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ThePastorsCoach 06-03-2007 11:14 PM

Pastor Jentezen Franklin now Senior Pastor in California
 
News from Free Chapel and Pastor Jentezen Franklin in Gainesville, GA.

Pastor Franklin announced that he was assuming the pastorate of a church (Jamboree Worship Center Church of God) in Irvine, California and was going to pastor both churches. He said several staff members from FREE CHAPEL - Gainesville will move to California and take care of the church and do the Sunday morning services. JF will preach at in Gainesville at 9 & 11 AM and leave on his jet at 3:00 PM and have Sunday night Service at 6:00 PM at the new FREE CHAPLE OC (Orange County) and possibly Tuesday nights and back to Gainesville for Wednesday night service.

He said he is not in anyway going to move to CA - but he feels this is his destiny and he will fulfil it!

He said - All the bills are paid here and this is NO CHALLENGE at all for us so - I need a challenge. He said - I am CRAZY and I need a Challenge and this is it. He will be on TBN this Tuesday night and make the national announcement then.

He is also adding 2000 new seats to the 3700 seat sanctuary and new offices and a 500 seat Youth auditorium at a cost of $30 million.

The people gladly recieved his word.

CC1 06-03-2007 11:16 PM

I have heard so much about him but never seen him. I understand he has a TV program and I would assume it is on TBN. Can you tell me when it airs? It is just him speaking or do they show music also? What is their music like?

ThePastorsCoach 06-03-2007 11:19 PM

on TBN - 9 AM Sunday morning and 9 PM Monday nights - EST

Lost 06-03-2007 11:20 PM

He has ties to Brownsville AOG, doesn't he?

ChicagoPastor 06-03-2007 11:26 PM

He is Church of God...I don't think he's tied to Brownsville at all.

ThePastorsCoach 06-03-2007 11:31 PM

Free Chapel
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor (Post 140189)
He is Church of God...I don't think he's tied to Brownsville at all.

JF was raised COG and his father was COG - His whole family was COG and he was the TOP COG evangelist when he took this small Congregational Holiness Church in Gainesville, GA after the death of their pastor. He surrendered his COG licence and is credentiled with the CH. Free Chapel is an over 50 year old CH Congregaton - it is NOT COG and is NOT independent.

The Church - Free Chapel Worship Center is IN a small pentecostal denomination - The Congregational Holiness Church. FCWC was founded as a CH church and will always be a CH church. http://www.chchurch.com/

This is from the Free Chapel web site:

This is a brief history of Free Chapel Worship Center.

our history

1953 J.C. (Jake) Norris began a new work in the Lord. In early July he and 10 - 15 other believers rented space in a skating rink on Atlanta Highway in Gainesville, Georgia. The church remained at this location for approximately two years.

1955 With a membership of approximately 35, a decision was made to build a church building. With mostly volunteers, comprised of members and non-members, a building was erected on Keith Circle in Gainesville. The church remained at this location for approximately 15 years.

During this period, there were several pastors: Louis Bragg, Walter Smith, Ben Tapp, and Blanche Lancaster, who served in the interim until Roy Wellborn was chosen as pastor.

1970 On Mother's Day, the first service was held in a new facility built on Brown's Bridge Road in Gainesville. The church grew to a membership of approximately 250 and remained in this location for approximately 20 years.

1989 Jentezen Franklin was selected senior pastor to succeed Pastor Wellborn.

1992 The church moved to McEver Road in Gainesville. Here the congregation has grown from 300 to over 5,000.

1996 Property was purchased across McEver Road for expansion.

1999 154 acres was purchased on McEver road for expansion.

2002 Ground Breaking Ceremony at the new property.

2004 (September) - Moved in to new worship facility debt free - 3700 seats.

deacon blues 06-04-2007 02:05 AM

I recently saw him teaching on TBN and he was using a tape measure and talking about putting limits on God. I started laughing b/c he must have bought some BOTT DVDs and saw Jeff Arnold's message from several years ago! BTW I like JF---he seems to be the real deal. If you close your eyes and listen to him speak he sounds just like AM.

