of JESUS …..
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 5 “ The Daughters Of Phillip “
{ Read The 21st Chapter Of Acts }

The “ DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP “ went to Sameria and
‘ did Prophesy thus fulfilling the Prophesy Of JOEL -
“ That In The Last Days I Will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh,
And Your Sons And Daughters Will Prophesy . . . .
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 6 “ P H E B E “
{ Read The 16th Chapter Of Romans }

PHEBE was a Succourer of many. Just what does that word mean ?
According to Webster:
> to help, > to give aid, > to obtain relief for persons in need.
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }





IN CONCLUSION

Let us review the BIBLICAL FACTS .
. .
{ A } The Head Of The Woman Is The Man –

{ B } Woman Is Not To Teach The Man –

{ C } Woman Is Not To Usurp Authority Over The Man –

If
We Believe PAUL
When He Stated The Following ;
“It Is A Shame For A Man To Have Long Hair”

Then We MUST ALSO BELIEVE HIM
When It Is Stated, More Than Twice,
For The Woman
' NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH ’


Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123
:grampa



WHAT SAY YE ?

retsambeW 06-02-2007 05:41 PM

Yawn.



:D


Greetings Bishop! This tired old subject again? We all ready know how ya feel about lady talkers...and denim...and ......et. al.


:D


I have missed ya!

Trouvere 06-02-2007 05:43 PM

GOD Fearing Women Who Are NOT Afraid To Yell In The Presence Of Almighty GOD.:club

CupCake 06-02-2007 05:43 PM

Quote:

WHAT SAY YE ?
Really want to know?????




































I DON'T CARE~ ......:sshhh

Trouvere 06-02-2007 05:48 PM

I am sure a big King James Original Version would weigh at least five to seven pounds and could do some direct damage.:diggin

CC1 06-02-2007 06:01 PM

What do I think about lady talkers? Well, my wife is a lady and occasionally she is quite the talker and she is all right with me.

Now lady preachers?........That is an entirely different subject!!

Bishop1 06-02-2007 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 139020)
What do I think about lady talkers? Well, my wife is a lady and occasionally she is quite the talker and she is all right with me.

Now lady preachers?........That is an entirely different subject!!

LOL

Just Trying To Stir The Pot For Lady Rev - -



Bishop1
:airplane

CupCake 06-02-2007 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 139033)
LOL

Just Trying To Stir The Pot For Lady Rev - -



Bishop1
:airplane

Lol~ May God bless you with many daughters, who've been blessed with the gift of gab......;)

http://www.mops.org/Images/alumni/women_talking.jpg

HeavenlyOne 06-02-2007 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 138981)
[WHAT SAY YE ?

I'd just like to know one thing....since when does one man have authority over another man's wife?

If you say women can't usurp authority over the man (which isn't speaking about all men, btw), where do you have scripture that says the preacher can usurp authority over another man's wife?

HeavenlyOne 06-02-2007 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 139033)
LOL

Just Trying To Stir The Pot For Lady Rev - -



Bishop1
:airplane

I'm sure she'd love to jump in here, but she is quite busy and might not be around for a while yet....perhaps a month. She only occasionally stops by if I tell her about something to read, but her job changed locations and she's also moving 25 miles away from her present location this month.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I'll tell her you said HI!

Newman 06-02-2007 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 138981)
Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com



We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-




Bishop- Ms. Numan wants to know if you want to reconsider this first example before she sets it straight....

But got to run for now. Husband is calling! :sing

Esther 06-02-2007 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 138981)
Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com



WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY

ABOUT

LADY TALKERS ,

LADY SPEAKERS ,

LADY PREACHERS

AND

LADY PASTORS ?


Before you read this,
another of our series of Bible Truths,
I ask of you to get your BIBLE, {King James Version},
Also
Have Some Words Of Prayer .

A Fire Of Enmity Can Be Kindled by simply stating Bible Truths about
just how far our present society, {including today’s Church World},
has now fallen by allowing WOMEN to fill places of authority over their
GOD Given Head
“ The MAN “ …

Enmity is kindled when you state a known fact :
“This custom is Directly In Violation To The WORD OF GOD “

Matthew 4:4 simply states
“Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of GOD”.

