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navygoat1998 09-25-2013 03:52 PM

Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Good stuff here!!!!


http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fir...uin-ministries

J. LEE GRADY

Our movement began unraveling a few years ago because of flawed leadership. We will not recover until we clean up our act.

I spend a lot of time investing in young leaders—and I constantly urge them to learn from the mistakes we made in the previous move of God. I appreciate the positive things the Holy Spirit did during the charismatic movement, but we made a mess because we didn’t lead with integrity.

The apostle Paul gave us a crash course in leadership in his second letter to the Corinthians. While studying that epistle recently, I identified four of the biggest mistakes we made during the charismatic revival. I pray we've learned our lesson so we can avoid these flaws in the next season.

1. Charlatanism. We charismatics lost our credibility during the past 30 years because certain greedy preachers manipulated their audiences to pad their own pockets. Just as a little leaven spreads to the whole lump of dough, the charlatans ruined it for all of us.

The apostle Paul told the Corinthians, “For we are not like many, peddling the Word of God” (2 Cor. 2:17, NASB). The Greek word for peddling, kapeleuo, means “to make money by selling; to corrupt; to get gain by teaching divine truth.” How many well-known charismatic preachers started out well but ended up as pitiful peddlers, begging for dollars to pay for luxury cars and mansions they felt they needed to prove their importance? (And now some of these guys have their own reality show, The Preachers of L.A., which airs in October and features Noel Jones and Clarence McClendon.)

2. Entitlement. Paul continually reminded the Corinthians that he was a servant: “For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake” (2 Cor. 4:5). Servanthood is the most fundamental requirement for any leader. Yet in our movement, we celebrated the opposite attitude by allowing leaders with out-of-control egos to demand special treatment.

I know of one conference speaker who routinely sends a 23-page list of requirements to churches that want her to speak! In the past, some charismatic preachers have demanded shopping money (in addition to their honorariums) and luxury accommodations; others insist they can’t travel without their “armor bearer”—basically a minion who carries a preacher’s briefcase, handkerchief and water bottle to make him look important.

News flash! Paul did not have an armor bearer, and he would have rebuked any minister who insists on acting like a fat cat.

3. Arrogance. The apostle Paul modeled teamwork. When he went to Corinth, Thessalonica or Crete, it was not The Paul Show. He traveled with Luke, Silas, Timothy and many others. He told the Corinthians, “As for Titus, he is my partner and fellow worker among you” (2 Cor. 8:23)—and Paul exhorted the church to view Titus with the same respect they showed him.

Yet in our movement, we put men on pedestals and under spotlights. We created a culture of preacher worship. Leaders began using titles. Then came the limousines and private jets. Some high-profile speakers went so far as to promote the use of bodyguards. And I know of at least one preacher who demanded that a church fly special beef to his hotel so he could have the steak he required. Pride turns men of God into monsters.

4. Professionalism. Somebody got the bright idea a few years ago that churches should be managed like businesses. So pastors became CEOs, and ministry was put on an assembly line. Congregations became franchises competing with each other to see who could offer the coolest music, the hippest sermons and the best lobby coffee bar. But a funny thing happened on the way to the megachurch: We lost the relational touch.

I’m not against big churches, cool music or coffee bars. But my fear is that leaders today might assume they can buy success by copying the style of this month’s most popular rock-star preacher. I don’t care if you have strobe lights, fog machines, killer musicians and a home-run sermon every week. If people don’t see true brokenness in the pulpit and experience real pastoral care, they will never grow into disciples. Shallow, professional leaders produce shallow Christianity.

Leaders must be real. Our ministry must flow out of passionate love for God and genuine love for people. The apostle Paul never wore a mask. He was touchable and affectionate. He never went through the motions. He was broken. He knew he was nothing apart from Jesus. He told the Corinthians, “Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me” (2 Cor. 12:9).

Paul told the Corinthians he was careful not to offend in any area “so that the ministry will not be discredited” (2 Cor. 6:3). I wish we had been that careful to guard what God gave us in the charismatic revival. Our flaws have grieved the Holy Spirit. Let’s trade in charlatanism for financial integrity; entitlement for servanthood; the celebrity syndrome for teamwork; and professionalism for touchable authenticity. Let’s become leaders who act like Jesus.