Neck 06-04-2007 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 140169)
News from Free Chapel and Pastor Jentezen Franklin in Gainesville, GA.

Pastor Franklin announced that he was assuming the pastorate of a church (Jamboree Worship Center Church of God) in Irvine, California and was going to pastor both churches. He said several staff members from FREE CHAPEL - Gainesville will move to California and take care of the church and do the Sunday morning services. JF will preach at in Gainesville at 9 & 11 AM and leave on his jet at 3:00 PM and have Sunday night Service at 6:00 PM at the new FREE CHAPLE OC (Orange County) and possibly Tuesday nights and back to Gainesville for Wednesday night service.

He said he is not in anyway going to move to CA - but he feels this is his destiny and he will fulfil it!

He said - All the bills are paid here and this is NO CHALLENGE at all for us so - I need a challenge. He said - I am CRAZY and I need a Challenge and this is it. He will be on TBN this Tuesday night and make the national announcement then.

He is also adding 2000 new seats to the 3700 seat sanctuary and new offices and a 500 seat Youth auditorium at a cost of $30 million.

The people gladly recieved his word.

I personally am not excited about his preaching... That is just my personal thought.

He is a lot of hype...

Coonskinner 06-04-2007 08:10 AM

I've never heard him.

Ronzo 06-04-2007 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deacon blues (Post 140433)
I recently saw him teaching on TBN and he was using a tape measure and talking about putting limits on God. I started laughing b/c he must have bought some BOTT DVDs and saw Jeff Arnold's message from several years ago! BTW I like JF---he seems to be the real deal. If you close your eyes and listen to him speak he sounds just like AM.

That JA mesage was good. I have it at home.

Ronzo 06-04-2007 08:24 AM

BTW... pastoring TWO churches on two different sides of the country?

C'mon....

drummerboy_dave 06-04-2007 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronzo (Post 140492)
BTW... pastoring TWO churches on two different sides of the country?

C'mon....

You thinkin' it's a bad idea, Ronzo?

tamor 06-04-2007 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neckstadt (Post 140483)
I personally am not excited about his preaching... That is just my personal thought.

He is a lot of hype...

I like listening to him. Just my personal thought. ;)

CC1 06-04-2007 08:37 AM

I have heard of spreading oneself thin but this is really thin!

Not to mention the expense of Jet fuel, pilots, etc to fly back and forth from the West coast 52 weeks per year.

I have heard a lot of good things about this guy but when I hear stories like this it makes me think someone is too caught up in thinking they are the only one God can use,etc.

I have decided it is almost impossible for these really successful ministries to avoid problems with ego.

Surely out of 300 million people in America there is a good pastor who can devote 100% of his time to that church in California and not spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in jet fuel.

Ronzo 06-04-2007 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drummerboy_dave (Post 140498)
You thinkin' it's a bad idea, Ronzo?

Yep

Don't see how you can focus on the needs of each church.

Ronzo 06-04-2007 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 140500)
I have heard of spreading oneself thin but this is really thin!

Not to mention the expense of Jet fuel, pilots, etc to fly back and forth from the West coast 52 weeks per year.

I have heard a lot of good things about this guy but when I hear stories like this it makes me think someone is too caught up in thinking they are the only one God can use,etc.

I have decided it is almost impossible for these really successful ministries to avoid problems with ego.

Surely out of 300 million people in America there is a good pastor who can devote 100% of his time to that church in California and not spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in jet fuel.

Seriously, post of the hour on this one.

seguidordejesus 06-04-2007 08:41 AM

Is this guy married? What does his wife think of him spending that much time away from her?

Lost 06-04-2007 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamor (Post 140499)
I like listening to him. Just my personal thought. ;)

Have you ever heard Michael Rowan preach?

tamor 06-04-2007 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 140500)
I have heard of spreading oneself thin but this is really thin!

Not to mention the expense of Jet fuel, pilots, etc to fly back and forth from the West coast 52 weeks per year.

I have heard a lot of good things about this guy but when I hear stories like this it makes me think someone is too caught up in thinking they are the only one God can use,etc.