We All Know That
DISOBEDIENCE To GOD’S WORD
IS SIN …..

Now

Lets Take A Simple Look
At What The BIBLE SAYS
About

“ LADY TALKERS “ -
God has a place for women in His Church ,
and if we try to do it GOD’S WAY, the Church will be richly blessed.
No Church will be complete without ‘GOD Fearing Women Who Are
NOT Afraid To Yield To The Presence Of Almighty GOD.

In the beginning Woman Was Created To Be A Helper,
Not To Rule, Or Have The Authority Over The Man..
“ And the Lord GOD said it is not good that man should be alone,
I Will Make A Helpmeet For Him “{suitable for him}
{ * Genesis 2:18 }
“ I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow
thou shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy HUSBAND,
And He Shall Rule Over Thee “
{ * Genesis 3:16 }

Apostle Paul taught that a woman was to be in SUBJECTION.

“ Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection,
But I Suffer NOT A Woman To Teach
Or Usurp Authority Over The Man,
but to learn in silence “.
{ * I Timothy 2:11 }

“ Let your women keep Silence in the Churches;
for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded To Be Under Obedience,
as under the law “
{ * I Corinthians 14:34 }

“ And If They Will Learn Anything
Let Them Ask Their Husbands At Home,
For It Is A SHAME For A Woman To “SPEAK” In The Church “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:35 }

“ If Any Man Think Himself To Be A Prophet Or Spiritual
Let Him ACKNOLEDGE That The Things I Write Unto You
ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:37 }

A woman’s place is that of Obedience And Subjection
and instructions were clearly given in I Peter 3:17
“ For The Wives To Be In Subjection To Their Own Husbands “

“ But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST,
the head of every woman is the Man, and the head of Christ is GOD “.
{ * I Corinthians 11:3 }

NOW
Let us look at some of the women recorded in the BIBLE.
Please do not fail to realize & recognize that there definitely
is a place for women in the Church as provided by GOD…
{ helper, helpmeet, worker, prayer warrior, example to the older
women, example to the younger women and to be an example to
the youth }
Not As Instructors of Men or Pastors.

We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



EXAMPLE # 2 “ D E B O R A H “
{ Read The 4th Chapter of Judges }

DEBORAH had a close relationship with GOD. The men of
that day, { as it is in our day }, were weak in spirit, weak
in zeal, having absolutely no courage.
They also shirked their responsibility by putting the load,
{ that they were supposed to be carrying }, on the women.
They came to this GOD Fearing Woman and asked for advice.

She never usurped authority over BARAK,
but just told him what GOD had revealed unto her. Barak was so
spineless, yellow livered, weak in the knees and scared.
He would not go into battle unless she was willing to go with him.
DEBORAH told BARAK that he would lose honor if she went into
the battle with him because the enemy would be delivered into the
hands of a Woman.
…..{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 3 “ H U L D A H “
{ Read The 34th Chapter of II Chronicles }

HULDAH prophesied,
but the fact remains that
the King Led The People To The House Of GOD….
… { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 4 “ A N N A “
{ Read The 2nd Chapter Of Luke }

ANNA was a righteous and GOD Fearing woman
who fasted, prayed, prophesied and gave testimony
as to the Messiahship Of JESUS …..
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 5 “ The Daughters Of Phillip “
{ Read The 21st Chapter Of Acts }

The “ DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP “ went to Sameria and
‘ did Prophesy thus fulfilling the Prophesy Of JOEL -
“ That In The Last Days I Will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh,
And Your Sons And Daughters Will Prophesy . . . .
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 6 “ P H E B E “
{ Read The 16th Chapter Of Romans }

PHEBE was a Succourer of many. Just what does that word mean ?
According to Webster:
> to help, > to give aid, > to obtain relief for persons in need.
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }





IN CONCLUSION

Let us review the BIBLICAL FACTS .
. .
{ A } The Head Of The Woman Is The Man –

{ B } Woman Is Not To Teach The Man –

{ C } Woman Is Not To Usurp Authority Over The Man –

If
We Believe PAUL
When He Stated The Following ;
“It Is A Shame For A Man To Have Long Hair”

Then We MUST ALSO BELIEVE HIM
When It Is Stated, More Than Twice,
For The Woman
' NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH ’


Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123
:grampa



WHAT SAY YE ?

