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A resolution that would effectively remove the prohibition of television in the minister's home is on the docket for the 2013 G.C.

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And all the ministers with TV in their homes will be voting against it. LOL

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Incorrect the TV is not in their homes, it is in their garages, and they probably had it set up so nice that they not want to go to the trouble of moving the whole set up indoors.

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Yeah, that too.

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I am one that does not have TV and never will. I am against the removal of the ban.

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wont happen

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Do you attend a UPC?

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Did they remove the facial hair restriction yet?

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Wasnt aware of a restriction on facial hair. Looks like I may need to shave up and the ultra cons need to go to work on those eye brows.

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It will. There is no doubt. It came from the General Board.

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The ban should removed. Laws don't change hearts. These ministers should have enough good sense to get rid of their TV's without some stupid legalism. David Wilkerson wasn't even apostolic and he cried out against TV regularly.

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sorry i dont beleieve it will

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Agreed.


We chose to pitch ours out about 13 years ago, and haven't missed it yet. Each of us should be able to make the choice from personal conviction.

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Resolution #2
Whereas, Our elders took an important, principled, and correct stand against the evils of television in 1954 when they adopted the fourth paragraph on holiness in our Articles of Faith in response to the invention of television and other changes in society; and
Whereas, The need to enunciate the principles upon which our elders acted and apply them in light of technological changes and more complex choices today remains; and
Whereas, Traditional television is now merging with other technologies that we have accepted, such as computers, online media, satellite and cable deliveries, media players, smart phones, tablets, and game consoles; and
Whereas, Some forms of video technology are obsolete but new forms have been invented and are continuing to be invented; and
Whereas, We must continue to uphold our position on holiness of life and holiness in the use of all communications technology; and
Whereas, In view of the symbolic nature of media for our movement, we must be careful not to signal any compromise of belief or lifestyle; therefore
Resolved, That Article VII, Section 7, Paragraphs 31 and 32 be replaced with the following as Paragraph 31, and all following paragraphs be renumbered appropriately:
31. No minister having a television in his or her home shall be permitted to hold license or credentials with the United Pentecostal Church International. This does not preclude the option to use television for advertising.
32. The use of video must strictly be limited to those areas in which motion picture cameras and projectors are traditionally permitted to be used: namely, in taking of pictures of families, friends, and church activities and the viewing of educational, religious, and inspirational films that are consistent with wholesome Christian principles. Furthermore, we strongly oppose the viewing of all worldly motion pictures and video films that are shown commercially in theatres and on television for entertainment purposes. All video receivers must be altered so that they are not able to receive television channels.
31. The use of all media technology must strictly be limited to educational, religious, inspirational, and family content that is consistent with wholesome Christian principles. No minister shall use television or other media technology for the purpose of viewing worldly, carnal and unwholesome media; endeavouring to maintain a Godly atmosphere and influence in their lives.
Submitted by the General Board

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I don't have a television... That decision is not for religious reasons it is because I don't have time to watch it.

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We're about to start watching Dark Shadows soon. My first DVD from our renewed Netflix subscription.

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I would think it would have to pass. You can't even imagine how many men I know who are UPCI pastors who have televisions in their homes already. At some point, the nonsense has to stop. People are going to have the things anyway. You might as well not fight it. This is one of those areas where I feel strongly that God will guide you INDIVIDUALLY. Some may never have a TV. Others may not have a problem having one in their home at all. Use wisdom and it's not a bad thing in itself.

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Now, what does that mean? Do they mean just the equipment or the ability to watch cable t.v? some have the t.v to watch DVDs....would this apply to them?

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Like I stated before, I HOPE this passes! If people do not want a TV in their home, I do not think anyone is holding a gun to their head...so WHY should THEY think it is OK for people who do not have a problem with TV to have one? WHY should they hold others in the organization hostage to THEIR beliefs?

It also disturbs me that so many who do not own a TV watch all kind of movies on netflix...but HEY that's OK because it is not TV? No to me they are hypocrites! The worst kind.

