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Originalist 10-03-2013 03:52 PM

Racism on the AFF???
 
I'd like to draw attention the the fact that the poster known as "Dedicated Mind" is repeatedly using racial bigotry in his posts. Please note his constant reference to and attacks on "WHITE southerners".

No other poster that I know of continually attacks a particular regional or ethnic group as he does and I protest this in the strongest terms possible. Bigots should not be allowed to post on this forum.

Thank you for your consideration in this matter.

Dedicated Mind 10-03-2013 04:16 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.

Originalist 10-03-2013 04:18 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279845)
I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.

You are a bigot, plain and simple. Your accusations of "terrorism" are also a slander and character assassination.

I'm sorry that you're mad because someone is finally standing up to your hero, but you can learn to debate without sounding like some sort of race baiting bigot.

Pressing-On 10-03-2013 04:45 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279845)
I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.

DM, I have to agree with Originalist, it looks like race baiting. Actually it looks to be in the same vein and mindset of a list that CAIR recently put out citing groups promoting Islamophobia. Are you a Muslim?

Dedicated Mind 10-03-2013 05:19 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1279853)
DM, I have to agree with Originalist, it looks like race baiting. Actually it looks to be in the same vein and mindset of a list that CAIR recently put out citing groups promoting Islamophobia. Are you a Muslim?

stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

Originalist 10-03-2013 05:45 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279874)
stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

We can just as easily lay the same charge against the Democrats who are basically telling the majority who want the individual mandate eliminated that they can just shut up and submit. Ask Dr Ben Carson who the terrorists and extortionists are. He was audited by the IRS solely for speaking out against Obamacare.

Pressing-On 10-03-2013 05:52 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279874)
stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

DM, The Democrats and the MSM are using the same terminology they use when referencing Islamic extremists. I hope you don't think we are not ignorant as to their rhetoric. It is simply hate. But I get that as they tried to take God out of their platform at the Democratic Convention. Are you an atheist?

I don't know why you would purposely try to fan the flames of unrest that is already rising up in this country.

And I don't know why you would call Constitutional Conservatives, like myself, terrorists.

BeenThinkin 10-03-2013 06:07 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279845)
I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.


Dedicated Mind, I recently preached from James 1:19 ...... 19 ¶ Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath :. Boy, when you post junk like this you sure make it difficult to live by James 1:19. Just sayin' I'm tryin'...

Been Thinkin'

Praxeas 10-03-2013 06:10 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1279853)
DM, I have to agree with Originalist, it looks like race baiting. Actually it looks to be in the same vein and mindset of a list that CAIR recently put out citing groups promoting Islamophobia. Are you a Muslim?

Yep...had he said "Everyone knows the political terrorism of the Democratic party is 90% black Muslims", we'd have a war...

Esaias 10-03-2013 06:15 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Wow, them southern white males seem to have succeeding in becoming a majority in just about every district outside the big metro areas all across the country...

BeenThinkin 10-03-2013 06:23 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1279899)
Wow, them southern white males seem to have succeeding in becoming a majority in just about every district outside the big metro areas all across the country...


I heard a rumor that if Obumer has to replace Holder he's gonna appoint Dedicated Mind to replace him. Another pea in the pod!

BT

Dedicated Mind 10-03-2013 07:04 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1279882)
DM, The Democrats and the MSM are using the same terminology they use when referencing Islamic extremists. I hope you don't think we are not ignorant as to their rhetoric. It is simply hate. But I get that as they tried to take God out of their platform at the Democratic Convention. Are you an atheist?

I don't know why you would purposely try to fan the flames of unrest that is already rising up in this country.

And I don't know why you would call Constitutional Conservatives, like myself, terrorists.

i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is unamerican and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

Originalist 10-03-2013 07:18 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Comrade Dedicated Mind is still reading from the script. Moscow gave him strict orders not to deviate from it.

Praxeas 10-03-2013 07:30 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279914)
i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is unamerican and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

we're all "held hostage" to one party or the other when they gain a majority control...that's how we got this mess to begin with under Obama's first watch

Adam 10-03-2013 07:30 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Poor conservative Southern Fox-viewing Republicans are becoming a minority and are resorting to "Help me! I am being repressed!" How pathetic.

Originalist 10-03-2013 07:50 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 1279917)
Poor conservative Southern Fox-viewing Republicans are becoming a minority and are resorting to "Help me! I am being repressed!" How pathetic.


Changing handles won't help you.