I think you pick and choose the scriptures as you will. IF you really believed the scripture that says a woman is not to SPEAK, think how quiet the church would be. Who would teach the sunday school classes? Who would sing in the choir?

Old Paths 06-02-2007 09:43 PM

Well............


Rom 16:1-2
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

2 That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.
KJV

Old Paths 06-02-2007 09:47 PM

Acts 18:24-26

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.KJV

Old Paths 06-02-2007 09:49 PM

2 John 1

1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
KJV

Michael The Disciple 06-02-2007 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 138981)
Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com



WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY

ABOUT

LADY TALKERS ,

LADY SPEAKERS ,

LADY PREACHERS

AND

LADY PASTORS ?


Before you read this,
another of our series of Bible Truths,
I ask of you to get your BIBLE, {King James Version},
Also
Have Some Words Of Prayer .

A Fire Of Enmity Can Be Kindled by simply stating Bible Truths about
just how far our present society, {including today’s Church World},
has now fallen by allowing WOMEN to fill places of authority over their
GOD Given Head
“ The MAN “ …

Enmity is kindled when you state a known fact :
“This custom is Directly In Violation To The WORD OF GOD “

Matthew 4:4 simply states
“Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of GOD”.

We All Know That
DISOBEDIENCE To GOD’S WORD
IS SIN …..

Now

Lets Take A Simple Look
At What The BIBLE SAYS
About

“ LADY TALKERS “ -
God has a place for women in His Church ,
and if we try to do it GOD’S WAY, the Church will be richly blessed.
No Church will be complete without ‘GOD Fearing Women Who Are
NOT Afraid To Yield To The Presence Of Almighty GOD.

In the beginning Woman Was Created To Be A Helper,
Not To Rule, Or Have The Authority Over The Man..
“ And the Lord GOD said it is not good that man should be alone,
I Will Make A Helpmeet For Him “{suitable for him}
{ * Genesis 2:18 }
“ I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow
thou shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy HUSBAND,
And He Shall Rule Over Thee “
{ * Genesis 3:16 }

Apostle Paul taught that a woman was to be in SUBJECTION.

“ Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection,
But I Suffer NOT A Woman To Teach
Or Usurp Authority Over The Man,
but to learn in silence “.
{ * I Timothy 2:11 }

“ Let your women keep Silence in the Churches;
for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded To Be Under Obedience,
as under the law “
{ * I Corinthians 14:34 }

“ And If They Will Learn Anything
Let Them Ask Their Husbands At Home,
For It Is A SHAME For A Woman To “SPEAK” In The Church “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:35 }

“ If Any Man Think Himself To Be A Prophet Or Spiritual
Let Him ACKNOLEDGE That The Things I Write Unto You
ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:37 }

A woman’s place is that of Obedience And Subjection
and instructions were clearly given in I Peter 3:17
“ For The Wives To Be In Subjection To Their Own Husbands “

“ But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST,
the head of every woman is the Man, and the head of Christ is GOD “.
{ * I Corinthians 11:3 }

NOW
Let us look at some of the women recorded in the BIBLE.
Please do not fail to realize & recognize that there definitely
is a place for women in the Church as provided by GOD…
{ helper, helpmeet, worker, prayer warrior, example to the older
women, example to the younger women and to be an example to
the youth }
Not As Instructors of Men or Pastors.

We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



EXAMPLE # 2 “ D E B O R A H “
{ Read The 4th Chapter of Judges }

DEBORAH had a close relationship with GOD. The men of
that day, { as it is in our day }, were weak in spirit, weak
in zeal, having absolutely no courage.
They also shirked their responsibility by putting the load,
{ that they were supposed to be carrying }, on the women.
They came to this GOD Fearing Woman and asked for advice.