Then you have some who watch TV on their I pad or iphone....but again...it is OK...because they do not really OWN a TV....but the show they watch is the exact same one they show on a TV!

This kind of legalisim is really really past it's time. I think this should be taken out and if people are going to leave the organization over something that stupid...LET THEM! Those kind of people probably would not be happy in the organization anyway...it would still be "too loose" for them, so let them leave and find someplace else they can act superior!

It is time that the UPCI gets to a place of letting people decide for themselves how they live for God. Not try to dictate it by some manual!

Hopefully COMMON SENSE will prevail on this issue this time around!

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Because...
Because the primary concept of a religious organization is that it is organized around a set of beliefs.

By similar token, no one is holding a gun to anyone's head to remain within an organization they fundamentally disagree with.

Yes, this issue is obviously no longer fundamental enough to warrant all the fuss. Some ships are able to turn quickly, some can only turn slowly, yet others can even tack upwind. And some :lol begin a turn, lose part of the starboard bow (right side) from battery explosion, limp to harbor, attempt repairs, and return a bit more fleet-footed.

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Okay... is the the real resolution that will be before the 2013 GC for a vote? If so, I am confused. (Of course, after what I've been through recently, confusion is a natural state for me, :nod)

But I'm reading this as still no TV in ministers' homes. What am I missing?

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This is not really good, although I do not believe in their silly rule of not TV, it is not going to be good for the saints in general.

my reasoning is this,
When a person is deprived of something, they do not know what they are missing, once the TV restriction is lifted, some saints who have been deprived of TV will go on binging on the new experience, they will not know how to regulate themselves for they have been treated like children, not as adults capable of making their own decisions.
Imagine a starving person, who suddenly is confronted with a banquet, do you think that person will have any restrain?

I really pity the poor saints who have never been thought the ability to control what they do.

I have a TV and when I watch it, it is mostly religious programs, history channel, discovery channel and other educational stuff, seldom do I watch any of the garbage from Hollywood for I recognized it for what it is, I know good food from bad food, I know good shows from bad shows. The poor upci saints do not know the difference between a show that is acceptable and one full of filth.

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You have to read between the lines.

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Resolved, That Article VII, Section 7, Paragraphs 31 and 32 be replaced with the following as Paragraph 31, and all following paragraphs be renumbered appropriately:

31. No minister having a television in his or her home shall be permitted to hold license or credentials with the United Pentecostal Church International. This does not preclude the option to use television for advertising.
32. The use of video must strictly be limited to those areas in which motion picture cameras and projectors are traditionally permitted to be used: namely, in taking of pictures of families, friends, and church activities and the viewing of educational, religious, and inspirational films that are consistent with wholesome Christian principles. Furthermore, we strongly oppose the viewing of all worldly motion pictures and video films that are shown commercially in theatres and on television for entertainment purposes. All video receivers must be altered so that they are not able to receive television channels.

31. The use of all media technology must strictly be limited to educational, religious, inspirational, and family content that is consistent with wholesome Christian principles. No minister shall use television or other media technology for the purpose of viewing worldly, carnal and unwholesome media; endeavouring to maintain a Godly atmosphere and influence in their lives.

Submitted by the General Board

The italicized portion is struck through and to be replaced by the bold.

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Good point. It's about time they learned, don't you think?

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You're welcome Sweety.

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Today TV is an outdated technology.

TV will be absorbed into the Internet, actually it is already being merged into the Internet.
The Internet is not going away, and the whole knowledge of the world is moving into the Internet, unless you want your people to be some ignorant hillbillies, you must accept the Internet in your lives and that means the TV content that is already inside.

the solution is to learn to create an apostolic zone [aka Portal] on the internet, which will be small at the beginning and then expand to what is appropriate to contain only wholesome information and content, the only thing that keeps this thing from happening is the lack of technical expertise in the Apostolic movement and the aversion to engage in the task of rating content.