Originalist 10-03-2013 07:53 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279914)
i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is unamerican and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

You're unAmerican. I really wish we could send you to Cuba for a year. As one exile told me concerning your type, "It's easy to be a communist in America. Send these American communist wanna be's to Cuba for a year. Then let's see how they think."

Sasha 10-03-2013 08:07 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
I thank God that I'm not southern white man....

Pressing-On 10-03-2013 09:47 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279914)
i don't see how you don't see the link, republicans have taken the federal government hostage and are threatening economic disaster if democrats don't defund policies that were passed legislatively, upheld by the supreme court and ratified by a national election. republicans are using unconventional means to effect policy that wasn't enacted through traditional constitutional procedures. republicans are causing hardship to federal workers and threatening hardship to millions of Americans as the means to achieve their policy goals. that is Un-American and deserves the label of political and economic terrorism. how else can you explain the republicans means of achieving their objective?

I understand what has happened in the medical industry. Our medicine is distinctly different and more expensive per capita than much of the rest of the industrialized world. In our healthcare system, providers are incentivized to do the wrong thing, i.e., surgeons are not paid for their outcomes, they are paid for how many surgeries they perform. Patients with poor outcomes can then become profit centers, because they will end up requiring additional care.

There are also very strong incentives to produce biased research. We all know medical research has a history of bias, i.e. the tobacco industry, the pharmaceutical companies, the medical device companies, etc.

Because of these factors, I personally do not believe the healthcare industry can reform itself. It will take some regulatory guidance simply because the medical inflation is unsustainable in this country.

I believe that the government is inherently less efficient than business, and while it might a good idea and even necessary for parameters to be set by the government, that supervision needs to be minimal and relegated to the states as much as possible. Other than setting loose rules, they ought to get out of the healthcare industry.

What I don’t like about Obamacare is that the bill was not bipartisan. This is a major overhaul of the American medical industry. Not having bipartisan support is just not acceptable. And I especially do not like the government intrusion and lack of freedom.

The Supreme Court ruling is also something to argue about – Roberts says a mandate is unconstitutional, yet, he upholds the law as a tax and not a penalty. I don’t really see the difference.

Doing research at the outset until today, all I read over and over is this – Is this law good or bad? Is the Supreme Court decision a good one or a bad one? The response - It depends on your insurance and your political affiliation.

Yes, we knew when the IRS became involved it was going to be political. This fight is not over by a long shot.

Lastly, the troubling part is that the law has been changed by both Obama and Holder. Changed since the Supreme Court ruling. That means what we are being handed is NOT the original law, which makes me side with Rand Paul’s words - "The president’s been modifying his own plan over the last several months. Should Congress not be part of that? Some of us think it’s illegal for the president to do it without our authority.” He is right.

Jermyn Davidson 10-03-2013 10:04 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
DM,
While the majority of the Republican Party is white (male and female), throwing race into your point only obscures what (I think) you want everyone to see.

With that said, let there be no doubt in anyone's mind that if things were switched around, and it was a few democrats pulling this stunt while a Republican was President, everyone on FOX, and all the self-righteous conservatives that feed at FOX's trough would be just as upset as you are by the GOP idiots in the House that has taken our country hostage, politically speaking.

Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

Politics will take otherwise good Christian conservatives and turn them into hypocrites, politically speaking.

You have a valid point that can be made without bringing up the race of the people involved.

Unless...

You have two or more specific points you are trying to make.

May I suggest that if you do, make them plainly and in separate statements?

If you do, you will probably have at least one supporter on this thread.

Jermyn Davidson 10-03-2013 10:12 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasha (Post 1279930)
I thank God that I'm not southern white man....

If I were one, I'd hate to be a poor one.

I tell you what-- talk about a person that has hardly anyone serving as their "public advocate". The poor white man has no one to help him, to look out for him, to speak for him. He is the forgotten American demographic.

No one pays attention to him, until he decides to join the Aryan nation, kidnap and kill a couple of people and then everyone wants to get all self-righteous on him when NO ONE was there for him before he became a demon incarnate.

houston 10-03-2013 11:08 PM

Hmm. This thread should have been closed. Since when has it been ok to start a thread to attacking a fellow poster? Originalist should have used the report button.


Now, as to the accusation of political terrorism. Attaching "terrorism" to everything that you disagree with is, well, it's stupid. But that word evokes a response of our emotional sensibilities.

