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The true goal of socialists

Socialism not only saps the current wealth, it also destroys the ability to create new wealth. The latter is actually the main goal of socialists, NOT to equally distribute wealth. We are seeing the socialists within reach of achieving this goal in America.

Obamacare will achieve this socialist dream like nothing else ever has. No new wealth means no new businesses which results in no new jobs. To my young friends who support the President, where will you work when you graduate from college if no new jobs are being created?

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those in favor ought to have to stand in the lines here in Brazil...and then hope for a doctor...

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1277826)

What real jobs are actually being affected by Obamacare? Im not talking about jobs and companies that have been hiring part time jobs long before Obamacare. Im not talking about McDonalds fast food jobs. Im not talking about Walmart. What jobs are being lost because of it?

The biggest job creators are small businesses with under 10 employees, next is under 20, next is under 30 employees (it goes on from there). These businesses can receive tax credits through the marketplace to help ease the burden of providing health insurance to their employees. Small businesses have historically had the hardest time providing quality coverage to themselves or their employees. only businesses with over 50 full-time employees who don't already provide health benefits to their full-timers will be affected by the "employer mandate". These businesses account for .2% of all firms in America. Most of the top 3% of small businesses polled said that the idea that ObamaCare would affect their job growth or hiring process was an "ObamaCare myth". Its not socialism. Its insurance reform. Romney himself said it wasnt Socialism. I dont like the bill for the sole fact that the Govt is making me purchase something and is using the IRS to tax it. Look at Massachusetts. Did they turn into a Socialist state after Romneycare?

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1278455)

http://www.lifeisajoke.com/Pictures/...-mao-obama.jpg

Loser. No comments. No facts. Loser!

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those in favor should have been with me today...hospital but no doctors...lol...banks on strike for days now...post office on stirke for days....marches...burning tires in the middle of the highways....

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1278480)

Sis there is no evidence that this will happen. Someone of course feel free to correct me with actual sources.

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 1278480)

What do you expect? You live in a third world country where the majority of the officials from the President to the local policeman are on the take. A country where you are afraid to stop at red lights at night. A country where the top law official will kill for you. To compare Brazil to the United State or any other civilized country is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by Light (Post 1278543)

We are closer to becoming Brazil than we have ever been before. I wonder what tune you'll be humming in the next few years when the government seizes 60% of your pay right off the top just to pay for Obamacare.

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278456)

Loser. No comments. No facts. Loser!

So you have not been keeping up with the facts concerning Obamacare and its destructive nature?

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1278569)

We are closer to becoming Brazil than we have ever been before. I wonder what tune you'll be humming in the next few years when the government seizes 60% of your pay right off the top just to pay for Obamacare.

Source?

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1278570)

So you have not been keeping up with the facts concerning Obamacare and its destructive nature?

Has Massachusetts been destroyed yet?

Please tell me what the destructive nature of Obamacare is? I want direct references from the bill. Not what some media group is telling you. Ill wait.

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278450)

The biggest job creators are small businesses with under 10 employees, next is under 20, next is under 30 employees (it goes on from there). These businesses can receive tax credits through the marketplace to help ease the burden of providing health insurance to their employees. Small businesses have historically had the hardest time providing quality coverage to themselves or their employees. only businesses with over 50 full-time employees who don't already provide health benefits to their full-timers will be affected by the "employer mandate". These businesses account for .2% of all firms in America. Most of the top 3% of small businesses polled said that the idea that ObamaCare would affect their job growth or hiring process was an "ObamaCare myth". Its not socialism. Its insurance reform. Romney himself said it wasnt Socialism. I dont like the bill for the sole fact that the Govt is making me purchase something and is using the IRS to tax it. Look at Massachusetts. Did they turn into a Socialist state after Romneycare?

Post your source, please. Unless you're just making up numbers and statistics off the top of your head. The info above is from some source, need to post it. Especially since you've been demanding others post their sources, and not just spout off information.

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278872)

Has Massachusetts been destroyed yet?

There's no comparison between a single state healthcare system and a country-wide healthcare system. There may be a few similarities, but the end result will be much different when expanded to the entire country.

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1278877)

of course you tuck tail and run.

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278881)

of course you tuck tail and run.

:lol What are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278450)

Post your source.

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1278882)

:lol What are you talking about?

Im talking about you and your response to Mass being ok after Romneycare.

Romneycare had a stricter mandate than Obamacare.

Romneycare makes employers with 11 full time employees provide insurance.

Obamacare is only 50.

Romney had an improvement in unemployment when he left office. So like I said, Mass didnt self destruct into a socialist paradise after Romney care.

Bottom line I am for health insurance reform. I am for controllling costs and making it more affordable. I just hate how the IRS is going to enforce this. Thats the only thing I hate.

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1278883)

Post your source.

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-myths.php

Liberal media?

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278887)

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-myths.php

Liberal media?