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A lot of smack is talked about pastors who preach against TV and then have them in their homes, but I really don't know many pastors like that. The ones who preach against it, don't have it. In my observation, the ones who have it are usually the ones who are silent on the matter.

Personally, I believe if you sign the agreement as a pastor and you have TV in your home, that's wrong. However, I don't think that's really a common problem. I do foresee a lot of pastors getting TV IF the resolution is passed, because they don't see anything wrong with it--they were just abiding by the UPCI rules. There's nothing hypocritical about that.

Yep...we got rid of our expensive satellite TV for the same reason. It was just throwing money away. If we do watch TV, it's well after airtime when we finally find time to sit down together for that purpose--and Jeff makes everyone popcorn. :D

We have Netflix ($7.99), Hulu ($7.99) and Amazon prime ($79/year). That's all the media we need.

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The second 31 resolution replaces the first 31 and 32 you read in that article.

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Someday we will laugh about there being a ban on TV at one time...similar to the ban there used to be on radio.

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Sometimes the primary reason to organize is not necessarily to have ALL doctrinal agreement but main doctrinal agreements, however the reason to organize isn't so we can all agree on doctrine but so we can better organize spreading that doctrine

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This isn't "for the saints"...it's a licensing issue.

There are already a huge number of "saints" that already have TVs or watch movies via netflix and or go to the movies anyways and those that don't but will if this is passed must not have believed it was necessary to begin with

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No you are wrong. The PRIMARY concept for the oprganization (Any religious organization) is evangilisim! It allows churches to come together to evagelize and the cost is not as much as it would be for a single church.

To follow the rules as they are laid out, you HAVE to agree to the rules of the organization if you are a minister and want to join. They prohibit a minister from owning a television...which is stupid. Most own one already. And let's turn that around on you...no one is forcing the people that do not agree with owning TV's to stay in the organization either! I hope they leave and the majority can make other rules and get rid of these idiotic rules.

Don't know what you are posting about there, but yes, it takes time (if that is what you are referring to) to make changes in an organization...but to me...these changes are long overdue.

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we were UPCI for 25 yrs. we got so sick of the politics and puffed up attitude of so many sad to say including Pastors. We still have many friends in the UPCI but we choose to just stay Apostolic , we have found so many humble loving Pastors and families and their church members. My husband Rev. James Stone Sr. has recently started the Apostolic Oasis Ministries International. It is time for the true Apostolics to take a true stand on holiness and modesty and true conviction given by God. We must not compromise to the world around us but rather stand in Righteousness to a lost world. So many in the UPCI are giving in to worldly ways. Let Us Stand , Let Us Keep this Old Time Religion !!

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The wording of the resolution is humorous.

1. The elders were right to stand against TV.
2. TV content is delivered through other means that we all access.
3. Most of our preachers are liars, currently, and have TVs as well as other delivery modules.
4. Therefore, even though the elders were right we really, really, really want to watch all of the things we rail against from our pulpits.
5. Change the freakin' rules already. We want some TV!

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1. The elders were wrong, they should have stood up against immorality and perversion in any form, whether it was on TV, Radio, Magazines or whatever other means of communication, by fighting against immorality in any form they would not be in the pickle they are currently in.

3. I do not think most preachers are liars, some of them actually did keep the rules. however others were smarter and found ways to bypass the rules using a technicality. finding a loophole does not make a person a liar.

4. Why do people want to watch filth? not only that but what about the Radio, there is filth also on the Radio, It TV was banned why did Radio and the Magazines got a free pass?

5. Actually not all the preachers and people want TV.

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Well, there is nothing hardcore UPC about me, but in defense of many good preachers I know... I don't know of any one preacher who has TV programming in their home. (I'm talking traditional TV) not Internet etc.

Our church of 400 probably 50% do have TV. Me? No real interest in it. I would much prefer a good computer connection for ALL reasons.

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My one concern is that the statement is a wee bit to restrictive for someone who does choose to watch a show like Andy Griffith reruns... I guess our definition of "educational" just needs to be stretched a bit!?! :)

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And this is "progress?"