I have decided it is almost impossible for these really successful ministries to avoid problems with ego.

Surely out of 300 million people in America there is a good pastor who can devote 100% of his time to that church in California and not spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in jet fuel.

Very good thoughts, CC!!

tamor 06-04-2007 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost (Post 140505)
Have you ever heard Michael Rowan preach?

Never heard OF him. So no. Who is he and where does he preach?

Steve Epley 06-04-2007 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 140500)
I have heard of spreading oneself thin but this is really thin!

Not to mention the expense of Jet fuel, pilots, etc to fly back and forth from the West coast 52 weeks per year.

I have heard a lot of good things about this guy but when I hear stories like this it makes me think someone is too caught up in thinking they are the only one God can use,etc.

I have decided it is almost impossible for these really successful ministries to avoid problems with ego.

Surely out of 300 million people in America there is a good pastor who can devote 100% of his time to that church in California and not spend hundreds of thousands of dollars in jet fuel.

I do not know the man and have heard very little about him so I have no personal opinion. But this idea is a recipie for disaster in his home and honestly his church. At the end neither church has a pastor. My thoughts.

tamor 06-04-2007 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 140514)
I do not know the man and have heard very little about him so I have no personal opinion. But this idea is a recipie for disaster in his home and honestly his church. At the end neither church has a pastor. My thoughts.

I agree. It can be done successfully if it's only temporary. But a pator cannot give 100% to two houses. Eventually a choice has to be made because it's like having a wife and a girlfriend at the same time. They both get jealous and a choice has to be made.

Monkeyman 06-04-2007 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamor (Post 140521)
I agree. It can be done successfully if it's only temporary. But a pator cannot give 100% to two houses. Eventually a choice has to be made because it's like having a wife and a girlfriend at the same time. They both get jealous and a choice has to be made.

But the house sho would be clean.......muhahahahaha! JUST KIDDING TO MY LURKING WIFE!!!!!!!

tamor 06-04-2007 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monkeyman (Post 140528)
But the house sho would be clean.......muhahahahaha! JUST KIDDING TO MY LURKING WIFE!!!!!!!

Not nice to your lurking wife.....:thwak

Digging4Truth 06-04-2007 09:36 AM

I did a Google Video search for Jentezen Franklin and only 2 videos come up. That is amazing. And both of those videos are advertisements of something he was going to speak at.

So I went to his website where they have 24/7 streaming video. But I can't see it unless I sign up for a Faith Pass.

This guy is starting to remind me of Clint Brown. He seems to have pretty tight controls on his product. If he is on TBN regularly etc and is so good one would think that SOMEBODY would have posted a video of one of his services.

South of I 90 06-04-2007 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 140550)
I did a Google Video search for Jentezen Franklin and only 2 videos come up. That is amazing. And both of those videos are advertisements of something he was going to speak at.

So I went to his website where they have 24/7 streaming video. But I can't see it unless I sign up for a Faith Pass.

This guy is starting to remind me of Clint Brown. He seems to have pretty tight controls on his product. If he is on TBN regularly etc and is so good one would think that SOMEBODY would have posted a video of one of his services.

How can you say this!

About the only thing they have in common is breathing through their nose and mouth!!

ThePastorsCoach 06-04-2007 10:40 AM

Jentezen Franklin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth (Post 140550)
I did a Google Video search for Jentezen Franklin and only 2 videos come up. That is amazing. And both of those videos are advertisements of something he was going to speak at.

So I went to his website where they have 24/7 streaming video. But I can't see it unless I sign up for a Faith Pass.

This guy is starting to remind me of Clint Brown. He seems to have pretty tight controls on his product. If he is on TBN regularly etc and is so good one would think that SOMEBODY would have posted a video of one of his services.

I can assure you that Jentezen Franklin is the real deal. He pastors Free Chapel Worship Center in Gainesville, Georgia and has well over 8,000 come through the doors every Sunday.

He is also married and has 5 children. He has a jet that will get him from Gainesville to Orange County, CA - he says in 3 hours. So he will leave at 3 PM EST and get there at 3 PM and preach at 6 PM on Sunday nights in CA.
The church he is taking in California seats over 1000 and is appraised at $50 M and owes 5.5 M and has less that 200 people there.