Sister Alvear 09-25-2013 04:16 PM

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wow....

Praxeas 09-25-2013 04:30 PM

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Grady nails it

Michael The Disciple 09-25-2013 04:58 PM

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Yes.

Originalist 09-25-2013 05:52 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
We Apostolics think we are immune to all of this, but "take heed he who thinks he stands lest he fall."

seekerman 09-25-2013 05:53 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1277833)
Good stuff here!!!!


http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/fir...uin-ministries

J. LEE GRADY

Our movement began unraveling a few years ago because of flawed leadership. We will not recover until we clean up our act.

I spend a lot of time investing in young leaders—and I constantly urge them to learn from the mistakes we made in the previous move of God. I appreciate the positive things the Holy Spirit did during the charismatic movement, but we made a mess because we didn’t lead with integrity.

The apostle Paul gave us a crash course in leadership in his second letter to the Corinthians. While studying that epistle recently, I identified four of the biggest mistakes we made during the charismatic revival. I pray we've learned our lesson so we can avoid these flaws in the next season.

1. Charlatanism. We charismatics lost our credibility during the past 30 years because certain greedy preachers manipulated their audiences to pad their own pockets. Just as a little leaven spreads to the whole lump of dough, the charlatans ruined it for all of us.

The apostle Paul told the Corinthians, “For we are not like many, peddling the Word of God” (2 Cor. 2:17, NASB). The Greek word for peddling, kapeleuo, means “to make money by selling; to corrupt; to get gain by teaching divine truth.” How many well-known charismatic preachers started out well but ended up as pitiful peddlers, begging for dollars to pay for luxury cars and mansions they felt they needed to prove their importance? (And now some of these guys have their own reality show, The Preachers of L.A., which airs in October and features Noel Jones and Clarence McClendon.)

2. Entitlement. Paul continually reminded the Corinthians that he was a servant: “For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake” (2 Cor. 4:5). Servanthood is the most fundamental requirement for any leader. Yet in our movement, we celebrated the opposite attitude by allowing leaders with out-of-control egos to demand special treatment.

I know of one conference speaker who routinely sends a 23-page list of requirements to churches that want her to speak! In the past, some charismatic preachers have demanded shopping money (in addition to their honorariums) and luxury accommodations; others insist they can’t travel without their “armor bearer”—basically a minion who carries a preacher’s briefcase, handkerchief and water bottle to make him look important.

News flash! Paul did not have an armor bearer, and he would have rebuked any minister who insists on acting like a fat cat.

3. Arrogance. The apostle Paul modeled teamwork. When he went to Corinth, Thessalonica or Crete, it was not The Paul Show. He traveled with Luke, Silas, Timothy and many others. He told the Corinthians, “As for Titus, he is my partner and fellow worker among you” (2 Cor. 8:23)—and Paul exhorted the church to view Titus with the same respect they showed him.

Yet in our movement, we put men on pedestals and under spotlights. We created a culture of preacher worship. Leaders began using titles. Then came the limousines and private jets. Some high-profile speakers went so far as to promote the use of bodyguards. And I know of at least one preacher who demanded that a church fly special beef to his hotel so he could have the steak he required. Pride turns men of God into monsters.

4. Professionalism. Somebody got the bright idea a few years ago that churches should be managed like businesses. So pastors became CEOs, and ministry was put on an assembly line. Congregations became franchises competing with each other to see who could offer the coolest music, the hippest sermons and the best lobby coffee bar. But a funny thing happened on the way to the megachurch: We lost the relational touch.

I’m not against big churches, cool music or coffee bars. But my fear is that leaders today might assume they can buy success by copying the style of this month’s most popular rock-star preacher. I don’t care if you have strobe lights, fog machines, killer musicians and a home-run sermon every week. If people don’t see true brokenness in the pulpit and experience real pastoral care, they will never grow into disciples. Shallow, professional leaders produce shallow Christianity.

Leaders must be real. Our ministry must flow out of passionate love for God and genuine love for people. The apostle Paul never wore a mask. He was touchable and affectionate. He never went through the motions. He was broken. He knew he was nothing apart from Jesus. He told the Corinthians, “Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me” (2 Cor. 12:9).

