True Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness
 

There is a very interesting public facebook page titled "True Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal Holiness"

For all of you progressive UPCers that try to convince me that the UPC is now moderate and mainstream I challenge you to explore the posts on that FB page.

One prime example of how the magic hair docctrine is alive and well in old time Oneness Pentecost is a post that I am going to try and post a link to here. The post is very long but you only initially see a small portion of it until you hit the "more" button.

Once you do that you can find out how this woman used her magical uncut hair to heal someone, etc. I find it ironic that she asks for no criticism to her post out of respect for her yet in her post she has no hesitation to condemn women who cut their hair as possibly endangering their families.

It has taken every bit of self control to keep from ignoring her request and pointing out to her that her hair is not a magical tailsman and that she is the one that should be worried because she is pretty much dabbling in the occult and is in heresy.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

I just tried the link and while it does bring you to the FB page and pic for the topic it does not bring you to the specific post I wanted you to read. Maybe if you search for "Kelli Orange" once you are at the link as it is her note I was referring to.

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I clicked the link and it took me directly to that post.

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Would the magic hair belief be somewhat akin to the romanist practice of antimins or statues of the 'saints' who help them attain answers to prayers?

The lady in the picture looks pretty sad to me.

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Maybe I should start a holy beard doctrine.

perhaps brother Steve Winters beard has magical power too.

Nah, last time I tried growing a beard, I looked like a mass murderer.
those guys from duck dynasty looked handsome next to me.

I had to shave out because I am definitely not a beard man.

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I only skimmed the article but the majority of comments that follow praising it horrify me for some reason.

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I went to a hair conference that was very enlightening

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I don't think that is the reason.

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it worked well for RRH

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some real harry potter stuff

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makes sense

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I

am

also

crying

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I want to comment on this article so bad, but I have to "like" it to do it!! Argh!

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Impossible, she has magic hair that should provide her with plenty of happiness.

Is there anything that we men can use to also have that magical power?

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Isn't this how the holy relics junket was born?
Bones from holy men were supposed to work miracles, so there were all kinds of bones dug up.

When someone mentioned that there are enough holy splinters of the cross to make many crosses, the Catholics came up with the ingenious response that God miraculously multiplied the splinters like Jesus multiplied the bread.

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As true apostolic pentacostal, I believe that we should not cut our hair as women, whether is trimmed or bobed. And this is not for my husband, but as my obedience unto God.

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Thats fine to believe and all...but WHY do you believe it? Paul never used the word uncut. He used the word long. He knew greek well and could have used the greek words that mean uncut, but chose specifically not to, choosing rather to go with long. As the word is inspired by God, that means GOD didn't want the word for uncut to be used. God meant long.

So if long is Paul's word on the issue...why do we feel we have the right to say it means uncut?

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A case can be made from either side using scripture for or against uncut hair from this passage. It's not all that cut and dried unless it's a personal conviction, in which case you can argue the passage compellingly from your convictions.

For me it comes down to this: long hair on a male is effeminate, but long hair on a female is her crowning glory.
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Segraves, Daniel L. “Hair Length in the Bible” WAP, 1989 (pages 43 – 45)
A question generally arises at this point: How long must one’s hair be to fit the biblical definition of “long?” The answer centers on the meaning of the Greek words Koma (a verb) and Kome (a noun).
Koma is translated “have long hair” both in verses 14 and 15. According to Gingrich’s lexicon, the work means to “wear long hair, let one’s hair grow long.” Thayer’s Lexicon renders it “to let the hair grow, have long hair.” Obviously, someone cannot allow hair to grow and cut it at the same time.
Kome is the word translated “hair” in the phrase “for her hair is given her for a covering” (verse 15). The passages cited by Bauer’s lexicon and Moulton and Miligan’s Vocabulary of the Greek New Testament indicate that kome refers to uncut hair. The passages cited by these works in which his word occurs in Greek literature demand the meaning of “uncut hair.” The word kome is also used to describe the Nazarite, who were forbidden to cut their hair.
Long hair is hair that has not been shorn, or cut; it has been allowed to grow. It does not require a specific length . . .
The statement “for her hair is given her for a covering” is critical to the entire passage, for it provides the only specific definition of a covering in the passage . . .
What does the phrase “if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him mean? . . .
This is not to suggest that a man does well if he merely cuts his hair with great infrequency. Underlying this entire passage is the Bible teaching of the distinction between men and women. While a man might be able to escape the technical definition of “long hair” by having his hair cut once in a great while, he could very well violate the spirit of the passage by giving the appearance of having uncut hair and by blurring the distinction between the sexes. The woman’s hair should be clearly long and uncut; the man’s hair should be clearly short and cut.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If one wants to believe Paul was commanding women to have long hair, I can probably make an argument that he means uncut hair.

But I don't believe that is his intent. For one thing it would logically mean any time hair is cut, even if it's 4 feet long and one cuts off 2 inches, the hair is short

So the only real difference between short and long hair is the split ends.

DS understood the conundrum and tried to explain it away but I don't buy it. Men can have long cut hair and still be considered short.

but one thing needs to be understood. There is no word there in the greek for "long". It's actually one word translated "long hair"

Zodhaites
komáō; contracted komṓ, fut. komḗsō, from kómē (G2864), hair. To have long hair (1Co_11:14-15). Paul teaches that a woman's hair ought to be different from a man's, and that a woman's hair is equivalent to a peribólaion (G4018), something that is wrapped around, a veil or mantle. From the context, it seems that the woman's hair ought to be distinct from a man's hair, not only in length, but also in ornamentation.