She never usurped authority over BARAK,
but just told him what GOD had revealed unto her. Barak was so
spineless, yellow livered, weak in the knees and scared.
He would not go into battle unless she was willing to go with him.
DEBORAH told BARAK that he would lose honor if she went into
the battle with him because the enemy would be delivered into the
hands of a Woman.
…..{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 3 “ H U L D A H “
{ Read The 34th Chapter of II Chronicles }

HULDAH prophesied,
but the fact remains that
the King Led The People To The House Of GOD….
… { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 4 “ A N N A “
{ Read The 2nd Chapter Of Luke }

ANNA was a righteous and GOD Fearing woman
who fasted, prayed, prophesied and gave testimony
as to the Messiahship Of JESUS …..
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 5 “ The Daughters Of Phillip “
{ Read The 21st Chapter Of Acts }

The “ DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP “ went to Sameria and
‘ did Prophesy thus fulfilling the Prophesy Of JOEL -
“ That In The Last Days I Will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh,
And Your Sons And Daughters Will Prophesy . . . .
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 6 “ P H E B E “
{ Read The 16th Chapter Of Romans }

PHEBE was a Succourer of many. Just what does that word mean ?
According to Webster:
> to help, > to give aid, > to obtain relief for persons in need.
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }





IN CONCLUSION

Let us review the BIBLICAL FACTS .
. .
{ A } The Head Of The Woman Is The Man –

{ B } Woman Is Not To Teach The Man –

{ C } Woman Is Not To Usurp Authority Over The Man –

If
We Believe PAUL
When He Stated The Following ;
“It Is A Shame For A Man To Have Long Hair”

Then We MUST ALSO BELIEVE HIM
When It Is Stated, More Than Twice,
For The Woman
' NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH ’


Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123
:grampa



WHAT SAY YE ?

Good basic teaching.

mizpeh 06-02-2007 10:18 PM

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Trouvere 06-02-2007 10:23 PM

quit pasting bishops words.They are a pest to read and a whole page long.
Give an old woman a break.I have grandchildren ya know.

SISTER Murphy 06-03-2007 12:33 AM

Elder BigShip 1,

I respectfully disagree with your opinion regarding Deborah. The scripture very plainly says,

And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
[5] And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Deborah WAS in a place of leadership and authority in Israel. The scripture doesn't say she judged the women of Israel, it says she judged Israel (that would include the men.)

HeavenlyOne 06-03-2007 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SISTER Murphy (Post 139607)
Elder BigShip 1,

I respectfully disagree with your opinion regarding Deborah. The scripture very plainly says,

And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
[5] And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.

Deborah WAS in a place of leadership and authority in Israel. The scripture doesn't say she judged the women of Israel, it says she judged Israel (that would include the men.)

Not to mention that there were times the priests needed a word from God, but instead of God giving it to them directly, He sent them to Deborah.

Ferd 06-03-2007 04:16 AM

i have said this before so some will think im repeating myself... hee hee..


my great grandmother was a pennycostal preacher.

if she had not preached. if she had not taught, I would not have the holy ghost today....


so I am FOR lady talkers!

except when they are talking too much and making my head spin.

Barb 06-03-2007 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 139650)
i have said this before so some will think im repeating myself... hee hee..


my great grandmother was a pennycostal preacher.

if she had not preached. if she had not taught, I would not have the holy ghost today....


so I am FOR lady talkers!

except when they are talking too much and making my head spin.

That is wonderful, Ferd...

I have been tremendously blessed the last couple of days by listening nonstop to a CD of a message preached in my city last Wednesday night.

The preacher is Pastor Sheryl Brady and she's from NC...the message was SO powerful!!

Rhoni 06-03-2007 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 138987)
GOD Fearing Women Who Are NOT Afraid To Yell In The Presence Of Almighty GOD.:club

:highfive

SISTER Murphy 06-03-2007 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 139358)
2 John 1

1:1 The elder unto the elect lady and her children, whom I love in the truth; and not I only, but also all they that have known the truth;
KJV

Now, elder, how come you are going and bringing up the rest of the scriptures about 'lady talkers' and such, expecially ones from the New Testament. Yer gonna mess up the Bishop's fancy tract if you aren't careful. :lol:sing

Michael Phelps 06-03-2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 139650)
i have said this before so some will think im repeating myself... hee hee..


my great grandmother was a pennycostal preacher.

if she had not preached. if she had not taught, I would not have the holy ghost today....


so I am FOR lady talkers!

except when they are talking too much and making my head spin.