:slaphappy Well, shoot...Walt Whitney knows. :slaphappy

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278450)

If you read Walt Whitney and "Obamacarefacts.com" you don't believe any "real" jobs are being affected. In fact, under the "full list of Obamacare taxes" Walt claims 98% of people won't be affected by things like the 2.3% medical device tax, the BCBS tax hike, the tax on Brand name drugs or health insurers.

Darden Restaurants running an experiment to see what impact of Obamacare will be.

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Under a provision of the Affordable Care Act that takes effect in 2014, large companies must offer health care to employees who work 30 hours or more in week. If they don't do so, companies can be fined up to $3,000 for each employee who turns to an insurance exchange for coverage.

Under its experiment, Darden is limiting many employees' hours to 28 and will evaluate the success for expanding to more markets, the Sentinel said.

SOURCE LINK

Kroger grocery stores will be limiting workers to 28 hours in order to keep from being penalized by Obamacare.

Here are some other "real" jobs being affected, just in the medical device industry:

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Boston Scientific anticipates $100 million in additional taxes next year, with layoffs to follow. Medtronic estimates a $175 million loss in 2013 and will cut 1,000 workers. Stryker plans 1,170 job cuts.

Other medical manufacturers will follow: Smith & Nephew, with 770 layoffs; Abbott Labs, 700; Covidien, 595; Kinetic Concepts, 427; St. Jude Medical, 300; Welch Allyn 275; and Hill Rom, 200.

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Last year after the election, I had a long list of medical device manufacturers which announced layoffs due to Obamacare, specifically the 2.3% sales tax it imposes. Unfortunately, I scrubbed my FB account of all the political stuff and didn't keep the links I compiled to the information. There were far more, including the one's above.

This is where you, Walt Whitney and "Obamacarefacts" either don't get it or just blatantly ignore it.

Ambiomed is one such medical device manufacturer. They sold $126 million dollars in devices last year, but only had a profit of $1.5 million. Had the 2.3% tax been in place last year, they would have had to not only forfeit their profit of $1.5 million, but they would have had to pay an additional $1.4 million in taxes.

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it took Massachusetts-based Abiomed 30 years to show a profit building specialized heart pumps. During that time, the company has grown from 10 to 440 employees, but the company risks being back in the red if the excise tax goes into effect Jan 1, 2013, as planned.

Abiomed reported about $1.5 million in profit on the $126 million in sales the company realized during fiscal 2012. Had the medical device tax been in effect then, the company would have had to turn in every penny of its profits, plus another $1.4 million or so.

“None of this was allocated three years ago when we created a strategic plan to become profitable,” CEO Mike Minogue told the House Committee on Small Business last week.

Minogue testified the amount Abiomed will pay for the excise tax is the equivalent of 15 percent of the company’s research and development budget, 10 percent of its employee head count, or almost double what it spends on health care for hundreds of employees.

“This tax will affect jobs. It will mix health care reform with tax policy and it will be extra detrimental to companies that are not yet profitable and need every dollar to survive,” he said.

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"Real" jobs are being affected. "Real" people are losing their jobs because of obamacare, regardless of what you and Walt Whitney claim.

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Is Obamacare Constitutional?

It was only ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS because the SCOTUS illegally declared Obamacare was 'a tax'. Well then, let's suppose it is a tax. Did it originate in the House of Representatives? No?

Then it is illegal and unconstitutional.

All other arguments about Obamacare, how it will help the chilrenz and such, are moot and irrelevant.

It is unconstitutional, illegal, and no Christian can support it while being faithful to the law of the land. To support Obamacare is to support an overthrow of the law of the land, the US Constitution. It is rebellion and revolution, insurrection and anarchy.

And thus, it is sinful.

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Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1278881)

of course you tuck tail and run.

:chirp

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1278905)

Is Obamacare Constitutional?

It was only ruled constitutional by the SCOTUS because the SCOTUS illegally declared Obamacare was 'a tax'. Well then, let's suppose it is a tax. Did it originate in the House of Representatives? No?
Then it is illegal and unconstitutional.

All other arguments about Obamacare, how it will help the chilrenz and such, are moot and irrelevant.

It is unconstitutional, illegal, and no Christian can support it while being faithful to the law of the land. To support Obamacare is to support an overthrow of the law of the land, the US Constitution. It is rebellion and revolution, insurrection and anarchy.

And thus, it is sinful.

It will be challenged again in court because it is a tax that did not originate in the House of Representatives. That could spell its end.

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1279080)

It will be challenged again in court because it is a tax that did not originate in the House of Representatives. That could spell its end.

I had a debate with someone over this when SCOTUS ruled it as a "tax." I thought for sure there would be a new lawsuit filed immediately over the new issue -- that it was deemed a tax, but did not originate in the House. Actually, contrary to most conservatives, I thought Chief Justice Roberts was doing Republicans a favor by ruling it a tax.

But over a year has passed and nothing has been done regarding this tax/House issue. I haven't found the answer to why it hasn't been challenged yet.