Paul told the Corinthians he was careful not to offend in any area “so that the ministry will not be discredited” (2 Cor. 6:3). I wish we had been that careful to guard what God gave us in the charismatic revival. Our flaws have grieved the Holy Spirit. Let’s trade in charlatanism for financial integrity; entitlement for servanthood; the celebrity syndrome for teamwork; and professionalism for touchable authenticity. Let’s become leaders who act like Jesus.

Thanks for posting this. How on earth did the people (including me) allow this to happen in the Church?

Renee29 09-25-2013 06:35 PM

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We are not immune to it. The UPC is full of preacher worship and arrogance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1277857)
We Apostolics think we are immune to all of this, but "take heed he who thinks he stands lest he fall."


Praxeas 09-25-2013 07:19 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1277857)
We Apostolics think we are immune to all of this, but "take heed he who thinks he stands lest he fall."

I don't think we are immune. This is all happening right now in Oneness circles

Abiding Now 09-25-2013 10:52 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Grady is a compromiser.

Other than that, some good points.

commonsense 09-25-2013 11:34 PM

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:thumbsup

Praxeas 09-26-2013 12:02 AM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1277892)
Grady is a compromiser.

Other than that, some good points.

What has he compromised on?

Ferd 09-26-2013 08:03 AM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1277857)
We Apostolics think we are immune to all of this, but "take heed he who thinks he stands lest he fall."

im not sure what circles you walk in but that isnt the case with me.

Ferd 09-26-2013 08:06 AM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
good stuff.... I would add a fifth. and for me it is the number one flaw of ministry. At least those I have seen who fail all seem to have lost it....


That being losing the fear of God.

I have never once preached a sermon to the church about their need to fear God. I have taught this principle but within very constrained limits.

However, preachers need this hammered into their heads. No preacher can afford to lose their fear of God.

seekerman 09-26-2013 08:11 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1277948)
good stuff.... I would add a fifth. and for me it is the number one flaw of ministry. At least those I have seen who fail all seem to have lost it....


That being losing the fear of God.

I have never once preached a sermon to the church about their need to fear God. I have taught this principle but within very constrained limits.

However, preachers need this hammered into their heads. No preacher can afford to lose their fear of God.

I'm not sure if you're using 'fear' here as in being scared that someone is going to hurt you, but the fear of God isn't that kind of fear. It's not possible to truly love someone and have that kind of fear toward them at the same time. Perfect love casts out fear, there's no place for that in a person's life who loves God.

Now, if by 'fear' you mean reverence, that's something different.

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Esaias 09-26-2013 08:47 AM

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http://www.atruechurch.info/fearofgod.html

navygoat1998 09-26-2013 09:18 AM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 1277948)
good stuff.... I would add a fifth. and for me it is the number one flaw of ministry. At least those I have seen who fail all seem to have lost it....


That being losing the fear of God.

I have never once preached a sermon to the church about their need to fear God. I have taught this principle but within very constrained limits.

However, preachers need this hammered into their heads. No preacher can afford to lose their fear of God.

This brings the sons of Eli to mind.

n david 09-26-2013 09:20 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1277975)

:thumbsup

Esaias 09-26-2013 09:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1277994)
:thumbsup

The other stuff on their site is pretty, er... 'wacky' comes to mind...

Ferd 09-26-2013 09:36 AM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1277952)
I'm not sure if you're using 'fear' here as in being scared that someone is going to hurt you, but the fear of God isn't that kind of fear. It's not possible to truly love someone and have that kind of fear toward them at the same time. Perfect love casts out fear, there's no place for that in a person's life who loves God.

Now, if by 'fear' you mean reverence, that's something different.

1Jn 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

i use the term correctly.... eveyone should reverence God... but when we are talking about ministry, there are some areas that go beyond that.

I dont believe we live in fear (trembling sacared of the lightening bolt etc) but when you have the lives of others in your care, you better understand that God intends you take care of his children.

Every preacher I know that has fallen into sin, lost that. and found themselves shipwrecked.

Abiding Now 09-26-2013 06:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1277901)
What has he compromised on?

Did you read his article "The Other Pentecostals"?