He has the same style as Anthony Mangun and is a great man. The Tenney's were just there - preaching on Pentecost Sunday and many Hundreds were filled with the Holy Ghost. Free Chapel LOVES Bishop & Sister Tenney.

JF has books, tapes, videos, CDs, DVD's and I have no clue why you cannot find them. He is the most popular speaker on TBN at this time and is in demand around the world and speaks almost every night of the week to crowds of thousands.

Sacerdotal 06-04-2007 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by South of I 90 (Post 140609)
How can you say this!

About the only thing they have in common is breathing through their nose and mouth!!

Clint Brown is a great man of God isn't he? He's talented and that's all it takes for some here to claim he is anointed. Casting down doctrine for dollars also makes him cutting edge.

:groan

Sacerdotal 06-04-2007 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 140650)
He is the most popular speaker on TBN at this time and is in demand around the world and speaks almost every night of the week to crowds of thousands.

He beats Jakes and Parsley?

Digging4Truth 06-04-2007 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 140650)
JF has books, tapes, videos, CDs, DVD's and I have no clue why you cannot find them. He is the most popular speaker on TBN at this time and is in demand around the world and speaks almost every night of the week to crowds of thousands.


I can find them... I can find them all day long.

I just can't find them without a credit card number or other such payment method.

I'm not saying that I have made a conclusion about him. I am just saying that it appears that he has a good grip on his product and it doesn't get out there on the open internet.

ThePastorsCoach 06-04-2007 11:04 AM

Jentezen Franklin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal (Post 140653)
He beats Jakes and Parsley?

Like I said - Jentezen is the most popular speaker on TBN at this time. His program is rated the number one program on TBN.

He has a new book being released tomorrow and it will make him millions. His staff is very protective of him and yes - he does keep the products close to him as not to lose revenue. He is a very smart businessman!
His wife (looks like a fashion model) is also a building contractor and builds million dollar homes around the lake in Gainesville. They are very secure financially and live very well.

He is also a giver. They have their own missionaries and missions programs and give millions every year to missions. I have seen him give checks of $50,000 to missionaries. He is a blessed man and will make tremendous sacrifices to pastor both churches. We love him and appreciate him very much.

South of I 90 06-04-2007 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 140650)
I can assure you that Jentezen Franklin is the real deal. He pastors Free Chapel Worship Center in Gainesville, Georgia and has well over 8,000 come through the doors every Sunday.

He is also married and has 5 children. He has a jet that will get him from Gainesville to Orange County, CA - he says in 3 hours. So he will leave at 3 PM EST and get there at 3 PM and preach at 6 PM on Sunday nights in CA.
The church he is taking in California seats over 1000 and is appraised at $50 M and owes 5.5 M and has less that 200 people there.

He has the same style as Anthony Mangun and is a great man. The Tenney's were just there - preaching on Pentecost Sunday and many Hundreds were filled with the Holy Ghost. Free Chapel LOVES Bishop & Sister Tenney.

JF has books, tapes, videos, CDs, DVD's and I have no clue why you cannot find them. He is the most popular speaker on TBN at this time and is in demand around the world and speaks almost every night of the week to crowds of thousands.

Thank you!! :thumbsup

berkeley 06-04-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tamor (Post 140521)
I agree. It can be done successfully if it's only temporary. But a pator cannot give 100% to two houses. Eventually a choice has to be made because it's like having a wife and a girlfriend at the same time. They both get jealous and a choice has to be made.

:evilglee

CC1 06-04-2007 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 140514)
I do not know the man and have heard very little about him so I have no personal opinion. But this idea is a recipie for disaster in his home and honestly his church. At the end neither church has a pastor. My thoughts.

I agree.

CC1 06-04-2007 11:46 AM

AtlantaBishop,

I am not saying that JF is not the real deal. What I am saying is that there is a pattern over the last 20 years or so in America involving these mega ministries.

Extremely devoted and talented people experience mega success and it is hard to keep in context.

