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Will the Apostolic Church continue to teach/preach against homosexuality?... even if it means going to jail?
I see it as only a matter of time, 2-10 years and it will be illegal to preach against the sin of homosexuality.
I pray I'm wrong.

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The Apostolic Church has and will continue to preach/teach the word of God and the Word of God is against homosexuality.

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Tim I do believe you are right.

But I know I and many others will continue to preach against it.

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There is coming a tidal wave of trouble against the Church concerning this subject. I agree homosexuality is wrong and should be strongly preached against. I fear though that when faced with going to jail, many may falter.
People are equating being gay with the civil rights movement. Things are going to get a lot worse.

Can God bless America? with abortion and homosexuality being so accepted?

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I wouldn't attend a church that didn't preach against sin.

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me neither.

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I am not even Apostolic and nor would I.

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I believe it will be worse than that. Ministers won't only be forbidden to speak out against it, they will be required to promote it. The gay agenda has always had an "in your face!" attitude to it. This doesn't speak to ALL individual gays but it does speak to the movement as a whole.

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The reality is that we wouldn't have come this far if the Church didn't have the same statistics on divorce, etc., as the secular world.

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Right. First it will be illegal to preach "conversion therapy" then, requirements to show your openness by installing gay leaders.

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I suppose time will tell.

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I agree. Kids will be trained to participate in schools. The DOJ said a few weeks ago it is NOT ENOUGH for federal employees to be silent about it. Its coming that EVERYONE will have to confess they like it.

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Many Churches and members will not be able to stand. People can hardly stand even now. When presented with prison many will become silent. When presented with death many will confess its everyones choice.

On the other hand some will be purged, purified, and refined through the persecution that's heading this way.

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Ouch.

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Uh, I've read your stream; how do you know you are not Apostolic?

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and they could not buy or sell, them that had no mark...

and

the prudent see evil coming, and hide themselves?

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:thumbsup

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For the record, I believe prayer, and fasting can change any situation.

The gates of hell shall not prevail against the Church of the living God!

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We left 7 ago years and are Assembly of God. I can no longer in good faith accept Acts 2:38 as described in the doctrine of most Oneness churches as the plan of Salvation. For that reason I don't consider myself Apostolic.

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we will always have freedom of speech,despite obams efforts

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I trust and hope your right. I'm afraid they may consider condemning homosexuality may be considered a hate crime.

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I imagine what will happen is that churches will be faced with loss of thier 501c3 status if they continue on using what will be labeled "hate speech" in preacing against homosexulaity.

So then we will see what is REALLY most important to many churches and Pastors: The money and taxes or preaching the book against sin.

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I believe we should continue teaching that homosexuality is a sexual sin. However, the hate and rancor should end. We should treat a homosexual like any other lost soul. And we should treat those struggling with this sin as we do couples who are unmarried, those who are remarried unlawfully, and adulterers.

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Well said Aquila. Hate sin... But love the sinner. Whether a sexual sin or not... we all have sinned and come short of the Glory of God and needed someone to love us but hate our sin enough to help us find forgiveness through the blood of Jesus Christ. This is what I preach to the small Home Missions church that God has lead me to Pastor.

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The way I see it... if sinners can't depend on Christians to be civil citizens who truly care about them and their struggles... who can they trust?

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Sadly, Christians seem to sometimes have so much trouble being "Civil" to one another that caring about the lost and their struggles gets pushed too far down the "prioity ladder".

My wife and I are learning in the small church that we Pastor that the best way to reach the lost is to show them so much love that they come back to church because they feel OUR love for them. I personally believe that it is nearly impossible to Disciple folks (for Christ) without first convincing them, through our actions, that we truly love and care about them.

For God so loved the World that He GAVE... How much of ourselves are we willing to give to show that we love the lost and hurting? Just askin'....

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One final thought... sometimes "giving" goes beyond our finances. What if God is asking us to "Give" a bit when it comes to the attitude that we show to those whom we (notice that I said "we") consider the rankest of sinners? God help us to love like Jesus loved. It is the only way that we are going to make an impact for His Kingdom on this earth.

Thanks for letting me air this opinion.

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Great points.....you have it right.

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When will mankind simply learn to live in loving harmony?

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I often wonder that myself.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06...e/hilltop7.jpg

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Well played Randy. You never disappoint. Let's give the world a coke for unity. LOL.

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I don't see that happening on this side of glory.

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OK, I agree with Aquilla about being nice while still standing against sin.

He and I have agreed early on about marriage being removed from debate by getting it out of the law.

However, I am starting to see the gay movement as a bunch of bullies. I dont do weill with bullies. I generally go up to them and punch them in the nose. my eyes get wobbly and I get irrational and I tend to get nasty and fight dirty and I am seriously starting to feel that this is the ONLY way to deal with this.

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:thumbsup

we cannot be sensitive towards this perversion.

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When dealing with the individual homsexual, love and sensitivity is th ebest way to deal with it.

When dealing with a large group of concentrated homosexual perversion...God turned it into a smoking crater in the ground.

Why do we profess to know better than God when it comes with dealing with the homosexual movement?

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Time has already told.
just think for a moment, do you think that some of the things that are tolerated today would have been tolerated 50 years ago?

the decline is slow but unstoppable.

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The thing is that God promised to spare Sodom and Gomorrah (Twin cities) if he found 10 righteous people in it. It was only when Lot left (1 Family) that God destroyed the place.

God would have to make a smoking crater the size of America to get rid of this national sin. Are there not at least 10 righteous people in America?

God is patient and he gives people the right amount of time to repent, and sometimes even a little more, but eventually he will bring judgment.

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Point was, many folks think we should do nothign but hug and sing songs with Homsexuality rather than stand opposed ot it. Just be libertarian about it. Let them be. Let them get all the rights they want. Let them just push their sickening perversion in our faces and we will just smile and love them.

On the individual level sure we should be willing to talk and work with them to bring them to repentance if possible. However, when dealing with them as a large group, or in general, God prescribed a pretty blunt way of dealing with it and it wasn't kind.

Im not so sure society wouldn't be better off if as a nation we didn't have the spine to do what Russia is doing and not only outlaw the propaganda but punish the activity. We punish child molestors and IMO rampant homsexuality is just as destructive and hurtful to America as that crime is.

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In what paranoid conspiracy theory fantasy land do people live in that believe we in the USA will be arrested for preaching against homosexuality?

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:thumbsup:thumbsup