Well, unfortunately, according to some on this forum, if you were saved under a woman preacher, or "lady talker", as our eloquent Bishop so denotes, you weren't really saved.

So, you better go back and re-receive the Holy Ghost after a "man talker" preaches, or else you're headed for hell, my friend!:lol

Steve Epley 06-03-2007 11:31 AM

:thumbsup:hanky:rooting:woohoo:happydance:dancing: amen:iagree:itsover:grumpy:shockamoo:bliss:hug3
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 138981)
Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com



WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAY

ABOUT

LADY TALKERS ,

LADY SPEAKERS ,

LADY PREACHERS

AND

LADY PASTORS ?


Before you read this,
another of our series of Bible Truths,
I ask of you to get your BIBLE, {King James Version},
Also
Have Some Words Of Prayer .

A Fire Of Enmity Can Be Kindled by simply stating Bible Truths about
just how far our present society, {including today’s Church World},
has now fallen by allowing WOMEN to fill places of authority over their
GOD Given Head
“ The MAN “ …

Enmity is kindled when you state a known fact :
“This custom is Directly In Violation To The WORD OF GOD “

Matthew 4:4 simply states
“Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth
out of the mouth of GOD”.

We All Know That
DISOBEDIENCE To GOD’S WORD
IS SIN …..

Now

Lets Take A Simple Look
At What The BIBLE SAYS
About

“ LADY TALKERS “ -
God has a place for women in His Church ,
and if we try to do it GOD’S WAY, the Church will be richly blessed.
No Church will be complete without ‘GOD Fearing Women Who Are
NOT Afraid To Yield To The Presence Of Almighty GOD.

In the beginning Woman Was Created To Be A Helper,
Not To Rule, Or Have The Authority Over The Man..
“ And the Lord GOD said it is not good that man should be alone,
I Will Make A Helpmeet For Him “{suitable for him}
{ * Genesis 2:18 }
“ I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception, in sorrow
thou shall bring forth children, and thy desire shall be to thy HUSBAND,
And He Shall Rule Over Thee “
{ * Genesis 3:16 }

Apostle Paul taught that a woman was to be in SUBJECTION.

“ Let the woman learn in silence, with all subjection,
But I Suffer NOT A Woman To Teach
Or Usurp Authority Over The Man,
but to learn in silence “.
{ * I Timothy 2:11 }

“ Let your women keep Silence in the Churches;
for it is NOT PERMITTED unto them to speak;
but they are Commanded To Be Under Obedience,
as under the law “
{ * I Corinthians 14:34 }

“ And If They Will Learn Anything
Let Them Ask Their Husbands At Home,
For It Is A SHAME For A Woman To “SPEAK” In The Church “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:35 }

“ If Any Man Think Himself To Be A Prophet Or Spiritual
Let Him ACKNOLEDGE That The Things I Write Unto You
ARE THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD “ !
{ * I Corinthians 14:37 }

A woman’s place is that of Obedience And Subjection
and instructions were clearly given in I Peter 3:17
“ For The Wives To Be In Subjection To Their Own Husbands “

“ But I would have you know that the head of every man is CHRIST,
the head of every woman is the Man, and the head of Christ is GOD “.
{ * I Corinthians 11:3 }

NOW
Let us look at some of the women recorded in the BIBLE.
Please do not fail to realize & recognize that there definitely
is a place for women in the Church as provided by GOD…
{ helper, helpmeet, worker, prayer warrior, example to the older
women, example to the younger women and to be an example to
the youth }
Not As Instructors of Men or Pastors.

We have selected six {6} examples from various parts of the Bible
to better explain our standard of Bible Truth.
We believe that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-



EXAMPLE # 2 “ D E B O R A H “
{ Read The 4th Chapter of Judges }

DEBORAH had a close relationship with GOD. The men of
that day, { as it is in our day }, were weak in spirit, weak
in zeal, having absolutely no courage.
They also shirked their responsibility by putting the load,
{ that they were supposed to be carrying }, on the women.
They came to this GOD Fearing Woman and asked for advice.

