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I was reading a Hank Hanegrsaff book once The Apocalypse Code.
I know, I know how can you read a book by Hank? Well a broken clock is right twice a day, And if the Lord could use a donkey to speak in the Old Testament then He can use Hank.

Anyway Hank described how many dispensationalist go through a Scriptural Acrobatic routine to prove their point.

This really struck me. Shouldn't we be able to explain what we believe without power points and pie charts?

So my question is!
What doctrines do you think people come up with by forcing the scriptures to say something the do not? :foottap

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The 3 step plan of Salvation. :largehalo

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:laffatu

Oneness.

3 steps.

Legalism.

Blind obedience to the pastor.

Pre trib.

Mid trib.

Full preterism.

Dispensationalism.

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Then there are all those attempts to explain away that pesky story of the thief on the cross and how it really doesn't apply to anyone today. Only that one specific time.

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What is there to 'explain away'? Who tries to explain it away?

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Are you saying all doctrine taught in the Bible should require no explanation?

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1. One step salvation.
2.ImmortalSoul.
3.Pre trib.
4.Heaven without holiness
5.Trinity

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compulsory tithing for the church

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Women preachers.

lol

nag, nag, nag...

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Every strict three-stepper out there.

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Really? You sure about that?

I have NEVER had to 'explain away' the story of the thief on the cross. And yet I am categorized here on AFF as a 'strict three stepper'.

But like I asked before, in another thread... is there nothing in Scripture that must be explained?

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There is nothing wrong with explaining a scripture. The problem is when you have to become a contortionist to explain something that should be simple.

Jesus at God's right hand comes to mind. This is a Jewish saying that means Jesus sat down in his Father's throne in his power and authority. Later on in Revelation we see this happen. God is one. When you get to Heaven there will be one person on the throne. Sounds simple to me.

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So then explain the thief on the cross. what was going on? What does it mean? What does it tell us?

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Brother Esaias, answer my question and then I will answer yours.

When you get to Heaven, how would you feel if the man that was the thief on the cross was there?
Would you be joyful? Or would you be angry?

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rofl!

Never mind.

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I don't think it is funny it is a serious question.

Anyway the thief on the cross was under the old covenant. At this point Jesus did not die for anybody's sins, he was still breathing. My opinion is that the thief went to Abrahams bosom, Christ preached to him with all the other old covenant saints.

The point is the man Jesus Christ could forgive sins before he was on the cross. Why couldn't he forgive sins of the cross?

Luke 23
36 The soldiers also ridiculed and made sport of Him, coming up and offering Him vinegar (a sour wine mixed with water)

37 And saying, If you are the King of the Jews, save (rescue) Yourself [[k]from death].

38 For there was also an inscription above Him [l]in letters of Greek and Latin and Hebrew: This is the King of the Jews.

39 One of the criminals who was suspended kept up a railing at Him, saying, Are You not the Christ (the Messiah)? Rescue Yourself and us [[m]from death]!

40 But the other one reproved him, saying, Do you not even fear God, seeing you yourself are under the same sentence of condemnation and suffering the same penalty?

41 And we indeed suffer it justly, receiving the due reward of our actions; but this Man has done nothing out of the way [nothing [n]strange or eccentric or perverse or unreasonable].

42 Then he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when You come [o]in Your kingly glory!

43 And He answered him, Truly I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.

Matthew 10:32
Therefore, everyone who acknowledges Me before men and confesses Me [out of a state of oneness with Me], I will also acknowledge him before My Father Who is in heaven and confess [that I am abiding in] him.

In verse 41 the thief acknowledges his sin and remorse for his actions.
In verse 42 the thief confesses that Jesus King of the Jews and he would like to be apart of his reign.

43 And He answered him, Truly I tell you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.

Sounds simple to me. :thumbsup

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Well, I'm gonna leave off dealing with the Abraham's bosom thingy, but you did say this: "The point is the man Jesus Christ could forgive sins before he was on the cross."

And I think if you pause for a moment, and consider, you answered your own question which you basically posed towards me...

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I really did not answer my own question. I can not tell how you feel or believe.

As for me, I will have joy unspeakable if I find heaven full of people.

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You mean "believe,repent, accept"?

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Or maybe it's 'regeneration, hearing, believing' like the Calvinists?

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To the Trinitarian that is you being a contortionist and not just accepting that Jesus literally is standing to the right of the Father

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I understand where you are coming from. I do. I was raised AOG. But AOG does not preach old testament verses on the Godhead. You have to read the whole bible not just the parts you want to.

Deuteronomy 6:4
World English Bible (WEB)

4 Hear, Israel: Yahweh is our God. Yahweh is one.

Deuteronomy 32:39
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

39 “‘See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god besides Me. I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal; neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand.


Revelation 4:2
21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

2 And immediately I was in the Spirit; and behold, a throne was set in Heaven, and One sat on the throne.

Sounds simple to me. :foottap
Really how could anybody not get it?

Oh and so I don't have to post in the next 30 seconds, No I am not twisting the scriptures. :happydance

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Let the Scripture Wars Begin!!!
:throwrock

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Here are the scriptures that everybody always brings up without taking into context. I count 11.

Mark 16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
Luke 22:69
Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 7:55
But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Acts 7:56
And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
Hebrews 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
1 Peter 3:22
Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
Colossians 3:1
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

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Here is the context. Scriptures that teach that there is only one God. No backflips, cartwheels or shenanigans.

Please see attachment. Because there are way too many to list.

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Disciple4life, That's the best explanation I've heard. I always explain "that Jesus sat down on the right hand of majesty." But that doesn't satisfy Trinitarians.

Why don't you bring this up in another thread. People need to study some of these deep things.

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the Calvinists twisting of scripture to teach predestination.

If Predestination is true then everything is pointless, Jesus was lying when he said what whosoever will.

Predestination makes a mockery of the cross.

I consider predestination the most horrendous twisting of God's word.

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Some would be without the knowledge of God if a woman had not preached to them....

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You didn't quote me so I have to assume you are replying to me but you missec my point.

Everyone is going to be subjective when they say someone elses view is acrobatics and not simple

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Who is a "Scriptural Acrobat?"

A person that bases their belief, on cherry-picked scriptures, without considering that what they are teaching is contradicting other scriptures. Not teaching sound doctrine.

What is the opposite? Study to show thyself approved. And harmonize the scriptures. And by harmonizing, you do have to know your Bible from Genesis to Revelations.

They didn't swallow what they were told, just because it was popular or some popular preacher, preached it, they “searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”

So now people have a new swing to swing on, “You don't believe as I do, so you're doing acrobats with the scriptures.” It doesn't matter that what they are saying contradicts other scriptures. So and so said it, so they believe it.

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Brother Praxeas,
I was just giving you a little grief. We had this conversation before.
I got your point. But I wanted the last word this time.

Yeah, I don't know how to quote yet!?!? I am really new here. I don't know if I mentioned that before.:thumbsup

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You click the quote button at the top of the editer

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Huh. They sure make it simple.:toofunny

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That Jesus is His own daddy while at the same time being His own Son who's His own daddy.....who's His own Son. He's a contortionist in an acrobatic world.

That another man must intone specific words while immersing you or you will not be saved.

Stuff like that.

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This is the Apostolic Forum right?

Did I miss something?

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You're going to have joy unspeakable then.

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Puzzling, to some, they're even going to be standing before the Lamb.

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So you got my point. Yeah there are going to be a lot of people in Heaven.

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Yeah, but you'll need convoluted explanations on how to do that...

:girlytantrum