Pretty soon the ministry is treated as a Corporation and justifications are made for anything that is desired to happen.

I remember when Jim Bakker and other major TV ministers justified their enormous salaries and perks by hiring corporate consultants to rubber stamp it by saying it was comparable to what a CEO would be compensated in the Corporate world if he ran a company bringing in the same tens or hundreds of millions of dollars annually.

I am not one of those folks who thinks a pastor should not have a decent living but I am just saying that this level of success and adoration that goes with it is corruptive within itself and very few men or women can handle it.

CC1 06-04-2007 12:08 PM

If I remember correctly most private jets run about $4000 per hour to operate and probably more now with fuel so expensive.

If it is three hours there and three hours back that is six hours per round trip or $24,000 per week. If JF takes two weeks off per year for vacation then 50 times he will be spending $24,000 just to pastor two churches on two opposite ends of the country. If my TN math is correct that is $1.2 million dollars that could have been spent much better in my humble opinon.

How about a million dollars to mentor young preachers so there will be plenty in the future and one won't have to spend a million dollars a year flying back and forth across the country to pastor two churches!

Steve Epley 06-04-2007 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 140747)
If I remember correctly most private jets run about $4000 per hour to operate and probably more now with fuel so expensive.

If it is three hours there and three hours back that is six hours per round trip or $24,000 per week. If JF takes two weeks off per year for vacation then 50 times he will be spending $24,000 just to pastor two churches on two opposite ends of the country. If my TN math is correct that is $1.2 million dollars that could have been spent much better in my humble opinon.

How about a million dollars to mentor young preachers so there will be plenty in the future and one won't have to spend a million dollars a year flying back and forth across the country to pastor two churches!

The math is simple he is going to make millions from out there in California. So the measly 1.2 million to go back and forth is chump change.

Jack Shephard 06-04-2007 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop (Post 140650)
He has the same style as Anthony Mangun and is a great man. The Tenney's were just there - preaching on Pentecost Sunday and many Hundreds were filled with the Holy Ghost. Free Chapel LOVES Bishop & Sister Tenney.

You got that right, ABishop. He is very similar to AM. Infact, if anyone is interested you can go on the StreamingFaith site or JentesenFranklin.org and see some messages that he have take the titles from AM and TFT.

One Sunday afternoon I was watching JF on TBN or one of the other channels and he told that how he sits on the board for Tommy Tenney's ministry. At one of the board meetings Tommy took him to the POA and JF met Sis. Vesta and Tommy asked JF if he minded if VM prayed for him. JF said he did not mind and VM prayed and JF said he has never felt such a power on a women of God. That she is such a praying women and she was plain awesome. He said the HG hit him so hard that he had a hardtime regaining composure. This was all in the parking lot after VM time during the 24 hr prayer chain.

preach59 06-04-2007 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK (Post 140831)
You got that right, ABishop. He is very similar to AM. Infact, if anyone is interested you can go on the StreamingFaith site or JentesenFranklin.org and see some messages that he have take the titles from AM and TFT.

One Sunday afternoon I was watching JF on TBN or one of the other channels and he told that how he sits on the board for Tommy Tenney's ministry. At one of the board meetings Tommy took him to the POA and JF met Sis. Vesta and Tommy asked JF if he minded if VM prayed for him. JF said he did not mind and VM prayed and JF said he has never felt such a power on a women of God. That she is such a praying women and she was plain awesome. He said the HG hit him so hard that he had a hardtime regaining composure. This was all in the parking lot after VM time during the 24 hr prayer chain.

He's a good preacher and the faith pass on Streaming Faith is free. It doesn't cost to go there.

chaotic_resolve 06-04-2007 02:21 PM

I just bought Jentezen Franklin's book "Right People, Right Place, Right Plan." Haven't read it yet, but I was pleasantly surprised to see TF Tenney mentioned in the front of the book. In small paragraph for acknowledgements or thanks, JF mentions Tommy Tenney, TF Tenney and Steve Munsey as being great mentors for him. (not exact statement, but to that effect. I'll post the exact quote later.)


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