She never usurped authority over BARAK,
but just told him what GOD had revealed unto her. Barak was so
spineless, yellow livered, weak in the knees and scared.
He would not go into battle unless she was willing to go with him.
DEBORAH told BARAK that he would lose honor if she went into
the battle with him because the enemy would be delivered into the
hands of a Woman.
…..{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 3 “ H U L D A H “
{ Read The 34th Chapter of II Chronicles }

HULDAH prophesied,
but the fact remains that
the King Led The People To The House Of GOD….
… { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 4 “ A N N A “
{ Read The 2nd Chapter Of Luke }

ANNA was a righteous and GOD Fearing woman
who fasted, prayed, prophesied and gave testimony
as to the Messiahship Of JESUS …..
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 5 “ The Daughters Of Phillip “
{ Read The 21st Chapter Of Acts }

The “ DAUGHTERS OF PHILLIP “ went to Sameria and
‘ did Prophesy thus fulfilling the Prophesy Of JOEL -
“ That In The Last Days I Will Pour Out My Spirit Upon All Flesh,
And Your Sons And Daughters Will Prophesy . . . .
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }



EXAMPLE # 6 “ P H E B E “
{ Read The 16th Chapter Of Romans }

PHEBE was a Succourer of many. Just what does that word mean ?
According to Webster:
> to help, > to give aid, > to obtain relief for persons in need.
{ No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }





IN CONCLUSION

Let us review the BIBLICAL FACTS .
. .
{ A } The Head Of The Woman Is The Man –

{ B } Woman Is Not To Teach The Man –

{ C } Woman Is Not To Usurp Authority Over The Man –

If
We Believe PAUL
When He Stated The Following ;
“It Is A Shame For A Man To Have Long Hair”

Then We MUST ALSO BELIEVE HIM
When It Is Stated, More Than Twice,
For The Woman
' NOT TO SPEAK IN CHURCH ’


Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123
:grampa



WHAT SAY YE ?


berkeley 06-03-2007 01:05 PM

Woman... YOU were freed from the taskmaster of sin only to sit under another taskmaste... the male cheuvenist preacher!!! Your job is to get married, have a litter, cook and clean.... and after all that you better well have time to make peanut brittle and clean the church!!!!

Come out of bondage WOMAN!!!! THOU ART LOOSED!!! I set you free :::::::::::


:lol

Steve Epley 06-03-2007 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 139785)
Woman... YOU were freed from the taskmaster of sin only to sit under another taskmaste... the male cheuvenist preacher!!! Your job is to get married, have a litter, cook and clean.... and after all that you better well have time to make peanut brittle and clean the church!!!!

Come out of bondage WOMAN!!!! THOU ART LOOSED!!! I set you free :::::::::::


:lol

Paul was a male chauvenist preacher????????????????????????

He said:

"I suffer NOT a woman to teach NOR usurp authority of the man."

He said:

"I would that the younger womem marry and bear children and guide the house."

He said:
"For women to be chaste, keepers at home."

Paul hated women. Probably why he wasn't married.:bubble

Trouvere 06-03-2007 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 139785)
Woman... YOU were freed from the taskmaster of sin only to sit under another taskmaste... the male cheuvenist preacher!!! Your job is to get married, have a litter, cook and clean.... and after all that you better well have time to make peanut brittle and clean the church!!!!

Come out of bondage WOMAN!!!! THOU ART LOOSED!!! I set you free :::::::::::


:lol

Berk you are going to make someone a great husband.

My husband does the laundry.I do the cleaning and cooking.Together we
are a team.We didn't have a litter only three but we still like to make
peanut brittle and clean the church anyway.God gave me an Aquilla.

Thank you Jesus.

berkeley 06-03-2007 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 139808)
Paul was a male chauvenist preacher????????????????????????

He said:

"I suffer NOT a woman to teach NOR usurp authority of the man."

He said:

"I would that the younger womem marry and bear children and guide the house."