Ferd 09-27-2013 07:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1278136)
Did you read his article "The Other Pentecostals"?

I think we had a thread here about that.

Sister Alvear 09-27-2013 08:09 AM

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yes, I read it...quite a while ago...

n david 09-27-2013 08:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Abiding Now (Post 1278136)
Did you read his article "The Other Pentecostals"?

What was wrong with the article? I hope you're not one of the one's still upset about an article which was written almost 2 decades ago.


The Other Pentecostals

houston 09-27-2013 08:38 AM

Great article. Not sure how that makes him a compromiser.

Aquila 09-27-2013 08:47 AM

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Wow. Great post.

renee819 09-28-2013 05:18 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Great Post. I wish every one of the UPC Pastors and ministers would read that.

Steve Epley 09-28-2013 05:42 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Good article too bad he isn't saved.

navygoat1998 09-28-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1278598)
Good article too bad he isn't saved.

Great to see ya, but to bad your as wrong as 2 boys kissing.......:happydance

KeptByTheWord 09-28-2013 07:14 PM

Re: Four Fatal Flaws That Ruin Ministries
 
Excellent article, thanks for sharing it. I have no idea who this man is who wrote the article, but he hit the nail on the head to the major issue facing anyone in the ministry today.

KeptByTheWord 09-28-2013 07:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1278598)
Good article too bad he isn't saved.

By the way, Bro. Epley... do you sing songs out of the Sing Unto the Lord hymnbook? Most of them were written by people who - according to your judgment - would not be saved... do you throw out something good just because it comes from someone who in your estimation is "not saved"?

Esaias 09-29-2013 10:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1278607)
By the way, Bro. Epley... do you sing songs out of the Sing Unto the Lord hymnbook? Most of them were written by people who - according to your judgment - would not be saved... do you throw out something good just because it comes from someone who in your estimation is "not saved"?

He just said it was a 'good article'????

houston 09-29-2013 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1278652)
He just said it was a 'good article'????

right. I am also puzzled by the response.

navygoat1998 09-29-2013 11:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 1278598)
Good article too bad he isn't saved.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1278607)
By the way, Bro. Epley... do you sing songs out of the Sing Unto the Lord hymnbook? Most of them were written by people who - according to your judgment - would not be saved... do you throw out something good just because it comes from someone who in your estimation is "not saved"?

I think the issue lies in Elders estimation that Grady is unsaved.

houston 09-29-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1278607)
do you throw out something good just because it comes from someone who in your estimation is "not saved"?

Quote:

Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1278659)
I think the issue lies in Elders estimation that Grady is unsaved.

The answer is probably "no."

seekerman 09-29-2013 11:28 AM

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How does one judge and determine if another person is saved or not?

houston 09-29-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1278661)
How does one judge and determine if another person is saved or not?

do the three step... submit to your pastor... jump through a burning ring of fire...

seekerman 09-29-2013 11:46 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by houston (Post 1278662)
do the three step... submit to your pastor... jump through a burning ring of fire...

I'm thinking I'll get a 'go to the bible and find out' type non-answer. :)

Esaias 09-29-2013 12:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seekerman (Post 1278661)
How does one judge and determine if another person is saved or not?

For a love gift of 1,000 AFF bucks to the GOOPF (see link in my sig) you can get a palantir carved from a piece of glass made in Haifa, Israel which will give you the ability to do just that!

For a love gift of 100 AFF bucks you get some Holy Land dirt (packed in a 1 oz vial) blessed by one of our special guests from Friday's program which will enable you to tell if anyone nearby is saved or not - it will glow light brown in the presence of sinners!

RandyWayne 09-29-2013 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1278668)
For a love gift of 1,000 AFF bucks to the GOOPF (see link in my sig) you can get a palantir carved from a piece of glass made in Haifa, Israel which will give you the ability to do just that!

For a love gift of 100 AFF bucks you get some Holy Land dirt (packed in a 1 oz vial) blessed by one of our special guests from Friday's program which will enable you to tell if anyone nearby is saved or not - it will glow light brown in the presence of sinners!

Or when Orcs are near.

Esaias 09-29-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1278669)
Or when Orcs are near.

Aren't orcs sinners?


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