Esaias 10-03-2013 11:13 PM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
The idea that the Tea Party movement is a 'dwindling minority' is laughable.

The idea we have 'taken government hostage' is equally laughable.

Of course, the propaganda must be maintained at all times.

And if you stole something, and the rightful owner gets his hands on it and won't let you run off with it, I guess you'd think he was 'holding it hostage' too.

lol

Praxeas 10-04-2013 12:00 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasha (Post 1279930)
I thank God that I'm not southern white man....

I thank God that I'm not a Northern black woman.... :throwrock

RandyWayne 10-04-2013 12:09 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 1279955)
I thank God that I'm not a Northern black woman.... :throwrock

I thank God everyday I'm not an Irish Polock...... Oh wait.

Praxeas 10-04-2013 12:13 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 1279956)
I thank God everyday I'm not an Irish Polock...... Oh wait.

lol...hey we should protest the negative stereo typing of Irish as drunken brawlers. I saw Notre Dame should change it's name to "The Clover Leaves"

Rudy 10-04-2013 12:45 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
I hope these few words help. God and him alone rules in the kingdom of men. Nothing gets by him. He appoints authority.

Knowing this will calm the rage of secular politics, for it is God's business.

Originalist 10-04-2013 04:49 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1279945)
DM,
While the majority of the Republican Party is white (male and female), throwing race into your point only obscures what (I think) you want everyone to see.

With that said, let there be no doubt in anyone's mind that if things were switched around, and it was a few democrats pulling this stunt while a Republican was President, everyone on FOX, and all the self-righteous conservatives that feed at FOX's trough would be just as upset as you are by the GOP idiots in the House that has taken our country hostage, politically speaking.

Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

Politics will take otherwise good Christian conservatives and turn them into hypocrites, politically speaking.

You have a valid point that can be made without bringing up the race of the people involved.

Unless...

You have two or more specific points you are trying to make.

May I suggest that if you do, make them plainly and in separate statements?

If you do, you will probably have at least one supporter on this thread.


:thumbsup

Originalist 10-04-2013 05:47 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasha (Post 1279930)
I thank God that I'm not southern white man....

Had it not been for southern white men, there would not be a USA for you to enjoy now. Yes, they had faults, but they gave us a republic like the world has never known.

ILG 10-04-2013 08:00 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279874)
stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

Nobody does. But every race and color has political and economic terrorists.

odooley6985 10-04-2013 08:00 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
How about we get rid of the political talk sub forum? Nothing brings out more non christian attitudes than political discussion

Pressing-On 10-04-2013 08:44 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by odooley6985 (Post 1280001)
How about we get rid of the political talk sub forum? Nothing brings out more non christian attitudes than political discussion

I don't agree with shutting it down, but I do agree that we can become overly passionate about our views as Christians. I feel that if we vote, we also need to engage in the conversation/debate as well. Although, I respect the right of those that wish to vote only.

n david 10-04-2013 09:11 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1279945)
With that said, let there be no doubt in anyone's mind that if things were switched around, and it was a few democrats pulling this stunt while a Republican was President, everyone on FOX, and all the self-righteous conservatives that feed at FOX's trough would be just as upset as you are by the GOP idiots in the House that has taken our country hostage, politically speaking.

Jermyn, I realize both you and DM were probably drinking your momma's milk when this happened...

But I remember when Reagan was President. Reagan had a pet project, too. It wasn't healthcare; it was a missile defense system. In the early 80s, he wanted funding for a missile defense system; the Democrats, however, wanted to pass an expensive spending bill for jobs. The deadline passed and the Democrats shut down the government.

What happened?

Did Reagan run around making campaign-type speeches, accusing the Democrats of "holding a gun to the head of the American people?" Did Howard Baker, Ted Stevens, and Robert Michel run to the floor of the Senate/House and call the Democrats "anarchists," or say they were "waging jihad" on Americans? Did Reagan spend his days ignoring the Democrats, telling people he didn't need to negotiate, or giving interviews blaming Democrats for shutting down the government.

NO!

You know what Reagan did? He met with Tip O'neil, shelved his missile program, and Democrats dropped their spending bill. The very next year, Democrats shut down the government again. This time, Reagan and the Democrats compromised; the Dems got a large increase in education spending and Reagan got his missile program funded.

That's how it should work. It is absolutely the role of Congress to shut down the government, if need be. And it should be the role of the President to sit down with both sides and work out a compromise, regardless of his pet projects or personal pride.