He said:
"For women to be chaste, keepers at home."

Paul hated women. Probably why he wasn't married.:bubble

Chase women bearing children. Explain that, please.:::::::::

Emma Bontrager 06-03-2007 03:16 PM

That's fer sher, thar Mr. Bishop!! Us wimmin have GOT to be kept in our place!!

Wimmin in the OT ONLY prophesied to men who were weak and spineless. Wimmin could ONLY speak for God to men under thsoe circumstances. Of course, we know we have NONE of them around today and of course, if any of them were, they would GLADLY submit to a woman. Men who are strong and manly throw their weight around and NEVER let a woman get the upper hand! Men who have a woman preacher and actually listen to anything she has to say are weak and spineless. Men who are strong rant and pound the pulpit and say "There will never be no bobbed harred woman preacher in MY pulpit!"

I love this kind of preaching!!

Emma Bontrager 06-03-2007 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 139785)
Woman... YOU were freed from the taskmaster of sin only to sit under another taskmaste... the male cheuvenist preacher!!! Your job is to get married, have a litter, cook and clean.... and after all that you better well have time to make peanut brittle and clean the church!!!!

Come out of bondage WOMAN!!!! THOU ART LOOSED!!! I set you free :::::::::::


:lol

A man after my own heart!!:heart:blush

berkeley 06-03-2007 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Emma Bontrager (Post 139887)
A man after my own heart!!:heart:blush

:bubble

mizpeh 06-03-2007 08:28 PM

Does the fact that we all receive the Spirit of God put us on equal footing in the body of Christ? The slave, the female, the male, the Greek, the Jew, we have all become one in Christ through baptism in his name and the infilling of his Spirit. To be 'in Christ' is to be in the body of Christ by virtue of the new birth. If the distinctions are lost because of this and we're all on equal footing in the kingdom of God, why would the gifts given to the members of the body by segregated according to gender?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Steve Epley 06-03-2007 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 140023)
Does the fact that we all receive the Spirit of God put us on equal footing in the body of Christ? The slave, the female, the male, the Greek, the Jew, we have all become one in Christ through baptism in his name and the infilling of his Spirit. To be 'in Christ' is to be in the body of Christ by virtue of the new birth. If the distinctions are lost because of this and we're all on equal footing in the kingdom of God, why would the gifts given to the members of the body by segregated according to gender?

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

According to this 'logic' then two HG filled men could marry.

Scott Hutchinson 06-03-2007 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 140027)
According to this 'logic' then two HG filled men could marry.

Not that notion is wrong as two boys kissing.

Newman 06-03-2007 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bishop1 (Post 138981)
[SIZE="4"]Tract / Sermon Re-Print # 123
{ Sermon preached in 1961 } by Bishop1

http.www.Acts238HolinessOrHell.com
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word
must be established and we will not preach nor permit anyone to be
in our pulpit if they cannot back it up by two or more scriptures.


EXAMPLE # 1 “ M I R I A M “
{ Read The 15th Chapter of Exodus }

Miriam led the women in singing, led the women out and played a tambourine –
. . . . { No Authority Over Man Is Recorded }-

Bishop J A Holland o Back To The Basics Series / sermon # 123
:grampa

Bishop- No doubt you were younger and not as wise (hard to imagine) when you wrote this the first time. Othewise you would most certainly realize that Miriam is a lousy example of a woman without authority.

Find out what a Prophet later in the OT had to say about her before you write her off as a musician catering to women.

Did you find it? :bubble

Time to revamp Sermon #123! :sing


mizpeh 06-03-2007 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 140027)
According to this 'logic' then two HG filled men could marry.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from what I wrote. :dunno

I think this scripture shows an equality within the BODY OF CHRIST.

Trouvere 06-03-2007 09:09 PM

Like it or not the word does say neither male nor female.Its the bible.Plain and simple.

Ronzo 06-03-2007 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mizpeh (Post 140036)
I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from what I wrote. :dunno

I think this scripture shows an equality within the BODY OF CHRIST.

Because it is in the best interest of his ignorant position of no female ministers to bring up such a strawman to defeat.

It's called deflection.


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