When I was a kid, I used to let my hair grow out. I would not cut it for a long time, then get it cut or trimmed but it was still young. It seems that, to me, the intent is not to "never ever cut" but to "grow it long"

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Amanah wrote,
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That's it Amanah. I love long hair and won't cut mine. But I don't condemn those that do. What I think we all see is the teaching or thinking that the power of God is in the hair itself.

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Didn''t read the article if the woman is saying there is some supernatural power in hair itself that is absurd. Many of us condemned this as heresy from the beginning. In the FCF days we stood against it. However the Bible clearly teaches a woman is to be covered when praying and prophecying the ONLY defined covering in the chapter is long hair(komao let her hair grow). Newman who was a champion for those who were promoting women cutting their hair put numerous lexicons for the definitions of shorn and nearly everyone of them included cut or cut off. And Sabellious nailed her hide and sent her into oblivion.:thumbsup
Paul taught no church of God allowes women with bobbed hair to worship as a member.
Trying to keep y'all straight.:happydance

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well, as a member of the UPCI, I can say without question that both of the things you named above are damnable heresy!

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Amen, Brother Epley!

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right on once again!

Uncut hair is simply obedience. There is POWER in obedience. I didn't need a book or theology steeped in mysticism to get that revelation. Just a heart desiring to do what is right before God and an honest look at I Corinthians 11.

I have heard Bro. Stoneking teach on uncut hair and while I know that he is a little on the finatic side of pretty much anything (not sayin thats a bad thing...just his personality)...I do not believe he is spewing what people are accusing him of. Anyone can take any doctrine or teaching (good or bad) and run with it...making it something it was not intended to be. That is what many (IMO) have done with Bro. Stoneking's teaching on uncut hair.

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We have been over this before, Elder...recently as I recall, and NO ONE sent Newman into oblivion.

Respectfully, if you knew Newman, other than a cursory forum glance, you would know that she would not allow anyone to send her packing.

Just saying'...

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On this we just will disagree. She was indeed a lady and a scholar in her own right. I teased her that she had an alarm on her computer when ever the word 'hair' appeared it rang a bell and she came charging in. I respected her but I was there and after Sab took her arguments apart piece by piece she disappeared. I hope all is well with her this certainly isn't meant as a slam on her I liked her she was always a lady. :thumbsup

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WRONG!!! It was endorsed in the Pentecostal Herald.

The UPCI website had a pic posted of a woman praying over an offering basket with her hair.

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I was there as well, Elder...yes, we will just disagree.

All seems to be well with Newman and I will pass on your regards when I next speak with her.

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Very true...I saw the pic as well. It disgusted me!

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That is fine, no problem with that, but to claim that there is some magical power in the hair goes way beyond the scriptures.

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That word 'power' means authority. It does NOT mean I can lay my uncut on the hood of my car an and it will start.

And think on this...

There are zillions of women who do not cut their hair, and for religious reasons. Do they all have the same power? And is this soul saving power?

How do you or LS explain the women who do not cut their hair, but have met with a tragedy?

MY SIL is a UPCI pastor's wife...Apostolic born and bred. Never cut her hair, yet in 2001 her 20 year old son went into a diabetic coma and died. Where was the protection?

This teaching is outrageous!

And if you or anyone else in LS's corner think folks are making this up, go to YouTube and listen to his videos...it is disgusting.

I do NOT cut my hair, but not because of some concocted notion that I can perform miracles by the laying on of my hair.

If that were the case, laying on of hair would have been mentioned in the same breath as laying on of hands.

The healing power is in God alone!

If it is in my hair, God loses the glory.

Amen and Amen!

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That is plain witchcraft.

There is no difference between that and praying over the offering with the bone of a holy person?

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You have every right to be outraged, the magical hair doctrine smacks of witchcraft, all that is needed is some hocus pocus Latin phrase.

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go back and read my quote please.

I do not believe there is "power" in uncut hair.

Nor do i believe in "laying on of hair" as a doctrine or normal practice.

I do not believe a lady has any more power because of her uncut hair as an act of obedience than i do for keeping mine short.

This hyper junk of power in hair scares me..i believe the Word of God teaches uncut hair on ladies and short hair on men...and God honors that.

I believe people are making an idol out of hair...thats not pleasing to God.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything in your post..except that I'm not convinced LS is advocating what he is being accused of. I could be wrong...and if he is...I very much disagree with that message.

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I can't help that this garbage was endorsed in the Herald or what the UPCI website posted.

I'm simply saying that Bro Stoneking's message has been taken to extremes by many in the movement. I don't know that I believe that is what he is trying to promote or advocate.

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WOOT!! PREACH, BARB!!!! :cheer :cheer

Not only does God lose the glory over my hair, but my husband also loses his authority in the house. He ain't gonna like that. :heeheehee

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The message has not been taken to extremes. He told his daughter in law to lay her hair on her ill child.

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No, I don't believe it has been taken to extremes. I have his message on a thumbdrive to prove that. I've already posted it and am not going to drag it out again, but we have all read it.

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The teaching was absurd and false. It was somewhat contained in certain circles. The powers that be were too slow in debunking it for what reason I know not. But the first time I heard of it was on FCF. I went immediately to my pulpit and denounced it. I wrote an article against it. No preacher I was associated with believed it but rather denounced it. There might be a rare case where a godly felt let to lay her hair, hanky, or hand on someone and they got healed BY FAITH not by the object. Do greet Newman for me she shared prayer request a time or two. I really respected her.

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maybe not...i've only heard him preach it once.
Maybe I didnt listen objectively enough to recognize error.
I certainly don't believe what is being preached or practiced by some today.
Like i said, i feel some are making an idol out of hair and developing an ego because of it.