Obama could end this in 5 minutes and get a massive bump in polls by doing one thing:

Bring the leaders back to the table, offer a one-year delay on obummercare, but in return Congress will need to approve a CR which will continue to fund the law.

This gives obummercare the funding Obama wants, and it also gives the Republicans a partial win as well.

This is what Reagan and Tip Oneil would have done, and this is what Obama and the Republicans should do.

n david 10-04-2013 09:15 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Let's remember, it was the Democrat leader Tip Oneil, in the late 70s, early 80s, who shut down the government TWELVE TIMES!

TWELVE TIMES

Five under Carter, seven under Reagan. Yet you never heard Republicans calling Oneil and the Democrats terrorists, anarchists, or jihadists. Nor did you have Carter or Reagan claiming that Oneil was holding a gun to the head of the American people.

Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Miller and the rest of the Democrats should be ashamed of their despicable rhetoric. Obama's the President -- he should act like one.

Originalist 10-04-2013 09:25 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
I once theorized that DM is actually a right wing extremist posing as a communist agitator. Well, I was right!! Here is a video of him passing out pro-Castro leaflets with an address of his CIA handler stamped right on the back!!

www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1F_G5ku7KM

n david 10-04-2013 09:31 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279845)
I am not speaking in a derogative manner about differences in race. I am identifying who is actually perpetuating political terrorism in america. everyone knows that southern christian whites make up 90 percent of the republican party. everyone one knows who is perpetuating political terrorism in america. there is nothing racist about stating the truth. you just can't handle the truth because it messes with your little paradigm.

It's offensive to equate terrorism with what the Republicans are doing. You would be just as upset if the Republicans accused obummer of terrorism. If you're not speaking in a derogatory manner against whites, then why even use the word "white." If you really don't mean to talk about differences in race, you shouldn't be using the word. Otherwise, it does become derogatory, bigoted, and racist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind (Post 1279874)
stop avoiding the issue PO. the question is, do you support political and economic terrorism to achieve policy goals?

It is NOT terrorism. Stop using the word. You're just as bad as that idiot Democrat Congressman Miller from CA who claimed the Republicans were "waging Jihad" against the American people. Shameful. Despicable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson (Post 1279945)
Am I the only one that remembers Hannity calling everyone who continued to publicly criticize Bush, "un-American" for doing so? If Hannity wasn't such a political hypocrite, he'd say the same things today-- but that is the evil side of politics.

I stopped listening to talk radio in 2005. I don't listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Levine, or any other talking heads. The problem is it's all political. They, like Congressmen, will praise their party for doing one thing when in power, then when the party is out of power, they'll complain about the Dems doing the very same thing. Of course, it's not just limited to conservatives or Republicans. Right now, the biggest talking head hypocrite is Chris Matthews. He was Tip Oneil's Chief of Staff during the Reagan years....when Oneil and the Dems shut down government SEVEN times! This hypocrite calls Sen. Cruz a terrorist for shutting down the govt, yet served under Oneil, who did it a total of TWELVE times!

So the talking heads of both parties are hypocrites and just political propagandists for their respective parties. All the right wing hosts care about is defeating the left; and all the left wing wants is for the right to lose.

Light 10-04-2013 10:18 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1279882)
DM, The Democrats and the MSM are using the same terminology they use when referencing Islamic extremists. I hope you don't think we are not ignorant as to their rhetoric. It is simply hate. But I get that as they tried to take God out of their platform at the Democratic Convention. Are you an atheist?

I don't know why you would purposely try to fan the flames of unrest that is already rising up in this country.

And I don't know why you would call Constitutional Conservatives, like myself, terrorists.

The pot calling the kettle black. Aren't you the one just a few weeks ago who ask someone if they were ready and willing to kill Americans if the didn't agree with your right wing agenda?

Esaias 10-04-2013 10:23 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
This is why I do not 'debate' with communists.

Light 10-04-2013 10:28 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1280009)
I don't agree with shutting it down, but I do agree that we can become overly passionate about our views as Christians. I feel that if we vote, we also need to engage in the conversation/debate as well. Although, I respect the right of those that wish to vote only.

Are you still of the belief that you need to be ready to kill Americans if they don't agree with conservative view pont?

Pressing-On 10-04-2013 10:31 AM

Re: Moderators, I bring a charge of racism
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Light (Post 1280053)
Are you still of the belief that you need to be ready to kill Americans if they don't agree with conservative view pont?

Was I ever of that belief - murder?


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